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Re: Vincent Reynouard arrested in Scots fishing village

Postby Hektor » 1 month 2 weeks ago (Tue Apr 25, 2023 11:53 am)

hermod wrote:
Hektor wrote:"Holocaust" and "Shoah" are still the subtext for this.

Of course they want to make him look like a 'rabid' 'Antisemite' that wants to gas six million Jews. And that's why the trial is held, so journalists will write about it. By doing this continuously, they can create the impression that "Holocaust Deniers" are "rabid Antisemites" and "NAZIS" that 'want to "Gas six million Jews". Those "NGOs" tend to work quite tactically and work in accordance with a strategy. while the legal and lots of the financial information is publicly available it's never clear who is actually pulling the strings there. I suspect nothing good from them.


IMO, they just want to have him deported back to France where his trial for Holocaust revisionism will be completely unreported (as always) and will keep him in jail for life (since they know he can't be intimidated and forced to shut up).



They may try to clap more flies with one hit.
And yes, getting him to France, jailed and into perpetual legal troubles is also a goal. They try making 'an example' of him to deter other people from openly questioning the Holocaust. They would like to do this with other people as well. And it shows what it was about right from the beginning: Control. Controlling how people think about recent history and hence about present and future politics and society.

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Re: Vincent Reynouard arrested in Scots fishing village

Postby hermod » 1 month 2 weeks ago (Tue Apr 25, 2023 2:22 pm)

Hektor wrote:They may try to clap more flies with one hit.
And yes, getting him to France, jailed and into perpetual legal troubles is also a goal. They try making 'an example' of him to deter other people from openly questioning the Holocaust. They would like to do this with other people as well. And it shows what it was about right from the beginning: Control. Controlling how people think about recent history and hence about present and future politics and society.


As far as France is concerned, they don't even need to make an example of Vincent Reynouard. With Reynouard permanently silenced, Holocaust revisionism would be virtually dead in France and French-speaking countries.
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because a civilization which leaves war lies unchallenged in an atmosphere of hatred and does not produce courage in its leaders to refute them
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Re: Vincent Reynouard arrested in Scots fishing village

Postby Hektor » 1 month 2 weeks ago (Wed Apr 26, 2023 1:39 am)

hermod wrote:
Hektor wrote:They may try to clap more flies with one hit.
And yes, getting him to France, jailed and into perpetual legal troubles is also a goal. They try making 'an example' of him to deter other people from openly questioning the Holocaust. They would like to do this with other people as well. And it shows what it was about right from the beginning: Control. Controlling how people think about recent history and hence about present and future politics and society.


As far as France is concerned, they don't even need to make an example of Vincent Reynouard. With Reynouard permanently silenced, Holocaust revisionism would be virtually dead in France and French-speaking countries.


Meaning him being the last that publishes still things in this regard.

I just wonder, if there won't be other ones standing up again. For the French the Holocaust was first a side issue in general. It was more about the 'resistance' and events like the one at 'Oradour sur Glane'... But also the type of political/social purge they had after 'liberation'. With Belgium and the Netherlands this was similar. It had the character of mass hysteria and well, lynching and abusing people because they were 'collaborators' (or had sympathies with National Socialism, Fascism). It was social capital for the 'far left' in France, but also in other countries. They were also the most pushy with 'war crimes trials' and the like. France had a large leftists scene after WW2 including people 'at the best', but especially at universities... Those are the ones that still dominate the humanities, meaning people that would also deal with history there. You have to comply with their ideology to become something in academia. If you don't they have ways of getting rid of you. It used to be more conservative in the past. But bear in mind that the new students of humanities will be mostly in their 20s, perhaps 30s now. meaning they only experienced the past 20 years in France and what was taught in schools since then. If you study humanities you will have to be compliant with what academia expects of you or with what those bureaucracy expect of you. And they sniff out folks that deviate in their views. So, if you notice that something is wrong with the historical narrative, you're going to have a steep way up, there. That's unless you are financially independent and don't depend on their subsidies and salaries. But still you'd want to publish in academic journals and be with good publishers. People don't like to be 'social outcasts' so they are prone to go with the fashions and the flow there. And well, that's why the Holocaust enforcers and PC-guardians are as pushy as they are. They are scared that 'history may turn down on them'.

