Does a silent majority in Germany support Revisionism?

[sfivdf21]

Hello everyone, there is a debate that I have always wanted to open here because I think that it's a very interesting issue to debate from a revisionist perspective and also for promote our narrative it's also important to research. It's also very important to debubk the anti-revisionist tesis, if you often talk about World War II, the Third Reich, Adolf Hitler and the "Holocaust" with believers, it's probably that on some occasion you have come across some guy who has said to you things like: "The revisionist message is nonsense, the Germans themselves recognize that the Holocaust happened and they are totally against Holocaust Revisionism", "There is nothing positive in Hitler and Nazism, where their memory is least defended is in Germany" or "Germany was the guilty of the Second World War, the Germans themselves admit it, otherwise the Germans would support the Revisionist and Neonazi points of view."

In short, for the believers the fact that (according to them) the majority of Germans have a negative version of the Third Reich and believe in the orthodox narrative of World War II makes that any thesis that is favorable to Nationalsocialism and/or "Holocaust" Revisionism a nonsense and without any legitimacy. After all, are the Germans who know best their history, right?

So the point is, is there really any truth to the claims of believers about what Germans think of their recent history? How strong is the popular support in the current Germany for "Holocaust" Revisionism and Nationalsocialism on the one hand and the orthodox narrative of the "Holocaust", the Third Reich and World War II on the other?

As is well known by everyone here, Germany is an occupied and oppressed country since 1945, the Germans are subjected to their enemies and therefore they are lacking all national sovereignity and freedom (including, of course, freedom of speech and research, which is what we will point out here). In the BRD is an Orwellian persecution and censorship against everything that has to do with Nationalsocialism and "Holocaust" Revisionism. The FRG authorities are trying to be brainwash all Germans from their childhood into hating their national heroes (especially Adolf Hitler), the most glorious periods in their history (especially the Third Reich) and their own parents and grandparents and also that feel guilty for a "genocide" that never existed. Simultaneously to all this there is also a ruthless persecution against all those German who in public express an opinion which it's favorable to Hitler and skeptical of the "Holocaust".

However, I ask, have the majority of Germans really succumbed to anti-German "Holocaust" propaganda? I have my serious doubts about this because although it's true that many Germans have been brainwashed, I don't think that many others and perhaps the majority of Germans have been. It's true that as I have said there is a brutal social engineering and persecution against the dissident of this disgusting anti-German propaganda, but the Germans of the postwar generations also have (or had those who have already passed away due the pass of the decades) their parents and grandparents who lived the time of Hitler and World War II, if the postwar Germans can be receptive to the lies told to them by a school teacher or by a dark-minded journalist and politician who works for the enemies of Germany by pushing a Jewish propaganda agenda, why not? Can they be with their own parents and grandparents to contrast the misinformation they receive? It seems very difficult to me to believe that most Germans are not able to listen to the views of their parents and grandparents who lived through the Third Reich (I am talking about the ordinary German citizen, not the brainwashed leftist who celebrates the Dresden bombing with the motto "Arthur Harris do it again").

However I am of the opinion that despite all the brutal campaign of social engineering prevailing today I believe that there is a silent majority of Germans who are skeptical of the "Holocaust" and the official narrative of World War II and the Third Reich and that they even have a positive views of Adolf Hitler and Nationalsocialism. Of course, they are guesswork. The only possible way to know for sure what the majority of Germans really think about Hitler and the "Holocaust" would be to repeal certain laws and allow Germans to freely express themselves and discuss the history of their country.

Despite being conjectures I think that what I say may be well founded, for example yesterday I saw again the famous interview with Ursula Haverbeck from 2015 that made her notorious and from min. 43:50 until min. 44:14 she literally said the following when was asked by the interviewer about if she thinks that she could be able to convince the majority of Germans that the Holocaust is a lie:

Even now, I already have the impression that the majority of thinking Germans have experienced so many contradictions that they, at the very least, doubt it strongly. And perhaps even more so, a great many tradespeople and the like, precisely because they're people with their feet on the ground, also say, "That simply can't be right".

