The Holocaust and the missing missing Jews.

[Hektor]

Concerning war losses most nations have at two categories of losses. One for military losses, one for civilian losses. There is another subdivision for this with two categories one for dead one for missing. If one considers Germany for example, the military losses would be soldiers killed in action and soldiers missing in action. Prisoners will have a similar subdivision. For civilians there will be a category killed and a category missing. The figures for this can be in the millions each.

For some strange reason this isn't the case for Jews. There is only one category 'killed', supposedly mostly in gas chambers in extermination camps. There is no category 'missing'. Or there is nobody in that category 'missing'. The figure is never given.
There is no table for Jews that would look like this:
Jews: missing: XYZ killed: XYZ.

What that means is that any missing Jews (neither confirmed killed nor confirmed survivors) were simply considered 'killed by the Nazis'. That is however astonishing, since any other nations would have a category for 'people missing'. For Germany those were at least 2.000.000 still in the 1990s. But for Jews no category, no number seems to have ever existed.
And well, there were records for Jews that were deported. Those would simply considered to be missing, unless there whereabouts could be confirmed. But no, they are considered to have been killed, usually in a gas chamber in some concentration or transit camp.
The only Jews considered to be dead (in concentration camps) should be those that were in the Death Books. But that was not how it was done.

This is actually more than strange. It's also strange that nobody seems to have ever noticed this. That missing Jews figures were missing since the end of World War Two.
In fact this should immediately raise the alarm bells that there must be something seriously wrong with the death numbers. Where are the figures for 'Jews missing in World War Two'?

[Waldgänger]

What that means is that any missing Jews (neither confirmed killed nor confirmed survivors) were simply considered 'killed by the Nazis'. That is however astonishing, since any other nations would have a category for 'people missing'.

It's despicable special pleading, a consequence of the fact that the main Holocaust claims are entirely Soviet propaganda, which Western Allies gladly accepted as fact after their own WW1 corpse factory lies were not enthusiastically received. I no longer have any time for the mainstream narrative. It has proved over and over that it is pushing a political agenda. It is historiographically bankrupt if it cannot recognise this one basic divergence of methodology with ALL other historical scholarship.

[borjastick]

What you have to understand is that between 1933 and 1945 no jew ever died of natural causes. No old age deaths, no accidental deaths, no heart failure deaths and no cancer or otherwise deaths. Not one jew of the 900,000 expected to have died from normal causes in that period, died that way. Every jew who died in that time died from the evil hand of the Nazis.

[Hektor]

What you have to understand is that between 1933 and 1945 no jew ever died of natural causes. No old age deaths, no accidental deaths, no heart failure deaths and no cancer or otherwise deaths. Not one jew of the 900,000 expected to have died from normal causes in that period, died that way. Every jew who died in that time died from the evil hand of the Nazis.

Indeed how that is spun. I saw that they got the socalled "Stolpersteine" in Germany. E.g. for people that were deported and 'never returned'. It's a Gesslerhut of course. Digging into it that, if there is any report on death at all, it is frequently obviously of 'natural causes' like old age. I take it that the life expectancy than must have been a bit lower than today and under war time conditions, tension and other problems it will actually go up.

What that means is that any missing Jews (neither confirmed killed nor confirmed survivors) were simply considered 'killed by the Nazis'. That is however astonishing, since any other nations would have a category for 'people missing'.

It's despicable special pleading, a consequence of the fact that the main Holocaust claims are entirely Soviet propaganda, which Western Allies gladly accepted as fact after their own WW1 corpse factory lies were not enthusiastically received. I no longer have any time for the mainstream narrative. It has proved over and over that it is pushing a political agenda. It is historiographically bankrupt if it cannot recognise this one basic divergence of methodology with ALL other historical scholarship.

One has to take it as a hypothesis, of course. But just because a hypothesis exists doesn't mean that it got any merits altogether. The Extermination by gassing hypothesis is of course a construction from circumstantial findings that I don't dismiss out of hand (as the Holocaustians do with any hypothesis alternative to theirs). It essentially is constructed out of the following:
- National Socialists were Antisemites.
- They had legislation and measures with regards to Jews.
- They did deport a larger number of Jews.
- They did keep some of them in concentration camps.
- There was some mortality in those camps.
- There were facilities in those camps, E.G.:
-- Shower Rooms
-- Delousing gas chambers
-- Crematoria
- There was Zyklon B delivered to the gas chambers.
- While there are apparently millions of Holocaust survivors, it isn't known what happened to the Jews of Europe in all cases.


