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Russia declassifies 1944 Auschwitz report by POW Pavel Gavrish (from RT)

Postby Archie » 4 months 1 week ago (Sun Jan 29, 2023 10:39 am)

Article: https://www.rt.com/news/570470-auschwitz-nazi-prisoner-holocaust/

This is an account of Auschwitz written at some unspecified time in 1944 by a Soviet POW named Pavel Gavrish. I've never heard this name before and there are no mentions of "Gavrish" on the forum or in the CODOH library. From a quick Google search, this is about the only relevant thing I could find (aside from recent articles): https://auschwitz.ru/en/auschwitz/resis ... telegrams/

The Russians decided to release it for Jan 27 which is the anniversary of the Russians taking over the camp.
The Russian Federal Security Service (FSB) has dedicated the release of the historic document to the 78th anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz-Birkenau camp by Soviet forces, which is marked on Friday.

Over a million people, mainly Jewish, Polish and Soviet prisoners, were executed at the death camp in southern Poland between 1940 and 1945, with senior lieutenant Pavel Gavrish being a witness to many of those terrifying events.


Here's how it describes the crematorium/gas chamber.

The Soviet officer also described the design of the infamous Auschwitz crematorium, which, in his words, was equipped with “state-of-the-art Nazi technology.”

This “enterprise to exterminate humanity” consisted of a leakproof gas chamber for 3,000 people with a window through which a gas container was deployed, and another premises that contained 15 ovens, the Soviet officer wrote. The two areas were connected by rail tracks, with cars used to deliver dead bodies to the incinerators.

“There were days when the number of those burnt reached 25,000 to 30,000 people,” Gavrish wrote. The victims, including elderly, women and children, were told that they were going to a bathhouse as they were sent to their death.

All of the Jews arriving at Auschwitz-Birkenau were killed, while some of the young and more healthy representatives of other nationalities were spared and turned into workers at the camp.


25,000 to 30,000 per day? Bodies sent to the ovens via rail car? Preposterous.

I wonder what other material the Russians have that they've never bothered to release. I am convinced that they have some good stuff but they have little incentive to debunk "the Holocaust." While their spin on it is a little different that the Jewish version, WWII and Hitler are still a major part of their own national mythology.

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Re: Russia declassifies 1944 Auschwitz report by POW Pavel Gavrish (from RT)

Postby curioussoul » 4 months 1 week ago (Sun Jan 29, 2023 11:20 am)

Seems similar to many other reports about conveyor belts and railroad carts moving bodies to the crematoria. This was common in early reports and even turned up in some reports after the Soviets overtook the camp.

Regarding how much material the Russians are sitting on: tons and tons. There probably exists documents, or have existed, that categorically refute the Holocaust. The problem is that much of it was probably intentionally destroyed or discarded by the Soviets, and what remains rots away in closed archives. Not even the Auschwitz Museum has released all their documents, and people are not allowed there to do research except in specially-approved cases and by museum staff.

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Re: Russia declassifies 1944 Auschwitz report by POW Pavel Gavrish (from RT)

Postby borjastick » 4 months 1 week ago (Sun Jan 29, 2023 11:34 am)

Over a million people, mainly Jewish, Polish and Soviet prisoners, were executed at the death camp in southern Poland between 1940 and 1945, with senior lieutenant Pavel Gavrish being a witness to many of those terrifying events.
How, was he there during the main operations of the camp a year or two earlier?

which, in his words, was equipped with “state-of-the-art Nazi technology
So a lump head Commie soldier who hitherto had probably never left the Motherland knows what is German state of the art technology?

The two areas were connected by rail tracks, with cars used to deliver dead bodies to the incinerators.
Really. This doesn't ring true at all.

All in all this release by our Putin friends is just more bull and propaganda to shore up their lunatic claims of what they would like to have happened in the camp but for which there is zero evidence. From the people who gave the world the Katyn massacre and the Auschwitz death toll of 4,000,000 and who gave the world the Majdanek death toll of 1.7million...

Ladies and gentlemen I give you, and you can keep it, Clown Central.
'Of the four million Jews under Nazi control in WW2, six million died and alas only five million survived.'

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Re: Russia declassifies 1944 Auschwitz report by POW Pavel Gavrish (from RT)

Postby slob » 4 months 1 week ago (Sun Jan 29, 2023 4:18 pm)

Reading the comments on the RT article, it appears most know most of it is all codswallop. Maybe that is why the Russians have released this so called historical document(they have had over 70 years to fake and forge documents, easy peasy), knowing full well how ridiculous and scientifically impossible some of the stated particulars are?

Method in their madness?

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Postby Waldgänger » 4 months 1 week ago (Sun Jan 29, 2023 6:54 pm)

The Spiteful Robot Villains could burn 25,000 per day! That would be A Holocaust And A Half after one year (25k x 365 = 9.1 million). They could've done all the world's Jews in under two. And imagine the Typhus spread with 30,000+ dead bodies all piled around waiting for burning. Birkenau must've looked like a regular stadium after a world cup final football riot.