https://www.bitchute.com/video/g32HxrEb2MHS/

I was also very pleasantly impressed when I saw the movie er ist wieder da, this movie (although it seems more like a social experiment) is about how the German society would react if Adolf Hitler returned, there were improvised and real scenes (that is, genuinely authentic, unscripted) of the actor dressed as Hitler interacting with German passersby, the overwhelming majority of them reacted positively when they interacted with "Hitler" and the actor who impersonated the Führer says that he was acclaimed by the majority of Germans who saw him (and not for what the actor is, but for what he represented at that time, and what he represented was Adolf Hitler). In some scenes there were even some Germans who saluted and were photographed with the actor dressed as Hitler doing the Fascist salute as shown in this video. There was such an impact shortly after the film's release that many FRG's and outside journalists, politicians, and media personalities (including Tom Masucci, the actor who impersonated Hitler) lamented that "Hitler" was so well received in today's Germany, calling that fact of "far-right drift" of the German society.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/kMMUBLqPYwRM/

Therefore, as a final thought on the matter, I ask you the following questions, Do the majority of Germans really believe in the "Holocaust"? What do Germans really think about Hitler and Nationalsocialism today? What is their true current perception of World War II and the Third Reich era? Does the average German citizen feel represented by the perfidious political and journalistic class of the FRG that constantly falsifies their history and tries to instill in them a feeling of guilt and self-hatred by his promotion of the Holocaust agenda? Do you think there is hope that "Holocaust" Revisionism will triumph in Germany and the disgusting cult of guilt will crumble? I would like to read what you think about this issue especially the users who are Germans and/or who live or have lived in Germany, they will be able to speak with more knowledge about this issue, thanks in advice.

[borjastick]

Here are my thoughts as a British man of a certain age 60+ who has visited Germany many times over the years and has met many Germans in and out of Germany.

I think those Germans who were alive during the war probably have a decent majority who didn't believe the holocaust claims for various reasons.

Those Germans born shortly after the war and into the 60s and 70s have been conditioned to believe that Germany was an evil country that did terrible things never doubt what they were told at school and in the media and are filed with a heavy burden of guilt. This is the group I have met most of and have found they almost all accept the national guilt.

I used to live in the Philippines for a while. When I had my house built in a lovely high jungle sea view location there were some Germans who had developed a little section a few hundred metres from us. Very nice people and when I first went inside the general manager's house I noticed he had swastikas carved into the sides of his wooden furniture which was made in a local factory. All very decorative and stylish but obvious to those who knew the symbol. I didn't ask him anything but I did meet his mother who would have been born well before the war and chatting to him and her over a cuppa one day it became obvious to me they were Hitler sympathisers. Not in any over the top way but a comment here and a comment there led me to this feeling.

I then bought another plot of land adjacent to mine and built a one bedroom house on it. Very native looking and lovely but with all mod cons like aircon etc. Along came German Klaus, who was new to the Philippines and had nothing to do with the other Germans mentioned above, and he bought it. When he was settled in we went there for his famous German cheesecake and I noticed on the sideboard a picture of a man in full military (WW2) uniform, navy I think. That was his dad. I asked him several questions and it was quite clear that he was one of the burdened, carrying all the guilt about Germany and its terrible role on both wars and killing all the jews etc. I dropped the subject there and then.

The final group is of course those who were born in the past thirty years or so. These I think go with the flow and are force fed at school the lies but this group has more in it who do not believe.

[Hektor]

A larger portion of Germans alive during the WW2 era will def. have had their own reservations about the subject. Bear in mind that the Holocaust wasn't invented until decades later thought. Those were "atrocities in concentration camps" and they probably thought that this was propaganda or exaggerated. The vast majority had different experiences from before, during and after the war. So no way to persuade them otherwise. It was different with those that already had a grudge against NS of course, especially when they got privileged positions after WW2 in media academia and gov. --- They'd all to willing grasp up any accusation they could, since that would distract from the fact that they themselves were committing crimes by collaborating with the Allies.

The immediate post-war era has gone by.... And the intense Holocaust Indoctrination only took place from the 1970s onward. It's essentially those born 10 years after 1945 and later that were subject to it. The later boomers as well following generations. Those also had a different type of teacher corpse among which people with first hand experience were vanishing from. I don't think that there is tacit support for Revisionism among most of those, though. But there is a "Holocaust Fatigue". People are annoyed by the subject being peddled to them over and over again. Ironically it's this that may actually make it more difficult for Revisionism. If people don't want to hear about the subject, they will not deal with the critique of it neither.

