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Historian to Lead Catholic Center for Holocaust Education

Postby phdnm » 8 years 10 months ago (Tue Jul 15, 2014 3:58 pm)

Historian to Lead Catholic Center for Holocaust Education at Seton Hill U.

Tim Crain’s career as a historian of Judaism began in a Roman Catholic grade school. It was there that Mr. Crain, who was raised in an Irish Catholic family, first learned about the Holocaust—and was perplexed. "To me, it really didn’t make any sense that something like this could happen," he says. "It made zero sense at all."

That experience, which began a career spent studying the intersection of Jewish and Christian history, is a fitting prelude to his being named director of the National Catholic Center for Holocaust Education at Seton Hill University, in Pennsylvania. Mr. Crain, 49, assumed his post last month. He had conducted an outreach program in Milwaukee’s Jewish community for 15 years, while working as an adjunct at Marquette University and the Universities of Wisconsin at Madison and at Milwaukee.

Mr. Crain earned a Ph.D. at Arizona State University in 1998 with specializations in modern Jewish, modern European, and modern Middle Eastern history. Before entering the field professionally, he says, he was nervous about whether he would be accepted "as a Jewish historian who’s not Jewish." He found that he was welcomed.

In fact, he says, his advocacy for greater awareness of the issues that manifested themselves in the Holocaust is sometimes bolstered by the fact that he is not Jewish.

But Mr. Crain’s purview at the center will not be limited to the study of one moment in history. "Most Holocaust centers are focused overwhelmingly on the event itself," he says. The Seton Hill center’s mission is broader, "stressing the dangers of intolerance of any people."

In that spirit, he says, he would like to expand the center’s focus from Judaism and Christianity to embrace the study of intolerance toward Islam. "Islam fits in to a T with its two sister faiths," Mr. Crain says. "In time, I would like to see less demonization of that going on."

The Jewish and Christian faiths, he says, have grown closer since World War II, a period on which he is doing research for a book about President Franklin D. Roosevelt’s relationship with Jews and his response to their situation under the Nazis. Mr. Crain says he has found that Roosevelt "did not understand in any way, shape, or form" how large the Holocaust was.

Even so, Mr. Crain believes, any direct action aimed at stopping the killing of Jews in Europe would have had only a limited effect, given the wider war effort.

While he will miss his work in Milwaukee, Mr. Crain says, there is one aspect of the move he relishes: leaving adjunct life behind. Having been an adjunct for so long while helping to support three children, he says, he will not miss the vulnerability. He is now an assistant professor, teaching classes in Seton Hill’s program in genocide and Holocaust studies.


http://chronicle.com/article/Historian-to-Lead-Catholic/147667/

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Remark from Robert Faurisson : "Mr. Tim Crain says he has found that Roosevelt "did not understand in any way, shape, or form" how large the Holocaust was."

I am not surprised. Roosevelt reacted normally at such "insufficient evidence" but he decided to play anyway the Jewish game. The same with David Frankfurter: he did not believe Jan Karski's silly story but decided, it seems, that it was good for the Jews. Why should those politicians speak their mind and be sincere?

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Re: Historian to Lead Catholic Center for Holocaust Education

Postby Hektor » 1 month 1 day ago (Tue May 09, 2023 4:11 am)

phdnm wrote:
[size=150]Historian to Lead....he says, he will not miss the vulnerability. He is now an assistant professor, teaching classes in Seton Hill’s program in genocide and Holocaust studies.


http://chronicle.com/article/Historian-to-Lead-Catholic/147667/

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Remark from Robert Faurisson : "Mr. Tim Crain says he has found that Roosevelt "did not understand in any way, shape, or form" how large the Holocaust was."

I am not surprised. Roosevelt reacted normally at such "insufficient evidence" but he decided to play anyway the Jewish game. The same with David Frankfurter: he did not believe Jan Karski's silly story but decided, it seems, that it was good for the Jews. Why should those politicians speak their mind and be sincere?



Felix Frankfurter or David Frankfurter? Judge Felix Frankfurter is well known person. Jewish, but initially something like a Holocaust Denier.

Reports began to come out of Europe as early as 1942 of the genocide that was occurring. The courageous Polish diplomat Jan Karski, with the Polish government in exile in London, twice went into the Warsaw Ghetto and reported the brutality he found directly to President Roosevelt in the White House, who sent him to see his trusted confidant Supreme Court Justice Felix Frankfurter. The great Justice listened to Karski pouring out his heart, and then said, “Mr. Karski, I am not saying you are lying, but I choose not to believe you.” There were large rallies at Madison Square Garden, but the New York Times buried stories of the massive killing on their back pages, and often did not mention that Jews were special targets.
https://www.state.gov/20-years-after-th ... agreement/
The "choose" seems to be inserted there.

Me thinks Felix Frankfurter as judge knew a liar, when he saw (or listened to) one.

