The Bombing of Budapest

[Friedrich Paul Berg]

The following appears on my website column right:

The unbearable Truth for Americans, Brits and Jews

Before anyone blames the Germans for the horrors of Belsen and other German camps, they should look at themselves in the mirror. The Americans, Brits and Jews were the real monsters. After their humiliating military defeat in France in 1940, it was obvious that British soldiers and generals were pathetic compared to the Germans, especially Germans led by their enormously popular and brilliant leader—Adolf Hitler. That became obvious to Americans as well regarding American soldiers and generals compared to the Germans. So, what to do? Well, why not do what depraved cowards often do? Kill enemy civilians instead. Murder as many German women and children as you possibly can, turn entire cities into crematory ovens, and destroy everything needed to sustain life. The horrors of Belsen and other camps by the end of the war are the only persuasive evidence for the so-called “holocaust”—but those true horrors were the handiwork of the Americans and Brits and Jews.

The Germans and Nazis had kept camp inmates alive and healthy, including Jews, as best they could. No one had been gassed. Americans and Brits with enthusiastic support from their Jewish masses had tried to turn all of Germany and much of Europe into a kind of Bergen-Belsen for years. By the Spring of 1945, they succeeded. Such a surprise, already! That those same cowardly monsters deny all responsibility for Belsen is hardly surprising. Were they about to suddenly stand up like heroes and admit they had done anything wrong? Tell the truth for a change? Of course, not! To this day, they blame the Germans for what they had done all by themselves. They should pray there is no God.

In 1978 I met a young Hungarian man who had survived the American bombing of Budapest about which I had not known anything. He assured me that Budapest had indeed been bombed by the Americans—and that the American bomber crews were “extremely cowardly” because they deliberately avoided the small, but heavily defended, military targets and bombed the vast, undefended, residential areas of Budapest instead. Some of the American bombers were shot down, however, and some bomber crewmen managed to parachute to the ground. Local Hungarians killed many as soon as they hit the ground but others were rescued by Hungarian gendarmes who took them to POW camps. My Hungarian acquaintance insisted that the American airmen should have been tied instead to stakes near to where their bombs had fallen and then been burned alive. When I expressed my shock at his horrible suggestion, he looked straight back into my eyes and said: “but, that was what they were doing to us.”

That brief conversation has been seared into my conscience and I have thought about it many times. Could I have lit a fire to incinerate any of those cowardly airmen—perhaps just the officers, or high-ranking generals, or political leaders like Churchill, or FDR, or Truman? Certainly, it would have been a learning experience which they truly deserved and which others might heed as well. As a warning to future generations, it would have saved many innocent lives. The purpose of this website is not merely to acquit the Germans of the obscene charges against Germany—but to also condemn the victors, especially the Jews, for being the pious monsters that they truly were—and still are.

Friedrich Paul Berg
Learn everything at http://www.nazigassings.com
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[Mkk]

An English perspective: I don't see the topic of Allied war crimes to be "unbearable". Nor were we the "real monsters". The amount of death, destruction and suffering caused during the war by either side is fairly comparable, although not one-for-one in all areas or by all countries involved, especially in the area of bombing.

Bombing was a matter of difference in ability, not difference of intent: Both sides intended to kill enemy civilians, destroy war-related industry, create a housing problem and demoralize the enemy. The Allies simply had the ability to deploy a larger bomb load and developed ways of killing more civilians at once, i.e the infamous Firestorms. Here is a documentary on an attack on London: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLK81JFdpwk

I can't speak for US airmen, but our Bomber Command aircrew were as far from being cowards as is imaginable. 1/2 of them were dead by the end of the war. Imagine climbing into a flying death machine - in two ways - night after night, and seeing so many of your comrades die, but still somehow having the nerve to carry on, defying the fear every night? Coward is the last word.

[Haldan]

Imagine climbing into a flying death machine - in two ways - night after night, and seeing so many of your comrades die, but still somehow having the nerve to carry on.

I think this routine sounds senseless, not heroic (particularly considering what they were going to do once they were up and flying in those 'death machines').

-haldan

[Friedrich Paul Berg]

Richard Overy is a highly regarded, contemporary British historian of the air war. He has recently expressed the view that the British "did" try to murder German civilians as a matter of deliberate policy--but that the Germans tried to avoid civilian casualties.