If there would have been fair treatment of the subject, with some real public discourse on it, the Holocaust would def. loose it's "moral strength" and "credibility" within month. But that would also have implications on the legitimacy of the present elites as well as many of the policies they've implemented over time, especially immigration and institutionalised parasitism by moochers and activists in bureaucracy and NGO's (which are state-funded, even if that is indirectly).

[EtienneSC]

Do the majority of Germans really believe in the "Holocaust"? What do Germans really think about Hitler and National socialism today? What is their true current perception of World War II and the Third Reich era?

The following recent DW video addresses some of your questions. There is a particularly interesting discussion between a father and a daughter towards the end (35 minutes) about the grandfather's wartime memories:

It seems like there is a healthy range of views in society in the west of the country, but not so much in the education system (and hardly at all in the mass media). The program was prepared under German legal restrictions of course.

[Hektor]

Do the majority of Germans really believe in the "Holocaust"? What do Germans really think about Hitler and National socialism today? What is their true current perception of World War II and the Third Reich era?

The following recent DW video addresses some of your questions. There is a particularly interesting discussion between a father and a daughter towards the end (35 minutes) about the grandfather's wartime memories:

It seems like there is a healthy range of views in society in the west of the country, but not so much in the education system (and hardly at all in the mass media). The program was prepared under German legal restrictions of course.

It's a good example of framing. And it works.

I get that what is expressed in public will differ from private thoughts on a matter, though. What counts is what got hegemony... And the Holocaust def. still got Hegemony in Germany....But that vestige shows cracks.... And I'd expect a credibility crisis to come.

[sfivdf21]

Here are my thoughts as a British man of a certain age 60+ who has visited Germany many times over the years and has met many Germans in and out of Germany.

I think those Germans who were alive during the war probably have a decent majority who didn't believe the holocaust claims for various reasons.

Those Germans born shortly after the war and into the 60s and 70s have been conditioned to believe that Germany was an evil country that did terrible things never doubt what they were told at school and in the media and are filed with a heavy burden of guilt. This is the group I have met most of and have found they almost all accept the national guilt.

I used to live in the Philippines for a while. When I had my house built in a lovely high jungle sea view location there were some Germans who had developed a little section a few hundred metres from us. Very nice people and when I first went inside the general manager's house I noticed he had swastikas carved into the sides of his wooden furniture which was made in a local factory. All very decorative and stylish but obvious to those who knew the symbol. I didn't ask him anything but I did meet his mother who would have been born well before the war and chatting to him and her over a cuppa one day it became obvious to me they were Hitler sympathisers. Not in any over the top way but a comment here and a comment there led me to this feeling.

I then bought another plot of land adjacent to mine and built a one bedroom house on it. Very native looking and lovely but with all mod cons like aircon etc. Along came German Klaus, who was new to the Philippines and had nothing to do with the other Germans mentioned above, and he bought it. When he was settled in we went there for his famous German cheesecake and I noticed on the sideboard a picture of a man in full military (WW2) uniform, navy I think. That was his dad. I asked him several questions and it was quite clear that he was one of the burdened, carrying all the guilt about Germany and its terrible role on both wars and killing all the jews etc. I dropped the subject there and then.

The final group is of course those who were born in the past thirty years or so. These I think go with the flow and are force fed at school the lies but this group has more in it who do not believe.

Hello Borjastick, thanks for your reply and sorry for the delay. Interesting anecdotes, I unfortunately have not been able to meet so many Germans (and even less Germans who lived the Hitler era). I must say that I am not surprised that you told me that the majority of Germans who were adults in the days of the Third Reich and World War II did not believe the "Holocaust" lie and that after 1945 they continued to sympathize with Nationalsocialism. What did surprise me is that you told me that in the Germans in who the "Holocaust" propaganda was most successful was in the Germans who were born between 1940s and 1970s. I was also surprised that you told me that in the Germans who were born from the 1980s there are more people who do not believe in the "Holocaust" narrative than in their previous generation. As someone who has had the opportunity to meet many Germans of all generation I would like to ask you, do you think that there is any kind of hope that one day the FRG regime will fall, Germany will once again be a sovereign country and that therefore the Germans will be able to speak freely from Hitler, the Third Reich, World War II and the "Holocaust"?