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Re: Vincent Reynouard arrested in Scots fishing village

Postby hermod » 1 month 2 weeks ago (Wed Apr 26, 2023 6:31 am)

Hektor wrote:Meaning him being the last that publishes still things in this regard.


Yes.

Hektor wrote:I just wonder, if there won't be other ones standing up again. For the French the Holocaust was first a side issue in general. It was more about the 'resistance' and events like the one at 'Oradour sur Glane'... But also the type of political/social purge they had after 'liberation'. With Belgium and the Netherlands this was similar. It had the character of mass hysteria and well, lynching and abusing people because they were 'collaborators' (or had sympathies with National Socialism, Fascism). It was social capital for the 'far left' in France, but also in other countries. They were also the most pushy with 'war crimes trials' and the like. France had a large leftists scene after WW2 including people 'at the best', but especially at universities... Those are the ones that still dominate the humanities, meaning people that would also deal with history there. You have to comply with their ideology to become something in academia. If you don't they have ways of getting rid of you. It used to be more conservative in the past. But bear in mind that the new students of humanities will be mostly in their 20s, perhaps 30s now. meaning they only experienced the past 20 years in France and what was taught in schools since then. If you study humanities you will have to be compliant with what academia expects of you or with what those bureaucracy expect of you. And they sniff out folks that deviate in their views. So, if you notice that something is wrong with the historical narrative, you're going to have a steep way up, there. That's unless you are financially independent and don't depend on their subsidies and salaries. But still you'd want to publish in academic journals and be with good publishers. People don't like to be 'social outcasts' so they are prone to go with the fashions and the flow there. And well, that's why the Holocaust enforcers and PC-guardians are as pushy as they are. They are scared that 'history may turn down on them'.


True. Before being a Holocaust revisionist, Vincent Reynouard was an Oradour-sur-Glane revisionist. And he still is.

Such a censorship of dissident historians was a tradition that came from the French republics ('French' Revolution) and its progeny, the Bolshevik "Workers' Heaven" ('Russian' Revolution).







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Re: Vincent Reynouard arrested in Scots fishing village

Postby Hektor » 1 month 2 weeks ago (Wed Apr 26, 2023 8:42 am)

hermod wrote:
Hektor wrote:Meaning him being the last that publishes still things in this regard.


Yes.

Hektor wrote:I just wonder, if there won't be other ....may turn down on them'.


True. Before being a Holocaust revisionist, Vincent Reynouard was an Oradour-sur-Glane revisionist. And he still is.

Such a censorship of dissident historians was a tradition that came from the French republics ('French' Revolution) and its progeny, the Bolshevik "Workers' Heaven" ('Russian' Revolution).
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They put Alsatians on trial for 'Oradour-sur-Glane

As that created too much fuss for the French themselves and could potentially make the Alsatians separatists, they tone that down though. The "NAZI-ATROCITIES" were the big thing for the Communists in France and elsewhere. To convenient, since that took off their attention from other issues that were actually more embarrassing for the (French) Elites.

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Re: Vincent Reynouard arrested in Scots fishing village

Postby hermod » 1 month 2 weeks ago (Wed Apr 26, 2023 10:00 am)

Hektor wrote:They put Alsatians on trial for 'Oradour-sur-Glane

As that created too much fuss for the French themselves and could potentially make the Alsatians separatists, they tone that down though. The "NAZI-ATROCITIES" were the big thing for the Communists in France and elsewhere. To convenient, since that took off their attention from other issues that were actually more embarrassing for the (French) Elites.


IMO, the French authorities had planned not to convict and imprison any Alsatian soldier for the Oradour tragedy (a police intervention that went wrong, Vincent Reynouard demonstrated) and they pretended to backpedal for public appeasement only after the propaganda circus on that event had made enough noise for their own political benefit. The French authorities of that time probably knew that the Oradour tragedy was not a crime but just a deplorable part of the vagaries of war.
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Re: Vincent Reynouard arrested in Scots fishing village

Postby Hektor » 1 month 2 weeks ago (Wed Apr 26, 2023 3:18 pm)

hermod wrote:
Hektor wrote:They put Alsatians on trial for 'Oradour-sur-Glane

As that created too much fuss for the French themselves and could potentially make the Alsatians separatists, they tone that down though. The "NAZI-ATROCITIES" were the big thing for the Communists in France and elsewhere. To convenient, since that took off their attention from other issues that were actually more embarrassing for the (French) Elites.