The earlier the reports, the wackier they are, but the also the more time passes and the more "survivors" pass away, the wackier the stories will get again, because these cartoons will be all they have left.

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Re: Russia declassifies 1944 Auschwitz report by POW Pavel Gavrish (from RT)

Postby Merlin300 » 4 months 1 week ago (Mon Jan 30, 2023 3:33 am)

The Soviet officer also described the design of the infamous Auschwitz crematorium, which, in his words, was equipped with “state-of-the-art Nazi technology.


Soviet propaganda differs from British, American, French and Zionist propaganda in that it was directed at Capitalism.
The trope is that the Nazis were just the natural result of capitalism where workers were worked to death and their bodies were
converted to raw material. chemicals, soap, fertilizer at Majdanek;. All in the "Factory of Death" with its smoking chimneys and
exploitative conditions.

The application of advanced technology to mass murder was part of the trope.



The propaganda of the various anti-German groups reflected that bias of that group.
Zionist propaganda usually contained more images of hellish scenes with demonic Germans, vast blazing pits, and martyr like victims.
English propaganda focused on individuals with quirky perversions.
The French had the Germans being clever but evil:
See MM. VAILLANT-COUTURIER testimony at IMT
The system had been improved. Instead of making the selection at the place where they arrived, a side line now took. the train practically right up to the gas chamber; and the stopping place, about 100 meters from the gas chamber, was right opposite our block though, of course, separated ,from us by two rows of barbed wire. Consequently, we saw the unsealing of the cars and the soldiers letting men, women, and children out of them. We then witnessed heart-rending scenes; old couples forced to part from each other, mothers made to abandon their young daughters, since the latter were sent to the camp, whereas mothers and children were sent to the gas chambers. All these people were unaware of the fate awaiting them. They were merely upset at being separated, but they did not know that they were going to their death. To render their welcome more pleasant at this time-June-July 1944-an orchestra composed of internees, all young and pretty girls dressed in little white blouses and navy blue skirts, played during the selection, at the arrival of the trains, gay tunes such as "The Merry Widow," the "Barcarolle" from "The Tales of Hoffman," and so forth. They were then informed that this was a labor camp and since they were not brought into the camp they saw only the small platform surrounded by flowering plants. Naturally, they could not realize what was in store for them. Those selected for the gas chamber, that is, the old people, mothers, and children, were escorted to a red-brick building.

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Re: Russia declassifies 1944 Auschwitz report by POW Pavel Gavrish (from RT)

Postby cold beer » 4 months 1 week ago (Mon Jan 30, 2023 11:11 pm)

Merlin300 wrote:
Soviet propaganda differs from British, American, French and Zionist propaganda in that it was directed at Capitalism.
The trope is that the Nazis were just the natural result of capitalism where workers were worked to death and their bodies were
converted to raw material. chemicals, soap, fertilizer at Majdanek;. All in the "Factory of Death" with its smoking chimneys and
exploitative conditions.

The application of advanced technology to mass murder was part of the trope.

I've never heard it put in that perspective. It does make perfect sense.
But is the history of the soap story etc. part of Majdanek propaganda?

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Postby Fred zz » 4 months 1 week ago (Tue Jan 31, 2023 12:44 am)

No, not part of Majdanek history. The telling of the story of using human remains as fertilizer is true. There is sign at crematoria there.
Hmmm Why is it they did not make human fertilizer at Auschwitz?
History is never a one-sided story.

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Postby cold beer » 4 months 1 week ago (Tue Jan 31, 2023 1:00 am)

Fred zz wrote:No, not part of Majdanek history. The telling of the story of using human remains as fertilizer is true. There is sign at crematoria there.
Hmmm Why is it they did not make human fertilizer at Auschwitz?


Although I'm not prepaied to provide examples I've seen several instances of witnesses and others claiming that cremains from Auschwitz were sold as fertilizer.
But then oddly enough there was a video of someone acting as a tour guide, for from what I recall, was a group of students, he pointed to a field near the area of the crematoriums at Birkenau claiming it was a site where cremains where buried. He explained that nothing will grow there.

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Re: Russia declassifies 1944 Auschwitz report by POW Pavel Gavrish (from RT)

Postby hermod » 4 months 1 week ago (Tue Jan 31, 2023 11:05 pm)

cold beer wrote:
Merlin300 wrote:
Soviet propaganda differs from British, American, French and Zionist propaganda in that it was directed at Capitalism.
The trope is that the Nazis were just the natural result of capitalism where workers were worked to death and their bodies were
converted to raw material. chemicals, soap, fertilizer at Majdanek;. All in the "Factory of Death" with its smoking chimneys and
exploitative conditions.