From this they construct the following narrative. "Hitler hated the Jews, he planned to conquer the world and to exterminate all the Jews in the process. That's why he set up concentration camps and why he had homicidal gas chambers in them to kill the Jews and crematoria to make the corpses vanish after any gassing. During World War Two he instructed especially the SS to deport batches of thousands of Jews to concentration camps like Auschwitz. There they were unloaded and brought to the crematoria where they were first to undress (in what is actually morgues or corpse processing rooms) and then brought to rooms that looked like shower rooms (Never mind that this is all in the basement, which got its own problems). When the Jews (1000 to 3000 of them) were all in the supposed shower room. This was locked. Then an SS men opened the hatches of the room in the basement (which was actually a morgue) and threw the content of Zyklon B into it (There is the story with Kula columns added to it, which serves as a copout for various problems with the claimed procedures). After 10 minutes or so. All the Jews were killed by the HCN in the Zyklon B. After half an hour they sent in the Sonderkommando, which removed to corpses from the room and transported them via a lift (which was rather tiny) onto ground level were the Krema muffles were. There were 15 muffles in Krema II and Krema III respectively. 1000 to 3000 were cremated in those 15 muffles within 24 hours. 100.000s of Jews were cremated in each of the crematoria within a period of less than 20 month.

They didn't really bother to do a thorough forensic investigation on this or check the claimed procedure for plausibility, practicability, feasibility. They simply made use of testimony of 'former Sonderkommando' or captured camp staff like Rudolf Hoess. It doesn't matter how adventurous those stories are. They are presumed to be true. It's irrelevant that the stories are irrational and crazy, after all Hitler and millions of Nazis were 'irrational and crazy'. If you doubt the testimony and the narrative as such, you of course must be a "NAZITHATWANTSTOGUESSSIXMILLIONJEWS". Good people believe the Holocaust and even better people defend it with their academic accomplishments.

Once the components of the narrative get demolished one by one and the Holocaust Believer realize that he actually doesn't have remotely sufficient evidence for the claims he believes, he will turn to another cop out. He will ask something like the six million Jews were not gassed", "Where did they go?". That sounds clever, doesn't it? It is however more than foolish in many ways. What it does is to take a presumed present state and insinuate that this state somehow proves that his hypothesis must be right.

It's like saying. If Santa did not bring them, why are their presents under the Christmas tree. In this case there is of course a generally known answer that Mom and Dad did procure, package and place them there as a surprise to the kids.

And well, any phenomena they can get hold of gets 'evidence for the hypothesis' then. "The camps had pallets full of Zyklon B cans"? "See, this proves that the homicidal gassing testimony is true"... Any alternative explanation on what actually happened must be dismissed and ridiculed.

Now take the following points:
* The National Socialists rejected Jews, because they were a foreign element in Germany that started to become more obnoxious after world war one.
* When they took over. A mud campaign organized by Jews in other countries was run.
* They stepped up legislation and measures towards Jews.
* That was used as further fuel for the Anti-German campaign.
* NS-Germany was also accused of 'plotting war of conquest'. While the actual reason for German demands were getting back what has been taken from Germany after World War One.
* During 1939 the tension between Germany and the core of the later Axis countries rose.
* The Poles got a 'guarantee' by the British, which was one-sidedly directed against Germany.
* When the tension with the Poles could not be resolved diplomatically, Germany invaded Poland.
* That was an excuse By Britain and France as well as British Dominions to declare war on Germany.
* In occupied Poland Ghettos were erected.
* Since the war persisted other Countries with Jews were occupied.
* After the Invasion of Soviet-Occupied territory, more Jews came under German/Axis control.
* Jews were to be 'transported to the East' from 1942 onwards.
* Some Jews were interned in concentration camps.
* Other Jews were to be placed with labor camps all over German and occupied territory.
* There were epidemics like typhus/typhoid in many fo the camps.
* Crematoria and Hygiene facilities like showers and delousing gas chambers were set up.
* Rumors were spread by the media in Allied countries. It isn't clear what the sources where there.
* Conditions worsened for Germany, food was rationed and the conditions in the camps worsened as well.
* Inmates from Eastern Camps were evacuated towards Western camps.
* There were issues during the transport, since infrastructure was bombed, trains and trucks attacked by Allied air force.
* Conditions in the camps worsened with overcrowding and further economic collapse
* Camp administrators tried to supply the camps with food and necessities under great difficulties.
* People in the camps got diseases and some prisoners starved.
* There were however also prisoners that were clearly well-fed.
* When Allies psychological warfare units got to the camps they made a big show of it.
* A Narrative of "Nazi Atrocities" and "Extermination" was created. In the beginning Jews were just a part of it.
* Since Jews were transported to the East and were leaving Europe after WW2. The best explanation of where did they go is indeed "Elsewhere".