IMO, the French authorities had planned not to convict and imprison any Alsatian soldier for the Oradour tragedy (a police intervention that went wrong, Vincent Reynouard demonstrated) and they pretended to backpedal for public appeasement only after the propaganda circus on that event had made enough noise for their own political benefit. The French authorities of that time probably knew that the Oradour tragedy was not a crime but just a deplorable part of the vagaries of war.



Agree, they wanted it for propaganda purposes and creating an atmosphere suitable for them.
The purge after 'the liberation' was a problem for the French elites as well. It made the French look rather bad in several ways and it had potential to stimulate a reaction against the 'new France' as well. A backlash could also have meant a civil war there. Something nobody would really want, but with the emotions fired up it was a possibility. So having a boogeymen in the form of 'evil Nazis' was useful to them. It would also bully the Alsatians into accepting their fate of being 'French' again. It worked and occasional the Nazi-card was pulled out in France just to keep things on an even keel. On the other hand Germany was to become an important trade partner again. And France and Germany were the key ingredients to the "European Union" later. It is of course a grifters paradise now. Not really backed up by sentiment, but economic interest and folks thinking "we only can trade and travel, because of the EU". That there was trade and travel before this, people seem to have forgotten. Also that there was more policy certainty (an advantage to smaller business) as well as limitation on government spending and incentive to make 'good policy', people don't realize.

Both the FRG and the French elites pushed things into the direction of burying the occupational aspects... The Holocaust was actually a useful distraction in this. People looking to 'Auschwitz' instead on the suppression of partisan warfare and the fact that the Germans overran France rather quickly with inferior force... was conducive in that matter.


Wasn't it a Frenchman that said: "We will survive another occupation, but if we will survive another liberation, I am not sure of."

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Re: Vincent Reynouard arrested in Scots fishing village

Postby hermod » 1 month 1 week ago (Wed Apr 26, 2023 9:46 pm)

Hektor wrote:Agree, they wanted it for propaganda purposes and creating an atmosphere suitable for them.
The purge after 'the liberation' was a problem for the French elites as well. It made the French look rather bad in several ways and it had potential to stimulate a reaction against the 'new France' as well. A backlash could also have meant a civil war there. Something nobody would really want, but with the emotions fired up it was a possibility. So having a boogeymen in the form of 'evil Nazis' was useful to them. It would also bully the Alsatians into accepting their fate of being 'French' again. It worked and occasional the Nazi-card was pulled out in France just to keep things on an even keel.


Nothing less than such a big purge of right-wingers could turn a semi-Axis country like France between 1940 and 1944 into an alleged Allied country eager to be "liberated" by the worst enemies of its empire.


Hektor wrote:On the other hand Germany was to become an important trade partner again. And France and Germany were the key ingredients to the "European Union" later. It is of course a grifters paradise now. Not really backed up by sentiment, but economic interest and folks thinking "we only can trade and travel, because of the EU". That there was trade and travel before this, people seem to have forgotten. Also that there was more policy certainty (an advantage to smaller business) as well as limitation on government spending and incentive to make 'good policy', people don't realize.

Both the FRG and the French elites pushed things into the direction of burying the occupational aspects... The Holocaust was actually a useful distraction in this. People looking to 'Auschwitz' instead on the suppression of partisan warfare and the fact that the Germans overran France rather quickly with inferior force... was conducive in that matter.


As planned by the founders of the EU...

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Hektor wrote:Wasn't it a Frenchman that said: "We will survive another occupation, but if we will survive another liberation, I am not sure of."


Sounds like the French people's general opinion about "liberators" at that time (i.e. before all the pro-Allied & Holohoax propaganda indoctrination and the numerous mandatory American films of the Blum-Byrnes Agreement)...

