Holocaust revisionism banned in Russia

[Scotsman]

http://news.yahoo.com/russias-putin-out ... ector.html

Russian President Vladimir Putin signed a law on Monday making the denial of Nazi crimes and distortion of the Soviet Union's role in the World War Two a criminal offence punishable by up to five years in jail.

A disappointing move, naturally. Could this possibly have negative consequences for those that have to visit Russian archives for various Nazi documents?

[Gary Freeman]

It's hard to believe that laws against revisionism can increase, while at the same time popularity in revisionism is increasing world-wide. However, this seems to be the case. With such laws going into affect in so many countries while popularity in revisionism is on the rise, this will no doubt increase how often revisionists are talked about in the news--increase in imprisonment, and an increase in fines (many of which will be publicized). All the while curiosity increases, and tools that allow people to hide their IP address, and proxy threw countries where revisionism is legal, are becoming increasingly common and easy to use.

It will be interesting to see what happens as an end result. I think we will see at least a couple countries feel forced to repeal such laws in the near future. (I hope I'm right about that)

[Hektor]

This is of course very disappointing. But may be this will even fuel Revisionism in Russia?
I take it that Eastern Europeans are more eager to challenge something like then those in the West.

We have a vague idea what "Holocaust Denial" is supposed to mean. But what about "distortion of the Soviet Union's role in the World War Two"?

I'm just thinking, has anyone analyse the comments to this yahoo-item?

[Scotsman]

I take it that Eastern Europeans are more eager to challenge something like then those in the West.

Maybe some of the non-Soviet combloc, but in Russia itself and most former USSR countries questioning the 'Soviets saved the day' narrative is still very taboo.

[hermod]

We have a vague idea what "Holocaust Denial" is supposed to mean. But what about "distortion of the Soviet Union's role in the World War Two"?

I suppose it means that it's forbidden to say the German invasion of the Soviet Union was just a preventive strike intended to prevent Uncle Joe's tanks from rolling over Central and Western Europe. Even if it's what it was in reality...

Maybe it also means it's better not to speak of the very, very numerous and brutal rapes perpetrated by the Soviet troops during WW2.

[EtienneSC]

According to one report:

The new law would ban "wittingly spreading false information about the activity of the USSR during the years of World War Two".

If the same rule applied to revisionism, this would mean that any prosecutor would have to prove that someone spreading revisionist information knew that it was false, or had no good reason to believe it was true.

[astro3]

Holland seems now the only central European nation where H-D is not a crime. Wiki says the Netherlands has a H-D law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_again ... ust_denial) but then adds: "While Holocaust denial is not explicitly illegal in the Netherlands, the courts consider it a form of spreading hatred and therefore an offence" - so its not banned there. Holland has a great tradition of tolerance.

Further South, Croatia, Spain, Italy and Greece have no H-D laws, nor have more northern countries, Norway Sweden and the UK.

Perhaps a country has to be some distance from Poland not to have a H-D law.

[Hannover]

From the CODOH main site we have this article on the anti-free speech Russian law regarding WWII and how it could very well blow up in Russia's face.
http://codoh.com/news/3282/

Russia criminalizes “Holocaust Denial”

Very sadly, Russian leader Putin has signed into law a bill that outlaws “Holocaust denial.” I don’t mean to “beat a dead horse,” but as I pointed out in my Inconvenient History essay, “The Non-Jewish Stake in the Holocaust Mythology,” the Russian government has a vested interest in promoting the Holocaust ideology, and the latter will continue to survive and thrive as long as this is so. Although Russia supplies and backs Israel’s enemies, on the issue of the Holocaust mythology there is convergence of interests between International Jewish Zionism and Israel on the one hand, and the Russian government on the other hand.

Go to http://news.yahoo.com/russias-putin-out ... -161442992–sector.html

However, Russia’s outlawing of “Holocaust denial” may have a different effect upon those Eastern European peoples that are currently in conflict with Russia and who backed the Germans during WWII. Russia’s criminalization of Holocaust Revisionism could spark in these anti-Russian ethnic groups a renewed interest in debunking the Holocaust, as the latter may correctly see that the nefarious Holocaust ideology is simply an ideological weapon of their main enemy, the Russian government. So, why shouldn’t these anti-Russian ethnic groups debunk an ideology that is used against their people and county???

The 'holocaust' storyline is one of the most easily debunked narratives ever contrived. That is why those who debunk it are arrested and persecuted.
Clearly, the tide is turning.

- Hannover

[Lamprecht]

Apparently not:

Holohoax Denial Is Not Illegal in Russia, Contrary to Many News Reports
https://archive.is/wip/SYECy or https://russia-insider.com/en/history/h ... ts/ri27711

If you google 'holocaust denial Russia', you will find several news headlines claiming it is illegal, and a Wikipedia article saying the same thing. But it's not. This article explains where the disinformation is coming from and points out that Russia is much more free than the West in re-examining history.

It should be noted that Juergen Graf lives and works in Moscow as a translator, according to Wikipedia anyway.
So, I guess they are not too worried about it. He fled Switzerland after being charged with some "racism" law I guess.

[forasanerworld]

"Although Russia supplies and backs Israel’s enemies"

But never enough to actually do it any damage; consider a triangular arrangement, Moscow, Israel and not so much the US as "Washington",

"Monday, April 25, 2011
An American Jew Named Jack Bernstein Authors A Book Exposing The House Of Rothschilds' Control Over Israel & Is Then Murdered By Mossad For Doing So
http://9-11themotherofallblackoperations.blogspot.com/2011/04/israels-communist-ideology-its-racist.html

The concept certainly fits with that of British Chritopher Story dec.