The missing of 'missing Jews' still needs an explanation.
The best explanation is that all Jews that would otherwise be declared missing were simply declared dead, 'Nazi victims' that were 'gassed in Auschwitz'. Proof? Not really, but perhaps a deportation notice. It was of course useful for interested parties to make the Jews believe their relatives were all gassed, especially when you wanted to motivate them to move to Palestine. Believing you lost your relatives will also be an incentive not to search for them (like most other people with missing relatives did do after World War Two). A real multi-purpose psy-op it turns out.

"But that is a conspiracy theory!" - Really? What do you think your Hitler-gassed-six-million-Jews narrative is?

[Hieldner]

Where are the figures for 'Jews missing in World War Two'?

Good question. In fact, great question! I don’t think this has been addressed by revisionists at all.

What that means is that any missing Jews (neither confirmed killed nor confirmed survivors) were simply considered 'killed by the Nazis'.

There’s a bit more to this story.

First, in the Yad Vashem Shoah Names Database there are about 1 million entries with fate = not stated or fate = perished (select Victim’s fate = other in advanced search) vs. over 5 million with fate = murdered vs. 436.000 actually listed on deportation lists. But nobody takes that database seriously anyway.

Then there’s the article Malka, T.D. (2021). “Missing persons and World War II: Between personal and national loss.” War in History, 29, 641–663. The author says there was an “unknown” number of missing Jews after WW2. The article provides a good overview and references for further inquiry. Many of those are relatively new, so the issue seems to be unexplored by the Holocaustians as well. One of the older sources is The Tracing of Missing Persons in Germany on an International Scale with Particular Reference to the Problem of U.N.R.R.A (1945) https://digital-library.arolsen-archives.org/content/titleinfo/7275809, freely available online. In that document, we find the following interesting listing

with 3 million people from Poland categorized as missing . I think we all wondered were those went . It doesn’t explicitly say they’re Jewish, but Jews fall in all the categories listed below the table. And in 1950 there was a UN meeting organized by the World Jewish Congress to pass a convention on the Declaration of Death of Missing Persons after 5 years. You can get a certified true copy here https://treaties.un.org/Pages/Treaties.aspx?id=15&subid=A&lang=en. So that’s the moment when the Holocaust “happened.” At least that’s my suspicion, one would have to find out which nationalities are actually included in the numbers above.

[Hektor]

Where are the figures for 'Jews missing in World War Two'?

Good question. In fact, great question! I don’t think this has been addressed by revisionists at all.

What that means is that any missing Jews (neither confirmed killed nor confirmed survivors) were simply considered 'killed by the Nazis'.

There’s a bit more to this story.

First, in the Yad Vashem Shoah Names Database there are about 1 million entries with fate = not stated or fate = perished (select Victim’s fate = other in advanced search) vs. over 5 million with fate = murdered vs. 436.000 actually listed on deportation lists. But nobody takes that database seriously anyway.

Then there’s the article Malka, T.D. (2021). “Missing persons and World War II: Between personal and national loss.” War in History, 29, 641–663. The author says there was an “unknown” number of missing Jews after WW2. The article provides a good overview and references for further inquiry. Many of those are relatively new, so the issue seems to be unexplored by the Holocaustians as well. One of the older sources is The Tracing of Missing Persons in Germany on an International Scale with Particular Reference to the Problem of U.N.R.R.A (1945) https://digital-library.arolsen-archives.org/content/titleinfo/7275809, freely available online. In that document, we find the following interesting listing
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I'm not interested into recent materials here. The YV database was merely an attempt to show: Look we have proof for gassed Jews. Needless to say that in terms of empirical evidence, it was an utter failure.

What I am looking for is the 'missing Jews' searches right after WW2. Something the Red Cross or other humanitarian organizations would be doing. It would also enter some statistics. Alternatively National services may work with 'missing people' and this could also include Jews. That's if missing Jews weren't dismissed on default as 'gassed in Auschwitz' (OSLT).

But it seems they were. Still, then one must ask what the evidence was to confirm the death of a person. How was that assessed? Or was that blanket declaration as in "If Jews were deported, they must have been gassed'. But there were deported Jews that were still alive after WW2 in fact plenty of them.