I saw absolutely no evidence of German abuse of the population...
The attitude of the French was sobering indeed.
Instead of bursting with enthusiasm they seemed not only indifferent but sullen.
There was considerable cause for wondering whether these people wished to be ‘liberated’.

- John Eisenhower


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Re: Vincent Reynouard arrested in Scots fishing village

Postby Hektor » 1 month 1 week ago (Thu Apr 27, 2023 2:23 am)

hermod wrote:.....
Hektor wrote:Wasn't it a Frenchman that said: "We will survive another occupation, but if we will survive another liberation, I am not sure of."


Sounds like the French people's general opinion about "liberators" at that time (i.e. before all the pro-Allied & Holohoax propaganda indoctrination and the numerous mandatory American films of the Blum-Byrnes Agreement)...

I saw absolutely no evidence of German abuse of the population...
The attitude of the French was sobering indeed.
Instead of bursting with enthusiasm they seemed not only indifferent but sullen.
There was considerable cause for wondering whether these people wished to be ‘liberated’.

- John Eisenhower


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That did of course not reflect in the media at the time. Although I can imagine that French folks born prior to 1930 still could remember this for a longer time afterwards. That may have contributed to the alienation between generation that lead to the 1960s student revolt in France but also other countries. It's also significant that a longer time had to pass, before Holocaust Indoctrination on a broader scale did actually start.

Vincent is of course dealing with the undoings of people that have absorbed that image for decades by now. And actually think that it is 'a crime' to propose that there is something seriously wrong with the narrative that has been created.

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Re: Vincent Reynouard arrested in Scots fishing village

Postby Whodunnit? » 1 month 1 week ago (Thu Apr 27, 2023 2:49 am)

hermod wrote:
Hektor wrote:Agree, they wanted it for propaganda purposes and creating an atmosphere suitable for them.
The purge after 'the liberation' was a problem for the French elites as well. It made the French look rather bad in several ways and it had potential to stimulate a reaction against the 'new France' as well. A backlash could also have meant a civil war there. Something nobody would really want, but with the emotions fired up it was a possibility. So having a boogeymen in the form of 'evil Nazis' was useful to them. It would also bully the Alsatians into accepting their fate of being 'French' again. It worked and occasional the Nazi-card was pulled out in France just to keep things on an even keel.


Nothing less than such a big purge of right-wingers could turn a semi-Axis country like France between 1940 and 1944 into an alleged Allied country eager to be "liberated" by the worst enemies of its empire.


Hektor wrote:On the other hand Germany was to become an important trade partner again. And France and Germany were the key ingredients to the "European Union" later. It is of course a grifters paradise now. Not really backed up by sentiment, but economic interest and folks thinking "we only can trade and travel, because of the EU". That there was trade and travel before this, people seem to have forgotten. Also that there was more policy certainty (an advantage to smaller business) as well as limitation on government spending and incentive to make 'good policy', people don't realize.

Both the FRG and the French elites pushed things into the direction of burying the occupational aspects... The Holocaust was actually a useful distraction in this. People looking to 'Auschwitz' instead on the suppression of partisan warfare and the fact that the Germans overran France rather quickly with inferior force... was conducive in that matter.


As planned by the founders of the EU...

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Hektor wrote:Wasn't it a Frenchman that said: "We will survive another occupation, but if we will survive another liberation, I am not sure of."


Sounds like the French people's general opinion about "liberators" at that time (i.e. before all the pro-Allied & Holohoax propaganda indoctrination and the numerous mandatory American films of the Blum-Byrnes Agreement)...

I saw absolutely no evidence of German abuse of the population...
The attitude of the French was sobering indeed.
Instead of bursting with enthusiasm they seemed not only indifferent but sullen.
There was considerable cause for wondering whether these people wished to be ‘liberated’.

- John Eisenhower


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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Paul_Sartre

In his essay "Paris under the Occupation", Sartre wrote that the "correct" behaviour of the Germans had entrapped too many Parisians into complicity with the occupation, accepting what was unnatural as natural:

The Germans did not stride, revolver in hand, through the streets. They did not force civilians to make way for them on the pavement. They would offer seats to old ladies on the Metro. They showed great fondness for children and would pat them on the cheek. They had been told to behave correctly and being well-disciplined, they tried shyly and conscientiously to do so. Some of them even displayed a naive kindness which could find no practical expression.