I have always the opinion that the average German citizen (even the one who believes in the "Holocaust" narrative) dislikes that disgusting anti-German hate that the FRG puppet-occupation regime tries to instill in them. I would like to tell you about an experience I had in this regard. I remember that in 2017 I went on a trip to Berlin with my family. Then I had yet already realized that the "Holocaust" is a lie and I already had interest, sympathy and admiration for Germany and its history (especially what is regard to Adolf Hitler and Nationalsocialism), so I avoided certain places in the city as the disgusting Holocaust "memorial". It was an overall very enjoyable trip but there was a moment when I felt real disgust, as we were on our way to see the Siegessäule we came across the infamous Soviet war memorial in Treptower Park. The mere fact of witnessing any monument that praises communism is something that annoys me, but having witnessed a memorial dedicated to the Red Army in Berlin (knowing the real and abominable war crimes and atrocities that the Soviets perpetrated there) was something that really enraged me. And I don't think that any decent German will react differently than me to witnessing this real aberration. No matter how much "Holocaust" propaganda there is, no one (except perhaps a far-left masochistic-schizophrenic antifa) likes to have in their capital a gigantic war memorial dedicated to those who destroyed and occupied their country and looted, raped, expelled from their homes and murdered millions of his compatriots. I also don't believe that the most Germans are agree with the orwellian laws that bans, censor and persecute the "Holocaust" Revisionist and Nationalsocialist material and opinions and the infamous fact that even today people who served as SS guards in concentration camps are still persecuted (recently there have been as you know several cases).

[sfivdf21]

A larger portion of Germans alive during the WW2 era will def. have had their own reservations about the subject. Bear in mind that the Holocaust wasn't invented until decades later thought. Those were "atrocities in concentration camps" and they probably thought that this was propaganda or exaggerated. The vast majority had different experiences from before, during and after the war. So no way to persuade them otherwise. It was different with those that already had a grudge against NS of course, especially when they got privileged positions after WW2 in media academia and gov. --- They'd all to willing grasp up any accusation they could, since that would distract from the fact that they themselves were committing crimes by collaborating with the Allies.

The immediate post-war era has gone by.... And the intense Holocaust Indoctrination only took place from the 1970s onward. It's essentially those born 10 years after 1945 and later that were subject to it. The later boomers as well following generations. Those also had a different type of teacher corpse among which people with first hand experience were vanishing from. I don't think that there is tacit support for Revisionism among most of those, though. But there is a "Holocaust Fatigue". People are annoyed by the subject being peddled to them over and over again. Ironically it's this that may actually make it more difficult for Revisionism. If people don't want to hear about the subject, they will not deal with the critique of it neither.

If there would have been fair treatment of the subject, with some real public discourse on it, the Holocaust would def. loose it's "moral strength" and "credibility" within month. But that would also have implications on the legitimacy of the present elites as well as many of the policies they've implemented over time, especially immigration and institutionalised parasitism by moochers and activists in bureaucracy and NGO's (which are state-funded, even if that is indirectly).

Hello Hektor, thanks for your reply and sorry for the delay. As I have told to Borjastick and spoke with you once in this thread (viewtopic.php?f=20&t=14036#p102573), I'm too of the opinion that the majority of the Germans who were adults and teenagers during the Hitler era and the years of the World War II still sympathize with Nationalsocialism and Adolf Hitler after 1945 and rightly think that the "Holocaust" is a lie and pure anti-German propaganda. I'm also partially agree with you when about the "Holocaust Fatigue" issue. I think that it's an obvious fact that the most Germans dislikes that the media, the educational system and the politic class are constantly trying to instill in them a repulsive anti-German hate and "Holocaust" propaganda. However, I don't see any reason that this fact could negatively affect the rise of "Holocaust" Revisionism. I think the oppose thing. The Germans are tired because they are fed up that having to hear 24/7 that the Germans killed 6 million Jews, that Hitler was evil, that their country was the instigator of the Second World War and that the German people for had supported Hitler is guilty of everything the Third Reich is accused of. All of this it's an imposed narrative, imposed by the enemies of Germany. However claiming that the "Holocaust" is a lie, that Adolf Hitler is the greatest hero in German history, that the Third Reich was a glorious period that not only brought prosperity, security, culture and freedom to the German people but also made Germany the first world power of its time and turned it into the western bastion that protected Europe from the threat of Bolshevism and that the war was not provoced by Hitler and Germany but was imposed against their will is something that this banned to say and therefore it represents an alternative to the "Holocaust" narrative, and if the Germans are fed up with the imposed "Holocaust" narrative, they may be open to embracing the alternative to this narrative, precisely that reflection is the reason why I decided to open this debate in this forum. Now, that is my personal opinion and I am neither German nor do I live in Germany, so I can only know the situation in the country from what I read on the internet and from here draw my guesses and conclusions. That is why I would like that if there are users in this forum who are Germans, who live or have lived in Germany or who know or knowed Germans (such as Borjastick) that they will come to this thread and express their views on the issue. And finally, like Borjastick I would like to ask you, do you think that there is any kind of hope that one day the FRG regime will fall, Germany will once again be a sovereign country and that therefore the Germans will be able to speak freely from Hitler, the Third Reich, World War II and the "Holocaust"?

