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Re: One Third of the Holocaust

Postby PrudentRegret » 2 years 6 months ago (Tue Nov 10, 2020 10:39 am)

Archie wrote:
borjastick wrote:This one does it for me...
(31) Gas chambers 2 and 3 are designed backwards. Chamber 2 has a Zyklon B induction hole in the ceiling, but no Zyklon B traces or blue stains. Chamber 3 has heavy, floor-to-ceiling Zyklon B traces and blue stains, but no Zyklon B induction hole. And, like the roof of Krema 2 at Auschwitz, the ceiling shows no sign of a hole having ever been there. Why would chamber 2 have a Zyklon B induction hole and no traces, and chamber 3 plenty of traces but no hole?


They are all good but number 31 sort of sums it all up.

I firmly believe Cole was a revisionist/opportunist at the time and could see a jolly jape was in the making with his razor sharp observations.


Sounds like this room:
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Lots of blue ... but no holes. Welp.

That particular combination seems to have caused them a great deal of confusion with what to put on the sign.
Reinforced concrete chamber for the extermination of prisoners with carbon oxide. The gas was supplied by means of a conduit from the SS-man's booth. Cyclone B was also used here.

Haha. This is TOTALLY INCOHERENT. Even though this is one of the few "gas chambers" with the Prussian blue, they end up saying they used carbon monoxide. But then they say Zyklon "was also used here," I guess whenever the SS felt like switching it up.


Comically, when Pressac inspects Majdanek he is told that the room in your picture- with the blue staining but no ceiling hole, was used to gas Jews with hydrogen cyanide. The claim was, apparently, the SS man threw the Zyklon B over the heads of the Jews before quickly shutting the door:

The introduction of Zyklon B into Room A would have involved difficulties, described by one historian of the Majdanek Museum as follows: 'The Zyklon was introduced, not through an opening in the ceiling as in the previous chamber [B1] - there was no such opening - but rather, through the doorways before closing the doors.' Frankly speaking, it is unrealistic to imagine an SS man wearing a gas mask and with a can of Zyklon B in his hand, sprinkling the granules in the 30 cm space between the heads of the victims and the ceiling (involving the risk of the granules falling on to the floor at the front of the room) while attempting to close the door, without causing desperate escape attempts on the part of the victims.

On the grounds stated above, I do not believe that Room A could be used for homicidal purposes using Zyklon B. In rooms B1 and B2, this does of course appear technically possible, but it is unlikely that these premises were really used for this purpose.


Room A == Chamber III == The room in the picture above with the blue staining but no Zyklon introductory hole. So Pressac was not buying it.

http://vho.org/GB/Books/dth/fndMattogno.html

The room without the Prussian Blue but with the shabby "Zyklon hole" is also dubious to Pressac:

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As if that weren't enough, the room behind this one also has a crudely cut hole in the ceiling, but it is not alleged that this room was used for homicidal gassing and the room is closed to tourists:

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Re: One Third of the Holocaust

Postby TLSMS93 » 1 week 4 days ago (Mon May 29, 2023 6:06 pm)

The question is old but I saw a comment that I've been mulling over a lot lately which is the question of Aktion 1005 which alleges a German conspiracy to destroy evidence of the Holocaust, which is contradictory since they themselves claim that there is tons of evidence that the Nazis left behind, that is, they only conveniently use this narrative as they please.

What is fact is that if the Germans dismantled certain camps allegedly to hide their crimes this seems to have backfired as the most preserved camps have been reviewed for death tolls and functionality such as Majdanek, while the dismantled Belzec, Sobibor, Chelmno and Treblinka are intact in their numbers and function as “pure extermination camps”.

In short, we have an example that destroying evidence seems to play in favor of the victim and not the other way around. This in the modern legal system would sound absurd but to support a supposedly historical narrative not so much.

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Re: One Third of the Holocaust

Postby Hektor » 1 week 4 days ago (Tue May 30, 2023 4:43 am)

Stuff like "Aktion 1005" is a classic rescue device. They can't show the evidence for what they claim, hence they come up with "Blobel made it all vanish" type of copout. So it boils down to "Hitler ate his homework" once they are challenged.

The classic example is Babi Yar... depending on the source they killed 30.000 to 100.000 Jews or "Soviet Citizens" (as if something like citizenship existed there)... They 'got witnesses', but physical evidence whatsoever is never shown. So claiming that Blobel made it vanish is all to convenient.

The charade is quite obvious, but don't think for a minute that the Holocaust Cultists will ever consider revising their statements or narrative on this. They'd have to admit that this never was 'evidence based' and that their witnesses were essentially lying. And Lying was something highly rewarded in the Soviet System, at least when lies were directed at public consumption. Internal reporting may have been another matter. One of the problems with the Communist systems of centralized planning is that their information is never accurate and they also fail at prediction. And this isn't due to lack of competence, lack of effort or even maliciousness it's in the nature thereof.

Lying isn't limited to Sovietism and neither is error. It just happens to be that in the USSR or Eastern Block countries did know that their media and party controlled media was lying and hence they took stuff with a grain of salt. In Western Countries thought that, because the press isn't rigidly controlled by government and is essentially free, hence has a variety of role-players in it, that the information given by the press and presented in the media is essentially reliable and truthful..... Well, there is some incentive not to be caught out and to be more truthful, but that isn't the only incentive at work there. Journalist will try to please their boss and colleagues with what they are saying and writing... So it gets skewed into a direction.... This can be quite atrocious, when there is incentives to tell a narrative. And that's definitely the case with the Holocaust theme.

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Re: One Third of the Holocaust

Postby TLSMS93 » 1 week 3 days ago (Tue May 30, 2023 1:50 pm)

They are unable to solve the problem of wood in order to be able to cremate 1.7 million Jews, that in the Reinhardt camps, according to orthodoxy, another 1.7 million would have to be cremated in the Einsatzgruppen executions, that is, twice as much wood.

I saw an article on Codoh claiming that it would take 6 million cubic feet of wood to achieve this feat from the Reinhard fields, for the Einsatzgruppen then it would take 12 million, complete nonsense. Nor can they establish evidence that 1.7 million were sent to these dismantled camps since there is no paperwork that survived them.


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