Our view of the Holocaust is so complete that this now hardly seems possible, but tragedies are characterized by disbelief, and the Holocaust was no exception. When confronted with accounts of the annihilation of the Warsaw ghetto during the war, Jewish Supreme Court Justice Felix Frankfurter told his visitor, “Sir, I am not saying you are lying, I simply cannot believe what you are saying, the horrors you are describing.” That sentiment was a common one felt by many in the west for more than a decade after the end of World War II.

https://www.wbur.org/cognoscenti/2016/0 ... alex-green


It gets more dramatic:
His greatest frustration was not being believed. Recreating — verbatim — Karski’s encounter with Supreme Court Justice Felix Frankfurter, Strathairn (as Karski) is at his wits’ end as he transmits Frankfurter’s [documented] response: “I am not saying you are lying. I’m saying, I do not believe you.” Giving life to Karski’s endless agony, Strathairn relates the attempt of Shmuel Zygelboym — my parents’ friend whose son was my schoolmate in Warsaw — to alert the world of what was happening to Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto. In despair, when no one would listen, Zygelboym discharged a pistol in his mouth leaving a suicide note, which I remember reading in 1943 Montreal in the The Forverts: “The responsibility for the crime of murdering the whole Jewish population of Poland rests in the first place upon the murderers themselves, but indirectly it rests upon all humanity, the governments and peoples of the Allied States which have not yet undertaken any concrete action to stop this crime.”
https://forward.com/schmooze/318021/dav ... an-karski/

Now to me that sounds like a bunch of psychopath trying to manipulate others into guilt, shame and compliance.

There is of course the issue of interest as well. People comply with obnoxious demands, when they consider this to be in their interest.
And that's how people get their positions. By compliance, complying with what the group wants or seems to want. Preemptive obedience.

Jan Karski in acting an award-deserving performance:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YVTfG_qE2Y

It's over the top dramatic what Karski did there, but it worked and he became a a performer afterwards as well. I'd guess he got some fee for his speeches, too. Don't think he was for free.

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Re: Historian to Lead Catholic Center for Holocaust Education

Postby Whodunnit? » 1 month 1 day ago (Tue May 09, 2023 5:12 am)

I didn't expect to laugh that hard at this video, but I did.

Some quick info about the guy:

Private life
In 1965 he married a 54-year-old Varsovian of Jewish origin Pola Nireńska-Karski ( 1910 – 1992 ), a well-known dancer and choreographer. They were married to her tragic suicide in July 1992[ 30 ]. They had no children[ 31 ]. Jan Karski's brother also died in suicide, Marian Kozielewski ( 1897 – 1964 )[ 11 ][ 32 ]. A friend of Jan Karski for the last 8 years of her life was a fashion designer Kaya Mirecka-Ploss

Kaya Mirecka-Ploss, born Hanna Adela Czech ( ur. September 12 1924 in Piekary Śląskie) is a writer, fashion designer, and social activist.

Biography
She comes from a poor Silesian family with Polish-German-Hungarian-Jewish roots



He's not jewish, but.... And apparently there are some cases of mental illness in his family.

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Re: Historian to Lead Catholic Center for Holocaust Education

Postby borjastick » 1 month 1 day ago (Tue May 09, 2023 5:35 am)

I think I am correct in saying that jews, mostly ashkenazis of course, suffer a far higher incidence of mental health issues than do other groups of people. Well, if you are a member of a cult (judaism) and are brainwashed from birth that everyone and his dog hates you and wants to see you dead, and that Adolf killed 6m of your ancestors, then you might indeed go a little bit bat shit bonkers.

I have said this before that if jews acted normally and were kind to other non jews and rid themselves of this superiority position, and also learned that 6m were not killed they might become far more well adjusted and accepted by others.
'Of the four million Jews under Nazi control in WW2, six million died and alas only five million survived.'

'We don't need evidence, we have survivors' - israeli politician

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Re: Historian to Lead Catholic Center for Holocaust Education

Postby Hektor » 1 month 1 day ago (Tue May 09, 2023 7:04 am)

Whodunnit? wrote:I didn't expect to laugh that hard at this video, but I did.

Some quick info about the guy:

Private life
In 1965 he married a 54-year-old Varsovian of Jewish origin Pola Nireńska-Karski ( 1910 – 1992 ), a well-known dancer and choreographer. They were married to her tragic suicide in July 1992[ 30 ]. They had no children[ 31 ]. Jan Karski's brother also died in suicide, Marian Kozielewski ( 1897 – 1964 )[ 11 ][ 32 ]. A friend of Jan Karski for the last 8 years of her life was a fashion designer Kaya Mirecka-Ploss

Kaya Mirecka-Ploss, born Hanna Adela Czech ( ur. September 12 1924 in Piekary Śląskie) is a writer, fashion designer, and social activist.

Biography
She comes from a poor Silesian family with Polish-German-Hungarian-Jewish roots

He's not jewish, but.... And apparently there are some cases of mental illness in his family.



Well, or perhaps those people were just ordinary, while they got up into arms about all the lies he was telling. We won't know.
But perhaps some more research will indeed dig out more biographical details he is telling. And yes, he is a pathological liar and actor. The only reason that he never won the Oscar is that the predecessor of Steven Spielberg though his acting was too bad. He tries to play a tragic role, but it comes over as comedy. Just that the gullible audience doesn't dare to laugh. That would be impious towards this apostle of the Holocaust.