[sfivdf21]

Do the majority of Germans really believe in the "Holocaust"? What do Germans really think about Hitler and National socialism today? What is their true current perception of World War II and the Third Reich era?

The following recent DW video addresses some of your questions. There is a particularly interesting discussion between a father and a daughter towards the end (35 minutes) about the grandfather's wartime memories:

It seems like there is a healthy range of views in society in the west of the country, but not so much in the education system (and hardly at all in the mass media). The program was prepared under German legal restrictions of course.

Hello EtienneSC, a so interesting video, I saw it and indeed if we judge the content of the documentary as the collective feeling of the current German society it seems that there is a rise of pro-Revisionist sentiments and a resurgence of pro-Hitler sentiments in Germany. Perhaps that is why Youtube censored the video since it says that it is not available, although I am surprised that it has been censored considering it's a documentary made by DW, a media with a rabbid anti-German, pro-Jewish and pro-Holocaust editorial line. Perhaps had appeared many Revisionist and pro-Hitler comments in the comments section, I don't know. Anyway, I would like to see this documentary again and share it with some friends, I searched it but could not find it, do you know where I can find that documentary with English subtitles like the video that you had sended to my? Thanks in advance.

[EtienneSC]

Anyway, I would like to see this documentary again and share it with some friends, I searched it but could not find it, do you know where I can find that documentary with English subtitles like the video that you had sended to my? Thanks in advance.

It isn't in the obvious places, but maybe it's still around somewhere. The interview with the relatives of the senior SS man who knew nothing of the Holocaust at the time and thought it was propaganda was telling for me.

Maybe someone in the new SPD/Green/FDP coalition didn't like the tone of it. Who knows.

[borjastick]

Hi sfivdf21

I think the population and system within Germany is so skewed towards a European community and the guilt of Germany for its sins that I cannot ever see a different Germany emerging, not at least in the medium term. I was always amazed that people today would buy the holocaust Bullsh-t which is forced upon them throughout their school years.

[Hektor]

Hello Hektor, thanks for your reply and sorry for the delay. As I have told to Borjastick and spoke with you once in this thread (viewtopic.php?f=20&t=14036#p102573), I'm too of the opinion that the majority of the Germans who were adults and teenagers during the Hitler era and the years of the World War II still sympathize with Nationalsocialism and Adolf Hitler after 1945 and rightly think that the "Holocaust" is a lie and pure anti-German propaganda. I'm also partially agree with you when about the "Holocaust Fatigue" issue. I think that it's an obvious fact that the most Germans dislikes that the media, the educational system and the politic class are constantly trying to instill in them a repulsive anti-German hate and "Holocaust" propaganda. However, I don't see any reason that this fact could negatively affect the rise of "Holocaust" Revisionism. I think the oppose thing. The Germans are tired because they are fed up that having to hear 24/7 that the Germans killed 6 million Jews, that Hitler was evil, that their country was the instigator of the Second World War and that the German people for had supported Hitler is guilty of everything the Third Reich is accused of.

I don't think sympathize is the right wording there. Some sure did, others gave a good approval rating in terms of policies with regards to full employment and social organisation. But in general the older generations view would have been far more balanced than following and indoctrinated generations. There were also those that got an axe to grind of course. 100% approval or support is an impossibility for any government.

