Poland

[cold beer]

I'm new to the Holocaust debate and I'm looking for some basic background
In listening to a few testimonies there is frequent mention of hostilities toward Jews in Poland prior to the war and then amplified during the period after the Germans drove the Russians out of Poland.

Many survivors say that antisemitism was far more prevalent in Poland than in Germany prior to the war.
What were these hostilities based on?

[hermod]

I'm new to the Holocaust debate and I'm looking for some basic background
In listening to a few testimonies there is frequent mention of hostilities toward Jews in Poland prior to the war and then amplified during the period after the Germans drove the Russians out of Poland.

http://winstonsmithministryoftruth.blog ... ewish.html

Many survivors say that antisemitism was far more prevalent in Poland than in Germany prior to the war.
What were these hostilities based on?

These hostilities were based on Jews themselves. Jews are the best promoters of anti-semitism. Anti-semitism follows Jewry as flies follow cattle...

[cold beer]

Thank you for the reply.
Is there any source for information on what exactly it was that preceded these hostilities?

[Mkk]

Some would say these hostilities were based just upon the fact that Poland has Europe's largest Jewish population.

1918-1939 Poland also had a policy [like many other European states at the time] of disrespect for minorities.

[Carto's Cutlass Supreme]

Polish antisemitism is essential for Zionism. Afterall if the Poles aren't anti-semitic, why should everyone leave and move to Israel?

Some of the biggest frauds like Rachel Auerbach writing "In the Fields of Treblinka" or Samuel Wilenberg's book "Treblinka" are obvious liars, but within their work is Polish anti-semitism. Why? They were promoting Zionism.

[cold beer]

Some would say these hostilities were based just upon the fact that Poland has Europe's largest Jewish population.

1918-1939 Poland also had a policy [like many other European states at the time] of disrespect for minorities.

How do you come to the conclusion that Poland itself had a policy of antisemitism and what brought it about?

[cold beer]

Polish antisemitism is essential for Zionism. Afterall if the Poles aren't anti-semitic, why should everyone leave and move to Israel?

Some of the biggest frauds like Rachel Auerbach writing "In the Fields of Treblinka" or Samuel Wilenberg's book "Treblinka" are obvious liars, but within their work is Polish anti-semitism. Why? They were promoting Zionism.

I can easily accept that many of the individual episodes that are claimed are flat out lies, but the existence of a pre-war conflict between Jews and Poles sounds genuine.
The reason being is that the Jewish survivors will typically also give accounts of violence following the Russian retreat from eastern Poland. Some will reluctantly attribute actions by Poles as revenge for the crimes committed by Bolsheviks during their occupation. By citing crimes of the Bolsheviks, who I'm assuming were viewed by the Poles as being Jewish led, it lends credence to the accounts by Jews by way of admitting that those crimes occurred.

That may be a mistaken assumption on my part.

In reading accounts and listening to testimony I get the strong sense of a half truth, that there were hostilities between Jews and Poles pre-war but the reasons for it are being written off as the teaching of the Church alone.
To me this is as implausible as saying Germans were caught up in a wave of hatred propelled by Nazi propaganda, which otherwise had no cause or reason to exist

It's like being told, terrorists hate America or Americans because of their freedoms

The story about what took place leading up to WW2 gnaws at me because it doesn't add up, it's incomplete.

[cold beer]

Some of the biggest frauds like Rachel Auerbach writing "In the Fields of Treblinka" or Samuel Wilenberg's book "Treblinka" are obvious liars, but within their work is Polish anti-semitism. Why? They were promoting Zionism.

What claims did they make?

[Hannover]

Search Auerbach at this forum to read about her deranged claims.

see this example:
Rachel Auerbach on Treblinka

- Hannover

(edit: above link added)

[Hannover]

cold beer said:

How do you come to the conclusion that Poland itself had a policy of antisemitism and what brought it about?

Mkk did not say there was a policy of antisemitism in Poland, Mkk said:

Some would say these hostilities were based just upon the fact that Poland has Europe's largest Jewish population.
1918-1939 Poland also had a policy [like many other European states at the time] of disrespect for minorities.

Also, for a robust discussion on atrocities by Poles against Germans, see:
Polish Atrocities against Germans before 1. September 1939

- Hannover

[cold beer]

cold beer said:

How do you come to the conclusion that Poland itself had a policy of antisemitism and what brought it about?

Mkk did not say there was a policy of antisemitism in Poland, Mkk said:

Some would say these hostilities were based just upon the fact that Poland has Europe's largest Jewish population.
1918-1939 Poland also had a policy [like many other European states at the time] of disrespect for minorities.

Also, for a robust discussion on atrocities by Poles against Germans, see:
Polish Atrocities against Germans before 1. September 1939

- Hannover

He did say a policy of disrespect for minorities , I figured that to be the equivalent concerning Jews.
My question is still the same either way, nations don't just arbitrarily come up with these policies, there must be a backdrop for it

[Hannover]

cold beer:
While your OP seemed to be aimed at the 'holocaust' debate forum, it appears we're going astray.
Let's not get too far afield here, I suggest you read our guidelines. More & more it seems you should post to the WWII forum which deals with the build-up to war, but not specifics of the 'holocaust' storyline. FWIW.

- Hannover

[cold beer]

cold beer:
Please do not get too far afield here, I suggest you read our guidelines. More & more it seems you should post to the WWII forum which deals with the build-up to war, but not specifics of the 'holocaust' storyline.

- Hannover

Yeah I was unsure about where this should go because it seems to overlap, sorry about that

[Hannover]

Also, there was a lot going on in Poland of that period, perhaps a more focused, specific thread may be best, rather than 'Poland'.

Thanks, Hannover

[cold beer]

Also, there was a lot going on in Poland of that period, perhaps a more focused, specific thread may be best, rather than 'Poland'.

Thanks, Hannover

I'd be at a lost for posting a more focused thread at this point because i don't have enough general knowledge on this question yet
All I really know to this point is that there are widespread accusations of hostilities towards Jews by groups other than Germans both during and immediately prior to the war, and I'm trying to get a handle on the causes which go beyond attributing it all to racism
I centered my question on Poland because the Jews claim that it was more prevalent there than anywhere else including Germany, so I'm expecting to find that a cause(s) was cited for it.