Sartre noted when Wehrmacht soldiers asked Parisians politely in their German-accented French for directions, people usually felt embarrassed and ashamed as they tried their best to help out the Wehrmacht which led Sartre to remark "We could not be natural". French was a language widely taught in German schools and most Germans could speak at least some French. Sartre himself always found it difficult when a Wehrmacht soldier asked him for directions, usually saying he did not know where it was that the soldier wanted to go, but still felt uncomfortable as the very act of speaking to the Wehrmacht meant he had been complicit in the Occupation. Ousby wrote: "But, in however humble a fashion, everyone still had to decide how they were going to cope with life in a fragmenting society ... So Sartre's worries ... about how to react when a German soldier stopped him in the street and asked politely for directions were not as fussily inconsequential as they might sound at first. They were emblematic of how the dilemmas of the Occupation presented themselves in daily life". Sartre wrote the very "correctness" of the Germans caused moral corruption in many people who used the "correct" behavior of the Germans as an excuse for passivity, and the very act of simply trying to live one's day-to-day existence without challenging the occupation aided the "New Order in Europe", which depended upon the passivity of ordinary people to accomplish its goals.


Oy vey, let's pull out some BS-psychoanalysis to explain why the French weren't keen on dying and killing for something which was not in their interest. So a if an occupation army (which occupied the country to declared war on them) acts "morally correct" and polite, it causes moral corruption in the people of the occupied country. Think about how completely backwards this is.

Reality is: the "french resistance" was a relatively small group of communists, jews and british spies that did not have the support of the population. In other western European countries resistance was almost non-existent. Even in "Bohemia and Moravia" all partisan groups were parachuted in by Britain and the USSR. I am not exaggerating. There was no noteworthy organic resistance movement in "Czechoslovakia".

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Re: Vincent Reynouard arrested in Scots fishing village

Postby Hektor » 1 month 1 week ago (Thu Apr 27, 2023 6:15 am)

Whodunnit? wrote:.....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Paul_Sartre

In his essay "Paris under the Occupation", Sartre wrote that the "correct" behaviour of the Germans had entrapped too many Parisians into complicity with the occupation, accepting what was unnatural as natural:

The Germans did not stride, revolver in hand, through the streets. They did not force civilians to make way for them on the pavement. They would offer seats to old ladies on the Metro. They showed great fondness for children and would pat them on the cheek. They had been told to behave correctly and being well-disciplined, they tried shyly and conscientiously to do so. Some of them even displayed a naive kindness which could find no practical expression.


Sartre noted when Wehrmacht soldiers asked Parisians politely in their German-accented French for directions, people usually felt embarrassed and ashamed as they tried their best to help out the Wehrmacht which led Sartre to remark "We could not be natural". French was a language widely taught in German schools and most Germans could speak at least some French. Sartre himself always found it difficult when a Wehrmacht soldier asked him for directions, usually saying he did not know where it was that the soldier wanted to go, but still felt uncomfortable as the very act of speaking to the Wehrmacht meant he had been complicit in the Occupation. Ousby wrote: "But, in however humble a fashion, everyone still had to decide how they were going to cope with life in a fragmenting society ... So Sartre's worries ... about how to react when a German soldier stopped him in the street and asked politely for directions were not as fussily inconsequential as they might sound at first. They were emblematic of how the dilemmas of the Occupation presented themselves in daily life". Sartre wrote the very "correctness" of the Germans caused moral corruption in many people who used the "correct" behavior of the Germans as an excuse for passivity, and the very act of simply trying to live one's day-to-day existence without challenging the occupation aided the "New Order in Europe", which depended upon the passivity of ordinary people to accomplish its goals.


