Gold-filled teeth in the Merkers Mine

[Carto's Cutlass Supreme]

Perhaps.
A secret government disinformation group giving info to a lawyer, maybe isn't that far from giving info to clergy, congressman and reporters (who toured Buchenwald)

Merkers was within days of Buchenwald and same day as Ohrdruf I think.

[Hektor]

There is Nuremberg Trial dialog about this. Similar to Dodd presenting a Psyche Warfare shrunken head, is Dodd tainting the Nuremberg Trial with more planted evidence? Did Dodd know it was Psyche warfare plants? Did Dodd know and go with it, or did Dodd not know and really thought this was discovered evidence. Funk makes a puissant point: that the Reichsbank wasn't in the business of melting down gold. Banks take money deposits. Similarly eyeglass frames: you don't deposit those in a bank. That's typical dumb thinking on the part of Psyche Warfare:
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Difficult to read Dodd. If he knew I'd actually expected him to brag about this to his wife in private letters. On the other hand that may also be too much of a bold statement. Perfectly plausible that Dodd wanted his Wife (and children) believe that he 'was fighting for justice' against them evil Nazis. Although I admit, there was probably more than enough mass hysteria at the time that pretty many otherwise sober, rational people would start believing stuff, they otherwise wouldn't. And it was convenient, since it spared Americans a debate over their engagement in the European theater. Such debates were postponed to Vietnam-War it seems. While that "Pacifism" actually went down the drain again, it seems.

Here is some footage ascribed to the Merkers Mine:


I'm listening to the Funk interrogation and it is actually very interesting. Funk was a bit sickly at the time then, but he's taking a sober, rational stand towards Dodd. Interestingly it seems the stand in for a judge did perpetually interrupt Funk, when his defense counsel was interrogating him.

There is rumors about Funk on the wiki page. But then there are rumors about many folks that were a 'name' in NS-Germany.

The footage appears to be an equivalent to the parts of the Auschwitz film done by the Soviets, since it reminds a bit of the scenes with the angora-rabbit hair bags. And the piles of shoes.

Indeed there is quite a lot of Nuremberg recordings on youtube right now. But I'm wondering for how long this will be... Given that a lot is actually "Holocaust Denial". And yes, there isn't only material for the dealing with WW2 and Holocaust. Lots on the internal workings in NS-Germany at the time is revealed as well.

My guess is that the recordings would do very well as part of a new documentary video given that stuff comes there from the horses mouth. Problem is only that most is in the person speaking's language. IOW: German, English, Russian, French and I think occasionally Polish and others.


Reflecting on this I wonder how anybody could actually believe that in Nuremberg any of the accusations was properly proven.

[hermod]

Difficult to read Dodd. If he knew I'd actually expected him to brag about this to his wife in private letters. On the other hand that may also be too much of a bold statement. Perfectly plausible that Dodd wanted his Wife (and children) believe that he 'was fighting for justice' against them evil Nazis. Although I admit, there was probably more than enough mass hysteria at the time that pretty many otherwise sober, rational people would start believing stuff, they otherwise wouldn't.

Anyway, if Dodd had bragged about it to his wife in private letters, I wouldn't have expected his son (who had his father's letters published after the Nuremberg show trials and who was a U.S. senator) or any other American "patriot" (who would have been called a Nazi apologist and an anti-Semite for publicizing such things) to let letters tarnishing America's one and only "good war" see daylight in post-WWII America.

[cold beer]

Oh, I see, so the claim is that they took the entire tooth & kept it in that state rather than crushing the tooth & smelting it for the gold.
Nice of the Germans to be so thoughtful as to leave that sort of evidence lying around.

It's Patton that spread the story of the tooth fillings:

"All the articles," he noted, "had been flattened by hammer blows, obviously to save storage space, and then merely thrown into the receptacle, apparently pending an opportunity to melt them down into gold or silver bars." Later Patton would write that he saw "a number of suitcases filled with jewelry, such as silver and gold cigarette cases, wrist-watch cases, spoons, forks, vases, gold-filled teeth, false teeth, etc." acquired by "bandit methods."
http://www.archives.gov/publications/pr ... asure.html

and Bernard Bernstein:

All that treasure was very securely guarded. The more than 200 battered valises and bags filled with the valuables taken from the concentration camp victims were kept in a separate vault of the Reichsbank which had strong wirework so that anyone from the outside of the vault could see anyone who was on the inside of the vault. No one was allowed on the inside other than myself, and I could go into the vault only when other officers and American civilian visitors were present and were watching me.