The thing is that by listening to other "Holocaust Witnesses" I also picked up this pathological lying and story telling. And yes, it becomes more clear with those that specifically claim to have witnessed homicidal gassings. VRBA/Wetzler are interesting in this regard. So are several others. With liars there is virtually always something in their voice and their gestures and acting that can give it away. It's however something more discernable when watching from a distance. When one is confronted directly of them like a captivated audience, they virtually never become aware that they are being lied to.

And well... There is a reason they have those "Holocaust Survivor" and "Witness programs" running letting them talk to (actually preach and holovangelize) gullible audiences. Preferable kids that is, but also students, church groups etc. And the setting got something of a church. Just that there isn't obvious a sermon and they don't sing neither.

And yes, Lanzmann made that Shoah movie.... But actually he did do Revisionism a big favor by being more blatant than necessary. Except for the 8hour movie... there is apparently lots of other material available that isn't in the movie. And it actually indicates some of the manipulations he was using to make his shockumentary.

If you really think about it. The manipulation is actually more than visible... It's not even clever. It's well organized or managed, but content-wise not so clever. But it is repetitive, varying and assertive and pushing the emotional buttons. So it persists also thanks to all those dimwits that were enabled to attend university and get degrees the past 50 years. They are less prudent than the academics of previous generations. As well as more arrogant and gullible at the same time and also amoral, while being the biggest hypermoralizers imaginable. That's the state of affairs there and it shows also socially and culturally.

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Re: Historian to Lead Catholic Center for Holocaust Education

Postby hermod » 1 month 1 day ago (Tue May 09, 2023 11:06 am)

Hektor wrote:There is of course the issue of interest as well. People comply with obnoxious demands, when they consider this to be in their interest.
And that's how people get their positions. By compliance, complying with what the group wants or seems to want. Preemptive obedience.

Jan Karski in acting an award-deserving performance:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YVTfG_qE2Y

It's over the top dramatic what Karski did there, but it worked and he became a a performer afterwards as well. I'd guess he got some fee for his speeches, too. Don't think he was for free.


When your country is being occupied by two powerful neighbors, you of course need help from another powerful country if you're to get national independence again. Helping the influential Zionists of America to sell their atrocity stories for the postwar Jewish seizure of Palestine couldn't be useless to some Poles under such circumstances.

"[Austen Chamberlain] has done western civilization a great service by refuting at least one of the slanders against the Germans
because a civilization which leaves war lies unchallenged in an atmosphere of hatred and does not produce courage in its leaders to refute them
is doomed.
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Deutsche Allgemeine Zeitung, on the public admission by Britain's Foreign Secretary that the WWI corpse-factory story was false, December 4, 1925

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Re: Historian to Lead Catholic Center for Holocaust Education

Postby Hektor » 1 month 1 day ago (Tue May 09, 2023 1:04 pm)

hermod wrote:
Hektor wrote:There is of course....


When your country is being occupied by two powerful neighbors, you of course need help from another powerful country if you're to get national independence again. Helping the influential Zionists of America to sell their atrocity stories for the postwar Jewish seizure of Palestine couldn't be useless to some Poles under such circumstances.



Jan Karski is said to have been a courier for the Polish government in exile and had to move through Axis controlled territory for this task. Now hat talent does one need to move through hostile territory? Honesty could be a problem there.

And being an employee of the 'Polish government in Exile' would also mean that he would tell stories in a way that would have benefited his employer. After all there is community of interest. Pushing America into increasing the War effort is best done by painting the enemy in the darkest light possible. And knowing that the Jews are influential in the US, of course they portray this enemy as Jew-exterminator par excellence.

I think Frankfurter may have smelled a rat their, but could of course not prove in detail that Karski was a liar. So he was a bit more polite then. To me the gesture, mimicking and voice of Karski is telling. The USHMM has quite some footage staring Karski telling his heart-wringing stories:
https://collections.ushmm.org/search/catalog/irn1003915 with Lanzmann
https://collections.ushmm.org/search/catalog/irn1003656
https://collections.ushmm.org/search/catalog/irn506527

From the Lanzmann interviews:
The Jewish leaders wanted Karski to go to other government officials with messages. They wanted the Allied governments to publicly announce that they would deal with the problem of the extermination of the Jews and to drop leaflets over the German population, telling them that the Germans would be held responsible. Karski was also asked to take messages to certain Jewish members of the exiled Polish government, including Szmul Zygielbojm and Dr. Schwarzbald of the National Council and Dr. Leon Grossfeld of the Polish Socialist Party. The two representatives made it clear that he was not to relay the message to any non-Polish Jewish leader because they feared that it would fuel anti-Polish propaganda. Karski discusses the frustration of Feiner and Bermann that the Home Army refused to supply Polish Jews with weapons. Lanzmann and Karski discuss whether this proves that these two representatives anticipated the Warsaw ghetto uprising.


That indicates of course who was most pushy on the issue. Karski got a position as professor later. He doesn't appear to bright to me although he got another "talent" with him that only requires mediocre intelligence.

There is of course another issue. Didn't the US or the British have spies in occupied Poland? What did they tell about the matter? Did they confirm this or not?


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