Files Likely to Spur Holocaust Research
Nov 18 12:08 PM US/Eastern
By ARTHUR MAX
Associated Press Writer
BAD AROLSEN, Germany
The 21-year-old Russian sat before a clerk of the U.S. Army Judge Advocate's office, describing the furnaces at Auschwitz, the Nazi death camp where he had been a prisoner until a few weeks previously.
"I saw with my own eyes how thousands of Jews were gassed daily and thrown by the hundreds into pits where Jews were burning," he said.
"I saw how little children were killed with sticks and thrown into the fire," he continued. Blood flowed in gutters, and "Jews were thrown in and died there"; more were taken off trucks and cast alive into the flames.
Today the Holocaust is known in dense and painful detail. Yet the young Russian's words leap off the faded, onionskin page with a rawness that transports the reader back to April 1945, when World War II was still raging and the world still knew little about gas chambers, genocide and the Final Solution.
The two pages of testimony, in a file randomly plucked off a shelf, are among millions of documents held by the International Tracing Service, or ITS, an arm of the International Committee of the Red Cross.
This vast archive _ 16 miles of files in six nondescript buildings in a German spa town _ contains the fullest records of Nazi persecutions in existence. But because of concerns about the victims' privacy, the ITS has kept the files closed to the public for half a century, doling out information in minimal amounts to survivors or their descendants on a strict need-to-know basis.
This policy, which has generated much ill-feeling among Holocaust survivors and researchers, is about to change.
In May, after years of pressure from the United States and survivors' groups, the 11 countries overseeing the archive agreed to unseal the files for scholars as well as victims and their families. In recent weeks the ITS' interim director, Jean-Luc Blondel, has been to Washington, The Hague and to the Buchenwald memorial with a new message of cooperation with other Holocaust institutions and governments.
ITS has allowed Paul Shapiro, of the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington, to look at the files and has also given The Associated Press extensive access on condition no names from the files are revealed unless they have been identified in other sources.
"This is powerful stuff," said Shapiro, leafing through the file containing the Russian's statement and some 200 other testimonies that take the reader into the belly of Hitler's death machine _ its camps, inmates, commandants, executioners and trusted inmates used as low- level guards and known as kapos.
"If you sat here for a day and read these files, you'd get a picture of what it was really like in the camps, how people were treated. Look _ names and names of kapos, guards _ the little perpetrators," he said.
Moved to this town in central Germany after the war, the files occupy a former barracks of the Waffen-SS, the Nazi Party's elite force. They are stored in long corridors of drab cabinets and neatly stenciled binders packed into floor-to-ceiling metal shelves. Their index cards alone fill three large rooms.
Mandated to trace missing persons and help families reunite, ITS has allowed few people through its doors, and has responded to requests for information on wartime victims with minimal data, even when its files could have told more.
It may take a year or more for the files to open fully. Until then, access remains tightly restricted. "We will be ready any time. We would open them today, if we had the go-ahead," said Blondel.
When the archive is finally available, researchers will have their first chance to see a unique collection of documents on concentration camps, slave labor camps and displaced persons. From toneless lists and heartrending testimony, a skilled historian may be able to stitch together a new perspective on the 20th century's darkest years from the viewpoint of its millions of victims.
"The overall story is pretty well established, but many details will be filled in," said Yehuda Bauer, professor of Holocaust Studies at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem.
"There is a great deal of very interesting material on a very large number of concentration camps that we really don't know much about," he said. "It may contain surprises. We don't know. It has material that nobody's ever seen."
A visitor to the archive comes into direct contact with the bureaucracy of mass murder.
In a bound ledger with frayed binding, a copy of a list of names appears of Jews rounded up in Holland and transported to the death camps. Buried among the names is "Frank, Annelise M," her date of birth (June 12, 1929), Amsterdam address before she went into hiding (Merwerdeplein 37) and the date she was sent to a concentration camp (Sept. 3, 1944).
Frank, Annelise M. is Anne Frank.
She was on one of the last trains to Germany before the Nazi occupation of Holland crumbled. Six months later, aged 15, she died an anonymous death, one of some 35,000 casualties of typhus that ravaged the Bergen-Belsen camp. After the war, "The Diary of Anne Frank," written during her 25 months hiding in a tiny apartment with seven others, would become the most widely read book ever written on the Holocaust.
But most of the lives recorded in Bad Arolsen are known to none but their families.