The immediate post war debate was also more about jailing opponents and 'being undemocratic' than about what supposedly happened to the Jews. That subject became highlighted only later... From the sixties and onward. I don't recall any working class complaints from people that lived through the era. Virtually all complaints came from people with at least a middle class background and higher education: Your salon socialists, rolex revolutionaries and limousine liberals that had time, money and the education to spin the story into a new frame. Since they were calling the shots in the education system this of course trickled down into the broader population. Bear in mind that someone of 20 years in 1945 would be 97 years old now. He'd be 50 in 1975 and hence still be able to tell the story of his own experiences in the era. Far more difficult to turn with pictures of emaciated people, since he himself would have experienced food shortages or even abuses in Allied prisoner camps. There were also older people around at the time. But my take is anyone above 70 is likely to be keen to debate controversial subjects. So unless they were not asked directly, they'd remain unheard. Additionally I take the guess that the permanent gas lighting (no pun intended) took its toll on anyone in Germany, albeit to a lesser degree on older people. Most younger Germans are annoyed by the subject and that's a barrier now to change their minds on the subject. Those 2 - 3 % of people that can think out of the box probably mostly realise that there are some huge problems with the Holocaust narrative. But what should they do? Addressing the subject won't make them friends, esp. among the majority dimwits that swallowed the story, hook line and sinker. And by no friends I mean risking social exclusion and shunning, which makes it difficult on the job market or to function properly in society. They probably won't physically kill you, not even jail you as long as you're limited to private conversations. But the risk is to become a heretic and outlaw that is socially avoided.

The shunning, ostracising and physically threatening isn't limited to the Holocaust btw. Anything that deviates from the unofficial party line, which is the German version of wokeism, will be treated that way by the politicised class. As I say to Germans once in the while "First they came for the Holocaust Deniers" - And they must realise that this is core to their present political and social peril, which sooner or later will also manifest on their economic well being as well as social peace. It already took a huge toll on social cohesion and cultural creativity.

[sfivdf21]

Hello Hektor, thanks for your reply and sorry for the delay. As I have told to Borjastick and spoke with you once in this thread (viewtopic.php?f=20&t=14036#p102573), I'm too of the opinion that the majority of the Germans who were adults and teenagers during the Hitler era and the years of the World War II still sympathize with Nationalsocialism and Adolf Hitler after 1945 and rightly think that the "Holocaust" is a lie and pure anti-German propaganda. I'm also partially agree with you when about the "Holocaust Fatigue" issue. I think that it's an obvious fact that the most Germans dislikes that the media, the educational system and the politic class are constantly trying to instill in them a repulsive anti-German hate and "Holocaust" propaganda. However, I don't see any reason that this fact could negatively affect the rise of "Holocaust" Revisionism. I think the oppose thing. The Germans are tired because they are fed up that having to hear 24/7 that the Germans killed 6 million Jews, that Hitler was evil, that their country was the instigator of the Second World War and that the German people for had supported Hitler is guilty of everything the Third Reich is accused of.

I don't think sympathize is the right wording there. Some sure did, others gave a good approval rating in terms of policies with regards to full employment and social organisation. But in general the older generations view would have been far more balanced than following and indoctrinated generations. There were also those that got an axe to grind of course. 100% approval or support is an impossibility for any government.

The immediate post war debate was also more about jailing opponents and 'being undemocratic' than about what supposedly happened to the Jews. That subject became highlighted only later... From the sixties and onward. I don't recall any working class complaints from people that lived through the era. Virtually all complaints came from people with at least a middle class background and higher education: Your salon socialists, rolex revolutionaries and limousine liberals that had time, money and the education to spin the story into a new frame. Since they were calling the shots in the education system this of course trickled down into the broader population. Bear in mind that someone of 20 years in 1945 would be 97 years old now. He'd be 50 in 1975 and hence still be able to tell the story of his own experiences in the era. Far more difficult to turn with pictures of emaciated people, since he himself would have experienced food shortages or even abuses in Allied prisoner camps. There were also older people around at the time. But my take is anyone above 70 is likely to be keen to debate controversial subjects. So unless they were not asked directly, they'd remain unheard. Additionally I take the guess that the permanent gas lighting (no pun intended) took its toll on anyone in Germany, albeit to a lesser degree on older people. Most younger Germans are annoyed by the subject and that's a barrier now to change their minds on the subject. Those 2 - 3 % of people that can think out of the box probably mostly realise that there are some huge problems with the Holocaust narrative. But what should they do? Addressing the subject won't make them friends, esp. among the majority dimwits that swallowed the story, hook line and sinker. And by no friends I mean risking social exclusion and shunning, which makes it difficult on the job market or to function properly in society. They probably won't physically kill you, not even jail you as long as you're limited to private conversations. But the risk is to become a heretic and outlaw that is socially avoided.