The application of advanced technology to mass murder was part of the trope.

I've never heard it put in that perspective. It does make perfect sense.
But is the history of the soap story etc. part of Majdanek propaganda?


Yes and No.

No: see Fredzz's comment above.

Yes: The soap story was a rehash of the WW1 corpse-factory story. When Majdanek was captured by the Red Army, The Christian Century of Chicago couldn't fail to note and say: "The parallel between this story and the "corpse factory" atrocity tale is too striking to be overlooked." And the parallel was so striking because the German corpse factories of the First World War had also been said to produce soap and fertilizer, together with explosives, lubricant grease, pigs' food and even margarine.



"[Austen Chamberlain] has done western civilization a great service by refuting at least one of the slanders against the Germans
because a civilization which leaves war lies unchallenged in an atmosphere of hatred and does not produce courage in its leaders to refute them
is doomed.
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Deutsche Allgemeine Zeitung, on the public admission by Britain's Foreign Secretary that the WWI corpse-factory story was false, December 4, 1925

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Postby hermod » 4 months 1 week ago (Tue Jan 31, 2023 11:17 pm)

Fred zz wrote:No, not part of Majdanek history. The telling of the story of using human remains as fertilizer is true. There is sign at crematoria there.
Hmmm Why is it they did not make human fertilizer at Auschwitz?


The Majdanek museum needs a big update. It's still full of outdated Soviet propaganda lies...

"[Austen Chamberlain] has done western civilization a great service by refuting at least one of the slanders against the Germans
because a civilization which leaves war lies unchallenged in an atmosphere of hatred and does not produce courage in its leaders to refute them
is doomed.
"

Deutsche Allgemeine Zeitung, on the public admission by Britain's Foreign Secretary that the WWI corpse-factory story was false, December 4, 1925

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Postby cold beer » 4 months 6 days ago (Thu Feb 02, 2023 2:43 am)

hermod wrote:
cold beer wrote:
Merlin300 wrote:
Soviet propaganda differs from British, American, French and Zionist propaganda in that it was directed at Capitalism.
The trope is that the Nazis were just the natural result of capitalism where workers were worked to death and their bodies were
converted to raw material. chemicals, soap, fertilizer at Majdanek;. All in the "Factory of Death" with its smoking chimneys and
exploitative conditions.

The application of advanced technology to mass murder was part of the trope.

I've never heard it put in that perspective. It does make perfect sense.
But is the history of the soap story etc. part of Majdanek propaganda?


Yes and No.

No: see Fredzz's comment above.

Yes: The soap story was a rehash of the WW1 corpse-factory story. When Majdanek was captured by the Red Army, The Christian Century of Chicago couldn't fail to note and say: "The parallel between this story and the "corpse factory" atrocity tale is too striking to be overlooked." And the parallel was so striking because the German corpse factories of the First World War had also been said to produce soap and fertilizer, together with explosives, lubricant grease, pigs' food and even margarine.




The article from the Christian Century is a great find. I don't think I've seen another newspaper article from the era that so blatantly casts doubt on a Holocaust atrocity story.
Thanks for posting both those articles

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Postby cold beer » 4 months 6 days ago (Thu Feb 02, 2023 2:47 am)

I probably should have referred to the Christian Century as a periodical, which is what it seems to be.

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Postby Archie » 4 months 6 days ago (Thu Feb 02, 2023 8:46 am)

cold beer wrote:I probably should have referred to the Christian Century as a periodical, which is what it seems to be.


It was the major Protestant periodical at the time. I think it’s still published, actually. They were initially fairly skeptical of what today we would call “Holocaust stories” but they came around in April/May 1945.

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Postby hermod » 4 months 6 days ago (Thu Feb 02, 2023 9:49 am)

cold beer wrote:The article from the Christian Century is a great find. I don't think I've seen another newspaper article from the era that so blatantly casts doubt on a Holocaust atrocity story.
Thanks for posting both those articles


You're welcome, cold beer. The Christian Century casted doubt on Holohoax atrocity propaganda from day one, that is, as soon as the Zionists launched their campaign of atrocity propaganda for the postwar seizure of Palestine (i.e. on November 24, 1942). And The Christian Century did that because of the big similarities with WW1 atrocity stories (rehashed propaganda lies), especially with the notorious corpse-factory story. Rabbi Stephen Wise, the cofounder of American Zionism and kickstarter of the the Holohoax, even bitterly complained about that.





































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"[Austen Chamberlain] has done western civilization a great service by refuting at least one of the slanders against the Germans
because a civilization which leaves war lies unchallenged in an atmosphere of hatred and does not produce courage in its leaders to refute them
is doomed.
"

Deutsche Allgemeine Zeitung, on the public admission by Britain's Foreign Secretary that the WWI corpse-factory story was false, December 4, 1925


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