They are people like Cornelis Marinus Brouwenstijn, a Dutchman who vanished into the Nazi gulag at age 22 for illegally possessing a radio. In a plain manila envelope are his photo, a wallet, some snapshots, and a naughty typewritten joke about women in the army.
After the war, his family repeatedly wrote to the Red Cross asking about him. In 1949, his parents received a terse form letter saying he died sometime between April 19 and May 3, 1945, in the area of a German labor camp. The personal effects, however, remained in Bad Arolsen, and with the family long deceased, there is no one left to apply for their return.
To critics who accuse them of being tightfisted with their information, the Red Cross and ITS counter that they have to abide by German privacy laws and protect the reputations of victims whether alive or dead. They say the files may contain unsubstantiated allegations against victims, and that opening up to researchers would distract ITS from its main task of providing documentation to survivors or victims' relatives.
One area of study that will benefit from the ITS files is the "Lebensborn" program, in which children deemed to have the "proper genes" were adopted or even kidnapped to propagate the Aryan master race of Hitler's dreams.
Another subject is the sheer scope of the Holocaust system. The files will support new research from other sources showing that the network of concentration camps, ghettos and labor camps was nearly three times more extensive than previously thought.
Postwar historians estimated about 5,000 to 7,000 detention sites. But after the Cold War ended, records began pouring out of the former communist nations of East Europe. More sites were disclosed in the last six years in claims by 1.6 million people for slave labor reparations from a $6.6 billion fund financed by the German government and some 3,000 industries.
"We have identified somewhere in the neighborhood of 20,000 camps and ghettos of various categories," said Geoffrey Megargee of the Holocaust Museum in Washington, who is compiling a seven-volume encyclopedia of these detention centers.
The archive has some 3.4 million files of DPs _ Displaced Persons. They include names such as John Demjanjuk and Viorel Trifa, who immigrated to the United States and later became internationally known because their role in the Holocaust came into question.
Between 1933 to 1945, the Nazi persecution grew to assembly-line proportions, slaughtering 6 million Jews and an equal number of Gypsies, homosexuals, mental patients, political prisoners and other "undesirables." Tens of millions were conscripted as forced laborers.
To operate history's greatest slaughter, the Nazis created a bureaucracy that meticulously recorded the arrest, movement and death of each victim. Sometimes even the lice plucked from heads in concentration camps were counted.
But as the pace of genocide stepped up, unknown numbers were marched directly from trains to gas chambers without being registered. In the war's final months, the bookkeeping collapsed, though the extermination continued.
What documents survived Nazi attempts to destroy them were collected by the Allies to help people find missing relatives. The first documents were sent in 1946 to Bad Arolsen, and the administration was handed over to the Red Cross in 1955.
Some 50 million pages _ scraps of paper, transport lists, registration books, labor documents, medical and death registers _ make reference to 17.5 million individuals caught up in the machinery of persecution, displacement and death.
Over the years, the International Tracing Service has answered 11 million requests to locate family members or provide certificates supporting pension claims or reparations. It says it has a 56 percent rate of success in tracing the requested name.
But the workload has been overwhelming. Two years ago it had a backlog of nearly half a million unanswered queries. Director Blondel says the number was whittled down to 155,000 this summer and will disappear by the spring of 2008. New queries have slowed to just 700 a month.
One of ITS' critics is Sabine Stein, archivist at the Buchenwald concentration camp 150 miles from Bad Arolsen. She says the archive's refusal to share its files has caused heartbreak to countless survivors and their descendants.
For instance, in 1989, Emilia Janikowska asked ITS to trace her father, Ludwig Kaminski, a coal miner from Poland who was never heard from again after his arrest in 1939. It took more than three years to send her a standard form reporting Kaminski had died in Buchenwald Dec. 1, 1939.
But there was more she could have been told.
Documents copied by the U.S. Army before they went to Bad Arolsen, which were seen by AP at Buchenwald, include mention of Kaminski. They say he was prisoner No. 8578, that he had arrived in Buchenwald six weeks earlier with 600 other Poles and had been placed in Camp 2. The known history of Buchenwald says Camp 2 was a wooden barracks and four big tents, jammed with 1,000 Poles and Vienna Jews. Dozens of inmates died from the cold that winter. The cause of Kaminski's death was pneumonia.
No one ever told his daughter any of this.
"We had no news from my father since the moment he was arrested," Janikowska said when contacted at her home in Krakow, Poland. She now wants more information for a compensation request.