The shunning, ostracising and physically threatening isn't limited to the Holocaust btw. Anything that deviates from the unofficial party line, which is the German version of wokeism, will be treated that way by the politicised class. As I say to Germans once in the while "First they came for the Holocaust Deniers" - And they must realise that this is core to their present political and social peril, which sooner or later will also manifest on their economic well being as well as social peace. It already took a huge toll on social cohesion and cultural creativity.

Hello Hektor, I don't agree, I think sympathize is the right wording there. There are various ways to sympathize, it's not necessary to be a member of the NSDAP to sympathize with Nationalsocialism. In 1945 when the war ended and Germany was defeated, 8.5 million Germans were members of the NSDAP (8.5 million people in a country that at that time had between 80 and 90 million people). However, one must know how to distinguish the difference between a party militant/affiliate/officer and between a supporter. As you well know, it's an obvious fact that the overwhelming majority of Germans sympathized with Adolf Hitler and Nationalsocialism. As you say, the majority of the Germans from the generations that lived through the Third Reich era as adults and/or teenagers gave Nationalsocialism a good approval rating. If the majority of Germans who lived through the Hitler's era gave Nationalsocialism a good approval rating, it's obviously because they considered and still consider that Nationalsocialism it's a good political, economic and social system. And if they considered and still consider that Nationalsocialism is a good political, social and economic system, it is because they have a good opinion of it, therefore the majority of Germans who lived through the years of the Third Reich sympathized and still sympathize with Nationalsocialism. Obviously one has a good opinion of a certain political system if one feels sympathy with the political system in question, therefore sympathize it's the correct word. It's true that 100% approval or support is an impossibility for any government (however good it may be). I don't have said that 100% of the Germans supported the Third Reich, but yes the overwhelming majority of them, that is what I said and that it's an obvious fact (if the fact that the overwhelming majority of the Germans supported Hitler was false, the infamous "collective guilt" would not have been imposed in the postwar on them).

[sfivdf21]

Hi sfivdf21

I think the population and system within Germany is so skewed towards a European community and the guilt of Germany for its sins that I cannot ever see a different Germany emerging, not at least in the medium term. I was always amazed that people today would buy the holocaust Bullsh-t which is forced upon them throughout their school years.

Hello borjastick, if your predictions are correct, the truth is that everything is very tragic, and not only for Germany but for all of Europe. I am and have always been of the opinion that the "Holocaust" lie will never be destroyed until the German people finally rebel against it. I am not so sure that the majority of the German population has the guilt complex of hating their own country for what their grandparents' generation allegedly done, but since I am not German nor do I live in Germany, I cannot refute or confirm your claims either.