When American officials and other prominent American visitors came to the Frankfort Reichsbank, I took them on a tour and told them some of the stories of the treasures. I would go into this caged area alone and open up some of the valises to show the eyeglass frames, wedding rings and the melted down pieces of gold from the gold fillings and so on. Nothing was ever taken from the treasures while it was under my control.

Keeping gold fillings and gold rings in original state? Not believable, since they would have been molten down immediately to get the gold content.
Tooth filling pictures are never shown. Quite popular is the gold rings photo:

Two stories though. One is found in Buchenwald, the other is found in Merkers mine Heilbronn:
http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/pictur ... lames.html
http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news- ... to/1507801

My suspicion: Wedding rings taken from German soldiers and collected.
http://documents.routledge-interactive. ... 2/Ch12.pdf

Many of those supposed wedding rings look like two rings formed together. For example look at the rings in his left hand near his index finger. I suspect that they might be some type of compression ring.

[Hektor]

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My suspicion: Wedding rings taken from German soldiers and collected.
http://documents.routledge-interactive. ... 2/Ch12.pdf

Many of those supposed wedding rings look like two rings formed together. For example look at the rings in his left hand near his index finger. I suspect that they might be some type of compression ring.[/quote]

The thing is.: You can let anything look like 'wedding rings' or 'tooth-fillings' in a black and white video..

But even if those were "wedding rings"... There is nothing sinister about this, neither. It's a a business. And as for tooth fillings. I suppose that those were recycled as well. Given that they contained scarce commodities.
If you have to grasp to that kind of trickery to make people believe into a mass-extermination program involving gas chambers. You probably don't have much to support the later.

Difficult to read Dodd. If he knew I'd actually expected him to brag about this to his wife in private letters. On the other hand that may also be too much of a bold statement. Perfectly plausible that Dodd wanted his Wife (and children) believe that he 'was fighting for justice' against them evil Nazis. Although I admit, there was probably more than enough mass hysteria at the time that pretty many otherwise sober, rational people would start believing stuff, they otherwise wouldn't.

Anyway, if Dodd had bragged about it to his wife in private letters, I wouldn't have expected his son (who had his father's letters published after the Nuremberg show trials and who was a U.S. senator) or any other American "patriot" (who would have been called a Nazi apologist and an anti-Semite for publicizing such things) to let letters tarnishing America's one and only "good war" see daylight in post-WWII America.

Dodd Jr. probably didn't realize the explosive potential in some of those letters. He probably believed that everything was fine with the trial and that his dad was a righteous man (no doubt, he was self-righteous, though). Noticed this with Americans several times. They simply can't see, when there is a problem with the narrative. But their 'moral victory' during WW2 is the legitimation for US-imperialism (and unequivocal support of 'Israel') right now. So they obviously need to maintain the Myth. And I guess it's pushed in the American cultural Industry not only via movies. The Cultural Industry does provide the clues, trigger words and subjects that will be discussed at the dinner table though. E.g. imagine a family/circle of friends having watched "Holocaust" and then some movie on WW2 with the 'Nuremberg Trial'. Most people are dimwits not really interested in primary research. So they take what's provided (and suggested) for granted and in their mind they will form the idea that "Nazism was pure evil" and that America was heroic to fight them Germans till the bitter end, because this was a fight between 'good and evil'. From debates (unrelated to revisionism) I recall how quick Americans jump on the stage, when one points out to the genocidal bombing of German towns and cities.


With the atrocious mode of warfare the Americans performed against Germany, sure there was a need to paint the enemy as the peak of all evil in history. Best of all, if you can transform the results of your own crimes into 'proof' of 'Nazi atrocities' you are clapping two flies with one move.

And I suspect there are several cases of this within the "Nazi atrocity" documentation given by the Allies, especially Americans. Well, the Death Train in Dachau is more than just suspicion.