Sartre being of course and 'existentialist' and well Marxist, too.
His work after Stalin's death, the Critique de la raison dialectique (Critique of Dialectical Reason), appeared in 1960 (a second volume appearing posthumously). In the Critique Sartre set out to give Marxism a more vigorous intellectual defense than it had received until then; he ended by concluding that Marx's notion of "class" as an objective entity was fallacious. Sartre's emphasis on the humanist values in the early works of Marx led to a dispute with a leading leftist intellectual in France in the 1960s, Louis Althusser, who claimed that the ideas of the young Marx were decisively superseded by the "scientific" system of the later Marx. In the late 1950s, Sartre began to argue that the European working classes were too apolitical to carry out the revolution predicated by Marx, and influenced by Frantz Fanon started to argue it was the impoverished masses of the Third World, the "real damned of the earth", who would carry out the revolution.[72] A major theme of Sartre's political essays in the 1960s was of his disgust with the "Americanization" of the French working class who would much rather watch American TV shows dubbed into French than agitate for a revolution.[53]

Sartre went to Cuba in the 1960s to meet Fidel Castro and spoke with Ernesto "Che" Guevara. After Guevara's death, Sartre would declare him to be "not only an intellectual but also the most complete human being of our age"[73] and the "era's most perfect man".[74] Sartre would also compliment Guevara by professing that "he lived his words, spoke his own actions and his story and the story of the world ran parallel".[75] However he stood against the persecution of gays by Castro's government, which he compared to Nazi persecution of the Jews, and said: "In Cuba there are no Jews, but there are homosexuals".[76]


This Marxian/existentialist cross was typical for many in the intelligentsia during the era immediately after the war. It reflected in the fashion, architecture as well. Sartre may have been a bit between the chairs there. He was reading Marin Heidegger (a National Socialist) in captivity and that was indeed high brow philosophy compared to the vulgar philosophizing of Marx and Engels. So naturally he had to compensate for this by disparaging the Germans... that actually treated him rather well.

Whodunnit? wrote:Oy vey, let's pull out some BS-psychoanalysis to explain why the French weren't keen on dying and killing for something which was not in their interest. So a if an occupation army (which occupied the country that declared war on them) acts "morally correct" and polite, it causes moral corruption in the people of the occupied country. Think about how completely backwards this is.
Most French weren't keen on war with Germany (or for that matter, war with anyone else). But they were pushed into it by their elites that were committed by grandstanding and probably had a dislike for the Germans due to them performing better in industries, arts and sciences at that stage.

So yes, Sartre can't say that of course rather 'psychoanalyze" people, which is basically interpreting something into people's behavior, something which is essentially made up. Sartre lets it sound plausible, too. And I guess the 'correct' behavior of the Germans is what he and many other French people did experience during the occupation. For some that seems to have caused some cognitive dissonance indeed. And that may also explain why the French left went ape-shit over "Nazi atrocities".

Whodunnit? wrote:Reality is: the "french resistance" was a relatively small group of communists, jews and british spies that did not have the support of the population. In other western European countries resistance was almost non-existent. Even in "Bohemia and Moravia" all partisan groups were parachuted in by Britain and the USSR. I am not exaggerating. There was no noteworthy organic resistance movement in "Czechoslovakia".

Indeed, they were not the 'grass roots movements' they were made to appear. Although there were frequent broadcasts inciting the people to engage in partisan warfare. The vast majority of people did not want to do this, though. If partisan/resistance grops were perhaps a couple of thousand per country than this is a lot. There were plenty more people volunteering for the Waffen-SS.

And yes, the partisans had to be supplied from outside and this even massively. It was the partisan warfare that was unlawful not the German/Axis attempts to suppress it.

And again that's a reason to play stuff up so you can distract from the matter by muddying the waters.

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Postby hermod » 1 month 1 week ago (Thu Apr 27, 2023 7:26 am)

Whodunnit? wrote:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Paul_Sartre

In his essay "Paris under the Occupation", Sartre wrote that the "correct" behaviour of the Germans had entrapped too many Parisians into complicity with the occupation, accepting what was unnatural as natural:

The Germans did not stride, revolver in hand, through the streets. They did not force civilians to make way for them on the pavement. They would offer seats to old ladies on the Metro. They showed great fondness for children and would pat them on the cheek. They had been told to behave correctly and being well-disciplined, they tried shyly and conscientiously to do so. Some of them even displayed a naive kindness which could find no practical expression.


