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Auschwitz torture cells?

Postby Soza » 3 weeks 3 days ago (Tue May 16, 2023 11:57 am)

I saw a video claiming there were standing cells in Auschwitz utilized to torture Jews. Can anybody provide some insight on this?

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Postby Hektor » 3 weeks 3 days ago (Tue May 16, 2023 2:01 pm)

You could provide the video for starters.


What does the allegation base on. Hearsay? A thorough investigation?

Apparently, there were prison cells in Auschwitz. But essentially this only prevented imprisoned inmates from visiting the post office, cafeteria, swimming pool, etc. And they couldn't socialize with the other inmates.

I also heard there was corporal punishment for certain offences and I think some of the guards could get rough. On the other hand, most problems an inmate could have was probably from other prisoners.

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Re: Auschwitz torture cells?

Postby Soza » 3 weeks 3 days ago (Tue May 16, 2023 2:35 pm)

Hektor wrote:You could provide the video for starters.


What does the allegation base on Hearsay? A thorough investigation?

Apparently, there were prison cells in Auschwitz. But essentially this only prevented imprisoned inmates from visiting the post office, cafeteria, swimming pool, etc. And they couldn't socialize with the other inmates.

I also heard there was corporal punishment for certain offences and I think some of the guards could get rough. On the other hand, most problems an inmate could have was probably from other prisoners.


Unable to locate the exact video that was seen.

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Re: Auschwitz torture cells?

Postby Soza » 3 weeks 3 days ago (Tue May 16, 2023 2:48 pm)

Hektor wrote:You could provide the video for starters.


What does the allegation base on. Hearsay? A thorough investigation?

Apparently, there were prison cells in Auschwitz. But essentially this only prevented imprisoned inmates from visiting the post office, cafeteria, swimming pool, etc. And they couldn't socialize with the other inmates.

I also heard there was corporal punishment for certain offences and I think some of the guards could get rough. On the other hand, most problems an inmate could have was probably from other prisoners.


Here is a photo that looks similar to what I had saw. I believe it belongs on Block 11
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Re: Auschwitz torture cells?

Postby curioussoul » 3 weeks 3 days ago (Tue May 16, 2023 3:55 pm)

Soza wrote:Here is a photo that looks similar to what I had saw. I believe it belongs on Block 11


Block 11 was the prison block of the Main Camp. They sentenced prisoners to corporal punishment for crimes committed inside the camp. But there were no torture cells for Jews.

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Re: Auschwitz torture cells?

Postby Hieldner » 3 weeks 3 days ago (Tue May 16, 2023 5:03 pm)

In Auschwitz Stammlager Block 11, the camp prison, there are four cells in the basement that measure about 90 cm × 90 cm which are too small to lie down in (3D panorama: https://panorama.auschwitz.org/tour1,2946,en.html) where punished prisoners would have to spend consecutive nights in. There were also standing cells in Barracks 2 of the men’s camp BIb in Birkenau. (D. Czech, Kalendarium, 1989, p. 324).
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It is claimed that prisoners to be punished were locked into these cells with three other prisoners. So according to this story, the prison guards put three more random people in there when a prisoner had committed a crime punishable by being put in a standing cell. This claim is apparently based on the report of an anonymous released prisoner. (C. Mattogno. The Making of the Auschwitz Myth, 2021, p. 135). Since these standing cells aren’t too small to sit down in, the whole thing had to be dramatised, apparently. Moreover, the cells are mere reconstructions, just like the other “reconstructions” located at Auschwitz:

Hans Langbein writes about the new commandant (cf. Kalendarium of 23 November 1943) in his book "Menschen in Auschwitz" (People in Auschwitz): "Liebehenschel ushered in a new era in the history of Auschwitz. His reforms first concerned Block 11 (the political police), since the arbitrary shootings in this block had provided the impetus for all the changes (the replacement of Höss and Mildner and the arrest of Grabner). He stopped the periodic selections followed by shootings in the bunker. Executions were still carried out later, but further away from the (main) camp in the crematoria in Birkenau. He had the standing cells demolished, which offered no place to sit or lie down and in which prisoners had been punitively locked up until then. He issued a general bunker amnesty and later had the Black Wall [that is the execution wall, C. S.] demolished. He also abolished the order to shoot anyone caught trying to escape; under the cover of this order, the unpopular could be eliminated without further ado ... From now on, apprehended fugitives were to be transferred to another concentration camp […]"

Danuta Czech. Kalendarium der Ereignisse im Konzentrationslager Auschwitz-Birkenau 1939–1945, 1989, p. 1011.


Concerning torture: According to the IMT, it is a “fact of common knowledge” that during the war the company Krupp produced boxes which looked like wardrobes, but were in fact torture boxes! (IMT XVI, p. 556–7).

As an aside: why is there a prison in an alleged death camp?
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Re: Auschwitz torture cells?

Postby Hektor » 3 weeks 3 days ago (Tue May 16, 2023 5:17 pm)

Soza wrote:
Hektor wrote:You could provide the video for starters.


What does the allegation base on. Hearsay? A thorough investigation?

Apparently, there were prison cells in Auschwitz. But essentially this only prevented imprisoned inmates from visiting the post office, cafeteria, swimming pool, etc. And they couldn't socialize with the other inmates.

I also heard there was corporal punishment for certain offences and I think some of the guards could get rough. On the other hand, most problems an inmate could have was probably from other prisoners.


Here is a photo that looks similar to what I had saw. I believe it belongs on Block 11


Looks like a stable for rabbits or small stock.

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Re: Auschwitz torture cells?

Postby slob » 3 weeks 3 days ago (Tue May 16, 2023 5:22 pm)

The nazis were fiendish with their warped imaginations for barbarity and cruelty!

Not Auschwitz, but Dachau


Newcastle Evening Chronicle Tuesday 05 March 1940

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Re: Auschwitz torture cells?

Postby hermod » 3 weeks 3 days ago (Tue May 16, 2023 9:27 pm)

Hans Fritzsche in solitary confinement "in cell where he cannot lie down" at the Soviet prison of Lubianka.





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Re: Auschwitz torture cells?

Postby hermod » 3 weeks 3 days ago (Tue May 16, 2023 9:45 pm)

Good to know that corporal punishments couldn't be carried out in the German camps without a formal and motivated request in writing and a written permission from the central office for the administration of concentration camps.





Wikipedia page about standing cells: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standing_cell
"[Austen Chamberlain] has done western civilization a great service by refuting at least one of the slanders against the Germans
because a civilization which leaves war lies unchallenged in an atmosphere of hatred and does not produce courage in its leaders to refute them
is doomed.
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Deutsche Allgemeine Zeitung, on the public admission by Britain's Foreign Secretary that the WWI corpse-factory story was false, December 4, 1925

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Re: Auschwitz torture cells?

Postby Hektor » 3 weeks 2 days ago (Wed May 17, 2023 6:30 am)

hermod wrote:Good to know that corporal punishments couldn't be carried out in the German camps without a formal and motivated request in writing and a written permission from the central office for the administration of concentration camps.
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Wikipedia page about standing cells: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standing_cell


Recall this and that abuses were explicitly prohibited towards guards. Question is if it was enforced... Meaning: Were guards that abused prisoners punished?

Perhaps more documents on concentration camp regulations should be collected.


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