See: http://www.warhistoryonline.com/war-articles/hamburg-museum-to-examine-raf-raids-that-killed-many-thousands-of-civilians.html

The myth in Britain has been that we bombed military targets and Germans bombed civilian populations, but it is almost exactly the reverse,” said Professor Overy, author of The Air War and Bomber Command.

“The Germans tried to bomb military targets and by mid-1941 the British had given up on that idea and wanted to flatten city centres,” he said. “More people were killed in Hamburg than Dresden but nobody wanted to know that the object of bombing Hamburg was to create a firestorm and to kill very large numbers of people. There was a reluctance to focus on what had happened to Germans after what they had done to everybody else

Although Overy presented abundant evidence for branding "Bomber Harris" a war criminal, he refused to go that far. That simple act of the telling the whole truth was "unbearable." In any event, I am sure if one looks, one will find abundant evidence that bomber crews often turned from heavily defended targets within a targeted city to bomb safer areas, without much AA defense, instead. In roughly 1,000 cases, American bombers turned completely away from their missions and headed toward neutral Sweden or Switzerland to safely sit out the war.

The word "cowardly" was chosen by my Hungarian acquaintance. It certainly applies to the higher ups such as Churchill, FDR and Truman.

The air war could have ended anytime the British and/or Americans wanted to end it. The Germans would have certainly stopped as well. Rudolf Hess's heroic flight to Britain in May 1940 is proof of that. Recall also, that there were five major air attacks with 80 bombers in each attack on Berlin in August and September 1940 before the first German air attack on any British city--the attack on London of September 7. 1940.

There was a special kind of air war against Axis civilians that certainly was "cowardly" and as shameful as anything imaginable--but it has escaped the attention of historians, even revisionists, generally. That was the bombing and strafing of refugee columns fleeing the Soviets usually on foot, but sometimes in trains. Civilians on foot loaded with belongings were such safe targets. They did not even shoot back. German soldiers on foot were by contrast, rather dangerous with their high rate of fire machine guns. So mow down those civilians instead. Lone gunmen in their P-51's or P-39's or P-38 could mow down hundreds of civilians with a single fly-by--and did. Fly once around the target first to see if there is any AA fire from somewhere in the crowd--and, if not, go in close and try to kill everyone.

What is so important for unraveling the holocaust hoax, those attacks on civilians from the air were what made the so-called "Death Marches" from Auschwitz and elsewhere into real"DEATH" marches. Many Jews were murdered also. Of course, o-n-l-y Germans were supposed to be murdered in such attacks. Jews have not made much fuss about that since it would not have helped their relationships with the victors after the war--but, one can see frequent mention of the attacks from the air among "survivor" accounts. Helen Handler. a "survivor" here in Arizona often talked about how terrifying those air attacks on the train she was in actually were. It was the Germans who protected her and kept her alive with food, medical care, shelter and more as best they could. Of course, she does not thank the Germans, however, although she certainly should. If she had staid in Auschwitz to be "liberated" by the Soviets, she would have been repeatedly raped and perhaps killed as well. That is what certainly happened to many Jews who were NOT on Schindler's List or who were NOT brought to the west as the Germans retreated from areas with as many as 42,000 labor camps and ghetto-es in the east for Jews.

The "Bad Guys" were the Allies! The "Good Guys"were the Germans including the Nazis, especially the SS..


Friedrich Paul Berg
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Nazi Gassings Never Happened! Niemand wurde vergast!

[Kingfisher]

In roughly 1,000 cases, American bombers turned completely away from their missions and headed toward neutral Sweden or Switzerland to safely sit out the war.

Interesting. What is your source for that? Did they remain there or return home? Were they tried?

[Friedrich Paul Berg]

I have no specific reference at hand for the fact that roughly 1,000 American bombers turned completely away from their targets to land in Switzerland or Sweden. That part of the air war is not my specialty. Try Google searching for: "American bombers" Switzerland Sweden.

A question which occurs to me here is whether those bombers carried their bomb loads all the way to Sweden or Switzerland and landed with those loads-(very dangerous)-or whether they simply dropped their bombs somewhere along the way. I think one should be able to find the evidence easily enough in the bombing literature.

In late 1944, the desire to avoid tough targets was so great that there was even consideration of orders to American bombers to "shoot" at bombers which seemed to be turning away from their assigned missions. This was NOT "the greatest generation" of anything at all.