I agree, I am also surprised that most people believe in the "Holocaust" lie that is imposed on them in the educational system and in the media. It also enrages me that today Germany remains an occupied, oppressed country and therefore without national sovereignty where anyone who publicly expresses Revisionist and/or Nationalsocialist views is persecuted, censored and imprisoned. I wonder why the fools who believe in the "Holocaust" lie and believe that Hitler and the Third Reich were "evil" do not listen or ask their grandparents who lived through that time for their opinion, and if they don't ask their their grandparents to give their opinion to them, why don't their grandparents tell to their children and their grandchildren the truth about the Third Reich? Why don't the German people rebel against the criminal underlings of the FRG anti-German occupation regime who oppresses them since 1949? I have great contempt for the entire political class today in the Western World, but especially for the politicians of today's Germany, today no exists more evil, abject and despicable politicians than the political class of the FRG. A evil and corrupt political class that serves the enemies of Germany, that collaborates as political sepoys of the enemies that occups their country, that imprisons and Orwellianly persecutes any German who publicly expresses Revisionist and/or pro-Hitler opinions (later these "free world" hypocrites complain about what happens in China and North Korea when they are even worse than them), that even regardless of their advanced age continues to persecute innocent elderly people for the simple fact of having worked as SS employees in the old KZs, which is demographically replacing the Germans for foreigners and that constantly tries to impose on the entire German society a criminal and nauseating hate against their own nation, slandering the true German national heroes and vindicating the traitors, and much more. In short, I believe that the anti-German FRG occupation regime will only fall if an armed German national revolution occurs, they will never allow the German people to freely express what they think of their history or repeal the infamous laws that prevent it from doing so. Although well, it's also true that in the year 1989 the Soviet Union and the entire communist block seemed strong and nobody in the West thought that they were going to sink and they sank without the need for a single shot to be fired, who knows if with the anti-German FRG occupation regime is not going to happen the same as with the communist block in 1989? And finally I want to make it clear that I am not inciting violence against anyone, but I think that everyone who collaborates with the FRG (that is, who collaborates with an anti-German occupation regime) will one day have to pay for it. I hope that one day all the hateful politicians, journalists, police officers and other scum who collaborate with the FRG regime will have to face a big trial (so much so that they like infamies like Nuremberg or the show trials of Revisionists and old people of the SS who worked in the KZs) and are convicted, and sentenced either to prison or to death, is what has always been done with traitors who colaborates with the enemy and it's something totally legitimate under international law. I hope that one day all these bastards who collaborate in the oppression of the German people and the rest of European peopes will pay for it and that I may live to see it.

[Hektor]

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Hello Hektor, I don't agree, I think sympathize is the right wording there. There are various ways to sympathize, it's not necessary to be a member of the NSDAP to sympathize with Nationalsocialism. In 1945 when the war ended and Germany was defeated, 8.5 million Germans were members of the NSDAP (8.5 million people in a country that at that time had between 80 and 90 million people). However, one must know how to distinguish the difference between a party militant/affiliate/officer and between a supporter. As you well know, it's an obvious fact that the overwhelming majority of Germans sympathized with Adolf Hitler and Nationalsocialism....

I objected to:

World War II still sympathize with Nationalsocialism and Adolf Hitler after 1945

That is to definite.
As said: Some surely did.
Others gave a good approval rating, because they liked various aspects of NS, while they disapproved of others.
The positive answer was to a qualified question. Something in the line of: Disregarding 'war and persecution of the Jews', did NS have more good than bad aspects. There about two third gave a positive answer. I'd guess the positive was in due to the idea of folk community as well as some social and economic aspects. That would be social cohesion with your kinfolk as well as policies that guarantee employment // social security... The later not to be misunderstood as lazy, unwilling individuals sponging off the community. It should be noted that this was exactly why Adenauer's CDU and the SPD gained support... With the one supporting rebuilding society and the later more in support of social policies. That's a fairly sober approach... The post-war debate in Germany was mostly about political opponents being thrown into concentration camps. That most disapproved off, while they still would support a heavy hand with criminals, lazy people and perverts.

One would also look at the social cohesion in Germany, I'd say that was still good until the 1980s, when this def. declined over time. A sign of this was that children were playing on the streets/in the field without adult supervision. The parents obviously still trusted other adults that they won't hurt their kids. Don't think that is still the case.

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Anyway, I would like to see this documentary again and share it with some friends, I searched it but could not find it, do you know where I can find that documentary with English subtitles like the video that you had sended to my? Thanks in advance.

It isn't in the obvious places, but maybe it's still around somewhere. The interview with the relatives of the senior SS man who knew nothing of the Holocaust at the time and thought it was propaganda was telling for me.

Maybe someone in the new SPD/Green/FDP coalition didn't like the tone of it. Who knows.

Hello, I've been searching this censored DW documentary again in several places and I still can't find it, in my last comment I forgot to ask you what this documentary is called. Maybe if I search this documentary by its exact name perhaps I can find it on Bitchute, Ugetube, Odysee.com or Archive.org. If you remember what this censored DW documentary is called, I'd appreciate it if you'd let me know. Thanks in advance.