Sartre noted when Wehrmacht soldiers asked Parisians politely in their German-accented French for directions, people usually felt embarrassed and ashamed as they tried their best to help out the Wehrmacht which led Sartre to remark "We could not be natural". French was a language widely taught in German schools and most Germans could speak at least some French. Sartre himself always found it difficult when a Wehrmacht soldier asked him for directions, usually saying he did not know where it was that the soldier wanted to go, but still felt uncomfortable as the very act of speaking to the Wehrmacht meant he had been complicit in the Occupation. Ousby wrote: "But, in however humble a fashion, everyone still had to decide how they were going to cope with life in a fragmenting society ... So Sartre's worries ... about how to react when a German soldier stopped him in the street and asked politely for directions were not as fussily inconsequential as they might sound at first. They were emblematic of how the dilemmas of the Occupation presented themselves in daily life". Sartre wrote the very "correctness" of the Germans caused moral corruption in many people who used the "correct" behavior of the Germans as an excuse for passivity, and the very act of simply trying to live one's day-to-day existence without challenging the occupation aided the "New Order in Europe", which depended upon the passivity of ordinary people to accomplish its goals.


Oy vey, let's pull out some BS-psychoanalysis to explain why the French weren't keen on dying and killing for something which was not in their interest. So a if an occupation army (which occupied the country to declared war on them) acts "morally correct" and polite, it causes moral corruption in the people of the occupied country. Think about how completely backwards this is.

Reality is: the "french resistance" was a relatively small group of communists, jews and british spies that did not have the support of the population. In other western European countries resistance was almost non-existent. Even in "Bohemia and Moravia" all partisan groups were parachuted in by Britain and the USSR. I am not exaggerating. There was no noteworthy organic resistance movement in "Czechoslovakia".


Commoners always need the decoder ring of Holohoaxers to see the notorious "Nazi barbarity" that was finally 'proved' by shocking pics of the health disaster mainly brought about by the unparalleled bombing policy of the victors in the last operational prison & labor camps of the vanquished. :roll: :roll: :roll:



Every time Westerners don't fall fast enough or easily enough for Zionist war propaganda, most mainstream mass media call them fools delusional enough to believe in another so-called unrealistic and unfeasible appeasement of Hitler.

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"Jews Led French Maquis," said Captain Rothschild (December 15, 1944) :

"[Austen Chamberlain] has done western civilization a great service by refuting at least one of the slanders against the Germans
because a civilization which leaves war lies unchallenged in an atmosphere of hatred and does not produce courage in its leaders to refute them
is doomed.
"

Deutsche Allgemeine Zeitung, on the public admission by Britain's Foreign Secretary that the WWI corpse-factory story was false, December 4, 1925

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Postby hermod » 1 month 1 week ago (Thu Apr 27, 2023 7:45 am)

Hektor wrote:That did of course not reflect in the media at the time. Although I can imagine that French folks born prior to 1930 still could remember this for a longer time afterwards. That may have contributed to the alienation between generation that lead to the 1960s student revolt in France but also other countries. It's also significant that a longer time had to pass, before Holocaust Indoctrination on a broader scale did actually start.

Vincent is of course dealing with the undoings of people that have absorbed that image for decades by now. And actually think that it is 'a crime' to propose that there is something seriously wrong with the narrative that has been created.


The mainstream mass media of Allied countries had enlisted the peoples of Anglo-Saxon & Soviet countries for a holy war of self-defense against a madman eager for world domination, oppression and mass murder. So they could portray the Allied invasion of Europe only as a liberation of oppressed peoples welcoming the Allied armies as if the happiest event in world's history was happening.