The "Bad Guys" really were the Allies! The "Good Guys"were the Germans including the Nazis, especially the SS..


Friedrich Paul Berg
Learn everything at http://www.nazigassings.com
Nazi Gassings Never Happened! Niemand wurde vergast!

[Mkk]

I think this routine sounds senseless, not heroic (particularly considering what they were going to do once they were up and flying in those 'death machines').

-haldan

One man's hero is another mans fool. But the circumstances should be taken into account - i.e there was a war on, leading to a certain mindset unknown to those born and living in peaceful times like we are.

Richard Overy is a highly regarded, contemporary British historian of the air war. He has recently expressed the view that the British "did" try to murder German civilians as a matter of deliberate policy--but that the Germans tried to avoid civilian casualties.

Older folk in London, Belfast, Manchester, Liverpool, Plymouth, Middlesbourgh, Bournemouth and other locations would disagree with the bolded. Overy is partially correct:

The myth in Britain has been that we bombed military targets and Germans bombed civilian populations, but it is almost exactly the reverse

He is right that a myth developed during and after the war that our bomber crews mainly attacked war-related targets. Just on this week on British TV was a 60s film featuring some Bombers attacking a military target in Norway.

It wasnt really until the translation of books such as Die Brand and the free transfer of information on the internet that reliable, in context information on the bombing campaign became available and still very few British people will be aware that this took place, or the real extent of it. How many Germans know that their Luftwaffe bombed London and such cities, for comparison?

Ofcourse people knew that the Germans bombed civilians because millions of Brits lived through or have relatives who lived through the "Blitz" and there are very often programmes and media features about it, and related subjects such as evacuation of children [such as the popular film "Goodbye Mr Tom", which also features a recreation of a London air raid]

There was a reluctance to focus on what had happened to Germans after what they had done to everybody else

This was indeed the view. People who had experienced or witnessed the destruction of British cities often had no sympathies for the Germans - "Germans had no problems bombing English cities, why should we have any problems bombing them" was the logic used. I have seen this sentiment in the views both of those who lived through the "Blitz" and among those who served with Bomber Command. Thus Harris' famous comment about the Germans "reaping the whirlwind" of their actions.

There was a letter to this effect in the Private Eye within the last year, in response to a claim in the paper that Arthur Harris was a "psychopath": The respondent echoed the "necessary evil" view of the bombing campaign.

The "Bad Guys" really were the Allies! The "Good Guys"were the Germans including the Nazis, especially the SS..

I don't think we should replace the simplistic Allied apologist view of "The Good war", with the Allies as the good guys and the Germans as the bad, with an Axis apologist view of the Germans being the Good guys and the Allies being the bad. Both sides caused many millions of deaths via execution, forced labour, internment in labour/prison/concentration camps, bombing, exposure and avoidable starvation ; and suffering via some of the above and rape, looting, etc.

[Friedrich Paul Berg]

Rudolf Hess carried with him a fantastic peace offer to Britain in May of 1941. The following link gives much of the story:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/10336126/Nazis-offered-to-leave-western-Europe-in-exchange-for-free-hand-to-attack-USSR.html

There appears to be some unwillingness to make all of the evidence public. Can anyone guess why?

If the evidence stands, and I think it will because there was supporting evidence already at the time of the flight, it makes perfectly clear that the western Allies really were the "Bad Guys." Both Hitler and Hess should have received Nobel Peace Prizes. Hess proved with his own physical presence in Britain that Germany was absolutely sincere in its oft-repeated claims to wanting to end the war with Britain--and at no cost to Britain. Hitler's role in the peace offer is proved by the document Hess carried. For his Christ-like act, Hess was rewarded, not with a Nobel Peace Prize which he certainly deserved more than anyone else in human history--but with life imprisonment and finally his own murder in prison by a British agent.

So, after Hess' flight, what was left for Britain to fight Germany over? I think Britain and the US were possessed by racist insanity--driven by Jews--to destroy the German people once and for all. It was perfectly OK when God did it in the Old Testament to people the Hebrews wanted to destroy. The British and later American bombing and strafing of totally innocent German civilians served that same monstrous purpose perfectly.

The "Bad Guys" really were the Allies! The "Good Guys"were the Germans including the Nazis, and especially the SS.