[hermod]

Anyway, if Dodd had bragged about it to his wife in private letters, I wouldn't have expected his son (who had his father's letters published after the Nuremberg show trials and who was a U.S. senator) or any other American "patriot" (who would have been called a Nazi apologist and an anti-Semite for publicizing such things) to let letters tarnishing America's one and only "good war" see daylight in post-WWII America.

Dodd Jr. probably didn't realize the explosive potential in some of those letters. He probably believed that everything was fine with the trial and that his dad was a righteous man (no doubt, he was self-righteous, though).

Was anything explosive in Dodd's published letters (except for the admission that 75% of the staff at the Nuremberg show trials was Jewish)???

Noticed this with Americans several times. They simply can't see, when there is a problem with the narrative. But their 'moral victory' during WW2 is the legitimation for US-imperialism (and unequivocal support of 'Israel') right now. So they obviously need to maintain the Myth. And I guess it's pushed in the American cultural Industry not only via movies. The Cultural Industry does provide the clues, trigger words and subjects that will be discussed at the dinner table though. E.g. imagine a family/circle of friends having watched "Holocaust" and then some movie on WW2 with the 'Nuremberg Trial'. Most people are dimwits not really interested in primary research. So they take what's provided (and suggested) for granted and in their mind they will form the idea that "Nazism was pure evil" and that America was heroic to fight them Germans till the bitter end, because this was a fight between 'good and evil'. From debates (unrelated to revisionism) I recall how quick Americans jump on the stage, when one points out to the genocidal bombing of German towns and cities.

Anything weakening the WWII Allies' manufactured moral high ground and the Jews' right to grab Palestine is revisionism, Hek!! Deborah Lipstadt called that kind of Holocaust denial "immoral equivalencies"...

False equivalence and effect
Denialist focus on Allied war crimes
The focus on so-called Allied atrocities during the war has been a theme in Holocaust denial literature, particularly in countries where outright denial of the Holocaust is illegal.[107] According to historian Deborah Lipstadt, the concept of "comparable Allied wrongs", such as the expulsion of Germans after World War II and the bombing of Dresden,[108] is at the center of, and a continuously repeated theme of, contemporary Holocaust denial; a phenomenon she calls "immoral equivalencies".[109] Pierre Vidal-Naquet pointed out the same phenomenon in the earlier version of Les Assassins de la mémoire under the title Auschwitz et le tiers monde (Les Assassins de la mémoire, Paris, 2005, pp. 170–180), and accurately about the declarations of Klaus Barbie's lawyer Jacques Vergès. In 1977, Martin Broszat, in a review of David Irving's book Hitler's War, maintained that the picture of World War II drawn by Irving was done in a such way to imply moral equivalence between the actions of the Axis and Allied states with both sides equally guilty of terrible crimes, leading to Hitler's "fanatical, destructive will to annihilate" being downgraded to being "no longer an exceptional phenomenon".[110]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_denial

With the atrocious mode of warfare the Americans performed against Germany, sure there was a need to paint the enemy as the peak of all evil in history. Best of all, if you can transform the results of your own crimes into 'proof' of 'Nazi atrocities' you are clapping two flies with one move.

And I suspect there are several cases of this within the "Nazi atrocity" documentation given by the Allies, especially Americans. Well, the Death Train in Dachau is more than just suspicion.

The whole Nazi atrocity documentation came from that trick. The horror pictures of the health disaster brought about by the Allied bombing policy in the last operational concentration camps of the collapsing Third Reich documented the Holocaust beyond most people's evidentiary standards regarding a hated enemy. Devastating 2 and a half cities a month could of course lead nowhere else. That's just what "total collaspe " looks like. The reason why mainstream mass media rarely mention that aerial devastation of Germany...

https://postimg.cc/KKDsyf7Z

https://postimg.cc/zLWSmFhx

https://postimg.cc/FdC2WRdp

[cold beer]

The thing is.: You can let anything look like 'wedding rings' or 'tooth-fillings' in a black and white video..