And the mainstream mass media in France between 1940 and 1939 never missed a chance to report with many details the killings of French women, children and babies by Allied bombers. German (Northern France) and Petainist (Central & Southern France) propagandists were very efficient at spreading anti-Allied hostility and pro-Axis sympathy in the French population.
"[Austen Chamberlain] has done western civilization a great service by refuting at least one of the slanders against the Germans
because a civilization which leaves war lies unchallenged in an atmosphere of hatred and does not produce courage in its leaders to refute them
is doomed.
"

Deutsche Allgemeine Zeitung, on the public admission by Britain's Foreign Secretary that the WWI corpse-factory story was false, December 4, 1925

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Re: Vincent Reynouard arrested in Scots fishing village

Postby Hektor » 1 month 1 week ago (Thu Apr 27, 2023 10:30 am)

hermod wrote:
Hektor wrote:That did of course not reflect in ....been created.


The mainstream mass media of Allied countries had enlisted the peoples of Anglo-Saxon & Soviet countries for a holy war of self-defense against a madman eager for world domination, oppression and mass murder. So they could portray the Allied invasion of Europe only as a liberation of oppressed peoples welcoming the Allied armies as if the happiest event in world's history was happening.

Indeed that's how it was styled. Hitler the mad-man came to power in Germany oppressing the good democrats, communists and Jews for no reason and then build up an army so he could go out and conquer the world. In the process he would exterminate all those innocent Jews that have never done any wrong. Only because he hated them for no reason. That's the Allied narrative in a nut shell. Now that German armies invaded several countries helped them. But to be believable they have to suppress the reasons for this. To sell deportation and internment of Jews as 'extermination' they need to suppress any of the reasons for why this was actually done. But they can count on general ignorance of this, so the story gets sold relatively easy. There biggest problem is indeed the obnoxiousness of many of the stories they are telling.


hermod wrote:And the mainstream mass media in France between 1940 and 1939 never missed a chance to report with many details the killings of French women, children and babies by Allied bombers. German (Northern France) and Petainist (Central & Southern France) propagandists were very efficient at spreading anti-Allied hostility and pro-Axis sympathy in the French population.

I guess you mean 1944/45.

One would have to look at the publications at the time. But I guess that pretty many French noticed that the Allies didn't actually even give a rats-ass about them. That's of course a problem for the post-war narrative, but it can be superseded via propaganda. And with intimidation, which is what French 'Anti-Fascists' massively engaged in. And well, turn-coats could easily be found... Most people will go with the powerful and drop even rationally better options, if those holding the options have no power anymore.

There were however French volunteers during the battle of Berlin:
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They are mostly forgotten as is the real story of WW2. And the heavily distorted narrative was what shaped postwar Europe. Not as much in the beginning, when 'reconstruction' was the central theme, but since the 70s the narrative was used to determine how social and cultural policies should look like. There were other factors of course as well. But the image of WW2 in the public mind is the 'thought-terminating-cliche' that justifies the present in European Nations.

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Postby hermod » 1 month 1 week ago (Thu Apr 27, 2023 11:24 am)

Hektor wrote:
hermod wrote:And the mainstream mass media in France between 1940 and 1939 never missed a chance to report with many details the killings of French women, children and babies by Allied bombers. German (Northern France) and Petainist (Central & Southern France) propagandists were very efficient at spreading anti-Allied hostility and pro-Axis sympathy in the French population.

I guess you mean 1944/45.


No, I meant 1940-1944, that is after France had been militarily defeated by the Germans and before the Allied armies had invaded a significant part of France. That fact is vastly forgotten today, but Allied planes bombed French people, factories and infrastructures during the entire time when France was occupied by German soldiers and the German & Petainist press often reported the victims of those bombs as good food for anti-Allies propaganda (the Allies were called Libératueurs (Libera-killers) instead of Libérateurs (Liberators) in wartime French newspapers). The Allied bombing of France was very high in June 1944 and the following months, but it had begun several years before that time. In fact, more French citizens were killed by the Allies than by the Germans during WWII. Of course, the roman national written by DeGaulle's regime carefully concealed that fact afterwards.
"[Austen Chamberlain] has done western civilization a great service by refuting at least one of the slanders against the Germans
because a civilization which leaves war lies unchallenged in an atmosphere of hatred and does not produce courage in its leaders to refute them
is doomed.
"

Deutsche Allgemeine Zeitung, on the public admission by Britain's Foreign Secretary that the WWI corpse-factory story was false, December 4, 1925


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