The good news for the US and Britain is that there really is no God! Such a pity! If there were a God who resembled in any way the brutal arbiter of justice and punishment that Anglo-Americans pretend to believe in, he would have destroyed America and Britain thousands of times since the war


Friedrich Paul Berg
Learn everything at http://www.nazigassings.com
Nazi Gassings Never Happened! Niemand wurde vergast!

[Mkk]

it makes perfectly clear that the western Allies really were the "Bad Guys."

The "Bad Guys" really were the Allies! The "Good Guys"were the Germans including the Nazis, and especially the SS.

A side, any side, that causes the deaths and suffering of millions of people cannot be describes as good. All three sides - the western Allies, the Axis and the Soviets - did exactly that. Therefore it's more a question of who was worse rather than who was good and who was bad.

Both Hitler and Hess should have received Nobel Peace Prizes.

In regards to Hitler - a man who aggressively invaded another country [Poland] is certainly not worthy of this prize. As for the USSR - the evidence is not yet conclusive as to whether Germany's attack was a preemptive strike or not. But Hitler had already written of his desire for Lebensraum in Mein Kampf, indicating an invasion of Russia had been planned beforehand.

The British and later American bombing and strafing of totally innocent German civilians served that same monstrous purpose perfectly.

I disagree. Bombing killed less than 10% of the number of Germans who died in military combat. In Britain that was about 15%. The purpose of bombing was to demoralize civilians, create disarray, damage war industries and reduce support for the government, It wasnt at all effective in destroying Germans forever - those that were bombed often simply escaped to the countryside, and the cities were rebuilt by the 1950s [http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=8229&sid=aa28fff4d05576431a206e86f62fa4eb] with the helo of the British.

[Kingfisher]

Try Google searching for: "American bombers" Switzerland Sweden.[/b]

I had before I posted, but without the quotes. I found nothing which is why I posted. But with the quotes quite a few hits

Now the story line in Catch 22 about Orr flying to Sweden, which I had always taken to be a fantasy, has a real context.

[Friedrich Paul Berg]

I am curious about MKK's comment above which ends with the following line:

. . . It wasn't at all effective in destroying Germans forever - those that were bombed often simply escaped to the countryside, and the cities were rebuilt by the 1950s [http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=8229&sid=aa28fff4d05576431a206e86f62fa4eb] with the helo[sic] of the British.

What help did the British provide to rebuild German cities after the war?

I doubt that anything like that ever occurred. I do know, however, that the British LOOTED Germany after the war of anything they could get their grubby hands on as far as German technology and machinery--just as the Americans and French and Russians also looted Germany.


Friedrich Paul Berg
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[Mkk]

Mr. Berg,

The CODOH link I provided was intended to link to a thread where the following video was posted:



She is discussing specifically the British zone of occupation.

[Friedrich Paul Berg]

Aside from the 300 British pounds that Hinchcliffe-Davies spent on some brochures about British planning, the help Britain provided Germany is non-existent if one looks at the video carefully. Shame on Mkk for being so incredibly naive and blind. Do your homework next time!

It was the Germans themselves who rebuilt Cologne and all the rest of Germany. And that was done at the very same time that Germany was being LOOTED by people like MKK--and, perhaps even worse than that, at the very same time that Germany's leaders were being tried for war crimes that had not even occurred, or were vastly exceeded by the Allies crimes.

The following quote is from my own website, column right near the bottom:

If you get away with it, crime pays very well — and American “Success” is the best proof of that

America has been praising itself to the heavens ever since the last Great Depression—and getting away with it, in large part because it won WW2 and looted everything of value from Germany. That loot from Germany was the basis of America's undeserved success for the next sixty years. Even before the end of the war in Europe on May 8, 1945, the USA had begun the systematic, official LOOTING of everything in Germany that could be of any military, scientific, technical or commercial value using highly trained teams of engineers, scientists, and technicians with photographers and stenographers. The stolen information about German technology—with countless chemical and mathematical formulas, for example—was put into reports which were printed, bound and available to anyone in the US, including corporations, for the minimal cost of the paper and printing of those reports. Many were available for less than a dollar. Britain did essentially the same thing with reports for its citizens. The US reports were called F.I.A.T. reports for “Field Intelligence Agency, Technical.” Others were known as C.I.O.S. (Combined Intelligence Objectives Subcommittee) and B.I.O.S.(British Intelligence Objectives Subcommittee). Major libraries throughout the country, including the Columbia University Engineering School's library which I used, were repositories of entire collections of these reports of looted technology —and open to everyone.