But even if those were "wedding rings"... There is nothing sinister about this, neither. It's a a business. And as for tooth fillings. I suppose that those were recycled as well. Given that they contained scarce commodities.
If you have to grasp to that kind of trickery to make people believe into a mass-extermination program involving gas chambers. You probably don't have much to support the later.

I agree 100%. It doesnt matter whether they are or aren't wedding bands, it demonstrates nothing. They could have came from anywhere. The Red Army could have easily collected large numbers of rings as they overran Europe. But I was still compelled to point out the possibility that they arent wedding bands.
As far as sacks of teeth with gold fillings...blue prints that I've see of kremas 2&3 indicate an oven for melting gold in a room near the gas chamber. So apparently the Germans couldn't get everyone on the same page in regard to this scheme.

[hermod]

I agree 100%. It doesnt matter whether they are or aren't wedding bands, it demonstrates nothing. They could have came from anywhere. The Red Army could have easily collected large numbers of rings as they overran Europe. But I was still compelled to point out the possibility that they arent wedding bands.

Anyway, one can't expect the Germans to waste the gold (dental fillings, wedding rings, jewels) confiscated from the deportees and collected from those who had died of typhus and other diseases. World wars are all about fighting against waste.

[Hektor]

The thing is.: You can let anything look like 'wedding rings' or 'tooth-fillings' in a black and white video..

But even if those were "wedding rings"... There is nothing sinister about this, neither. It's a a business. And as for tooth fillings. I suppose that those were recycled as well. Given that they contained scarce commodities.
If you have to grasp to that kind of trickery to make people believe into a mass-extermination program involving gas chambers. You probably don't have much to support the later.

I agree 100%. It doesnt matter whether they are or aren't wedding bands, it demonstrates nothing. They could have came from anywhere. The Red Army could have easily collected large numbers of rings as they overran Europe. But I was still compelled to point out the possibility that they arent wedding bands.
As far as sacks of teeth with gold fillings...blue prints that I've see of kremas 2&3 indicate an oven for melting gold in a room near the gas chamber. So apparently the Germans couldn't get everyone on the same page in regard to this scheme.

It's similar with the stuff they put on the Buchenwald table. If you take a closer look, some is simply residential furniture, stuff from the anatomy department, stuff from the anthropology department, which leads me to the suspicion that they robbed a university not so long ago.

The same routine of suggestive displays can be repeated elsewhere as well. One needs to bear in mind who was all involved there OSS, OWI, Psychological Warfare Division. And it is reasonably to assume that they had something cooked out for the Krauts already a while ago. It really would be surprising, if they hadn't. And lots of what they photographed wasn't "just there", while some of it can of course be circumstantial.

Concerning the Red Army, what they presented looks far well organized much more blunt and sloppy. Doesn't mean that the Soviet Union did not have far more professional units when it came to forgery and deception. The thing is that they did not need to be too deceptive, because everyone was forced to believe what they said anyone. For the Americans the matter was more fragile. Their audience could 'change their mind' and also 'speak out against' what they were asserting. And it was a potentially more critical, more intelligent, more educated audience as well. Still they slipped up occasionally. Usually by overdoing it. But shock and awe can compensate for this.

One also needs to ask what the Merker's Mine Movie is supposed to prove anyway. Now assume you would have found assets and items. Wouldn't you rather take photos and compile a report on this? The movie serves clearly another purpose, besides documentation.

And yes, I think any gold collected from crema and cemeteries would be processed, when the corpses were worked upon by a pathologist. And well, I do believe that they did manage scarce resources in some way. And this is actually done nowadays as well. Just that nobody gives a rats ass about it. And I guess at the time, some people would be aware about this as well. But that's not a problem for a propagandist. They want people debating this in social settings and they also want to get people angry about it. The other thing is traumatizing the more kindhearted folks... All to create an atmosphere where they then can 'establish a new truth'.

This is actually something that cults and priesthoods do engage in. Fear and Wonder, Shock and Awe, controversy and then establish a belief system with the bigger audience overt time. What with different in the 1940s was that during that era newspapers, radio and especially movie was available as a means of distributing information. Especially movies must have made a big impact during a time, when this was still a new and scarce technology, given that TV didn't exist yet, then. People definitely were easier to impress with this, than it would be today.