Germany was to be reduced to nothing more than farmland in accordance with the Morgenthau Plan—but not before everything of value was stolen. Many of the details appear in an excellent new book in German by Friedrich Georg, Unternehmen Patentenraub 1945. (Tübingen: Grabert Verlag 2008). An important document in English appears on page 53 describing the so-called “German Documents Conference” (Germans were NOT invited). More than 1600 tons of German documents had to be dealt with somehow at this special conference from October 22-25, 1945. Simply returning the documents to the rightful German owners was out of the question for the victorious criminals. The intent, clearly, was to destroy all documents which were NOT useful to the victors. No doubt, documents exonerating German defendants accused of atrocities would NOT have been useful to the victors either. An American document giving the conclusions of the “German Documents Conference” is still not available. See also John Gimbel.

With the above document, we may have an explanation here for the apparent absence of key documents relating to the so-called “holocaust,” especially to the actual resettlement of Jews in eastern Europe. To avoid the enormous possibilities for corruption and bribery, there would have been meticulous records for the disposal and/or dispersal of Jews, by whatever means—whether that meant “resettlement” or “extermination.” The absence of such record-keeping on the part of German bureaucrats, of all people, is totally inconceivable and contrary to the German national character which loves detailed record-keeping.. A cover-up, if there had been mass extermination, would have surely included a vast paper trail, somewhere, even if only a fraudulent one, to disguise an extermination program.

In the NY Times and Scientific American magazine articles appeared after the war encouraging everyone to buy the F.I.A.T reports and use the information to make products of every sort without fear of patent violation so long as the information was not protected by valid American patents. “Help yourselves folks, and corporations, to what our heroes have just stolen in Germany”— that was the message in essence. Many corporations bought entire sets of the reports and used them for decades. Since Germany was to be reduced to farmland in keeping with the jewish Morgenthau Plan, Germany would have no use for any of that “intellectual property” anyway. The “real” war criminals were, as we should all know by now, the Allies—especially the Americans.

Among the countless ideas S-T-O-L-E-N were the patents and technology for the world's first programmable electronic computers, magnetic tape recording (essential for computers for decades), jet engines, rocket propelled aircraft, the first jet aircraft, swept wing aircraft technology, operational helicopters, guided liquid-fueled missiles of every sort, electron microscopes, semiconductors and the first transistors, many pesticides, synthetic fuels, rubber and motor oils, and fertilizers from coal and even oil shale, gas turbine technology to drive ships and tanks, hydrofoil boats, infra-red night-fighting equipment, birth control pills, and on and on.

The dollar value of all that loot is incalculable but certainly exceeded 10 billion dollars in WW2 dollars based on some known negotiations after the war between the US and the Soviet Union. By contrast, Germany's portion of the Marshall Plan aid was only 1.25 billion dollars whereas Britain and France each received double that amount. What Germany received was barely enough to cover the wristwatches, cameras and other “souvenirs” STOLEN by American GI’s from German POW’s and ordinary civilians. What did America actually invent in the last century and a half, if anything? How many Americans have any idea that even the automobile, the gasoline engine, the diesel engine and the airplane were all German inventions? By countless pseudo-legal frauds, the rightful German inventors were never able to gain patent protection in the US. Today, China is doing nothing worse than what America did throughout the last century and a half.

The best source for most of this information is probably: John Gimbel, Science, Technology, and Reparations: Exploitation and Plunder in Postwar Germany .

Please check my website which contains related links within the same text.


Friedrich Paul Berg
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Nazi Gassings Never Happened! Niemand wurde vergast!

[Mkk]

Mr. Berg,

We weren't going to rebuild the Germans country for them. We ourselves had our own country to rebuild - parts of London were not rebuilt until the early 60s in some cases. Atleast we did take an initiative to provide some help which is more than many occupation powers would do.

"While Germany was being looted by people like MKK" Sorry, is this meant to be a personal comment towards me? I have never stolen anything or committed any other illegal behavior in my life. I've reported your post.

The topic of post-war rebuilding though, is more suitable for that thread.

[Friedrich Paul Berg]

I did NOT accuse Mkk of stealing anything. However, I did say that people "like" Mkk certainly did.

Please learn to read more carefully and do not be such a "crybaby."

Friedrich Paul Berg
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Nazi Gassings Never Happened! Niemand wurde vergast!