Archivist Stein says: "Former inmates and their families want to see some tangible part of their history; they want to tell their stories," she said. "What I find most frustrating is that they have all these documents and they are just sitting on them."
Earlier this month, ITS went some way to make amends, delivering a full inventory of its records on Buchenwald and promising to give priority in searching for 1,000 names Stein had requested.
Compounding the delay in releasing the files is the cumbrous makeup of the governing committee. Any decision on their future requires the assent of all 11 member nations _ Belgium, Britain, France, Germany, Greece, Israel, Italy, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Poland and the United States.
Last May's agreement to open the archive stipulates that it will remain off-limits until formal ratification by the 11 governments. After that, each of the 11 countries can have a digital copy of the files and decide who has access to it.
But some delegations are worried the process will take too long, at a time when aged survivors are dying every day.
"What victims of these crimes fear the most is that when they disappear _ and it's happening very fast now _ no one will remember the names of the families they lost," said Shapiro of the Washington museum, who was a delegate to the talks.
"It's not a diplomatic timetable, and not an archivist's timetable, but the actuarial table. If we don't succeed in having this material public while there are still survivors, then we failed," he said.
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AP correspondents Melissa Eddy in Buchenwald, Randy Herschaft in Washington D.C., and Monika Scislowska in Warsaw contributed to this report.
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International Tracing Service: http://www.its-arolsen.org/
U.S. Holocaust Museum: http://www.ushmm.org/
Yad Vashem: http://www.yadvashem.org/
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The very word holocaust is a pejorative to every German citizen. There was no holocaust,
just lies from the abandoned race.
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So it was not just 300 labor camps, not even 5000, but well more than that!
Now think about this logic.
Imagine you have taken over an area the size of the USA and Canada and parts of South America.
And established labor camps, in many towns and cities. Perhaps 10,000.
The plan is hatched to gas a certain ethnicity, say Irish people , of which there are 7,000,000 in the region.
Would any person with half a brain really place all 6 death camps or gas chamber camps in a small region of Vermont.
Would it really make sense to transport hundreds of the Irish from Managua, Nicaragua or Vancouver, Canda to Vermont, so they could be gassed ?
If one wanted secrecy there are thousands of places in the USA where such camps could be established 40 miles from any town. What
would make Vermont so special a place.
The obvious answer is nothing. The storytellers were backed into this tiny corner and left to extrapolate their pre- determined number of victims.
So, 6 camps, out of perhaps 10,000 detention camps, are left to produce 6,000,000 victims.
If it was the case that gas chambers to kill people were being operated, ANYWHERE, word would have spread rapidly over the occupied regions and people would have fought against any deportation.
Recall the fear and mass exodus of the South Vietnamese when their country fell to Communism in 1975. These folks were in a panic.
They were deathly afraid of how they would be treated by the North.
( I know we read about the fear of the Jews being deported, but thankfully we have movies that show the opposite, no fear and no panic)
But why is it the Jews were not afraid ?
Let Elie Wiesel tell you: As he said, when he was treated by Nazi doctors in the Auschwitz hospital, " I was treated quite good ". If that one statement does not undermine the entire Holocaust hoax, and prove to people the Nazi's were fair and humane to the detainees, nothing will.
Now think about this logic.
Imagine you have taken over an area the size of the USA and Canada and parts of South America.
And established labor camps, in many towns and cities. Perhaps 10,000.
The plan is hatched to gas a certain ethnicity, say Irish people , of which there are 7,000,000 in the region.
Would any person with half a brain really place all 6 death camps or gas chamber camps in a small region of Vermont.
Would it really make sense to transport hundreds of the Irish from Managua, Nicaragua or Vancouver, Canda to Vermont, so they could be gassed ?
If one wanted secrecy there are thousands of places in the USA where such camps could be established 40 miles from any town. What
would make Vermont so special a place.
The obvious answer is nothing. The storytellers were backed into this tiny corner and left to extrapolate their pre- determined number of victims.
So, 6 camps, out of perhaps 10,000 detention camps, are left to produce 6,000,000 victims.
If it was the case that gas chambers to kill people were being operated, ANYWHERE, word would have spread rapidly over the occupied regions and people would have fought against any deportation.
Recall the fear and mass exodus of the South Vietnamese when their country fell to Communism in 1975. These folks were in a panic.
They were deathly afraid of how they would be treated by the North.
( I know we read about the fear of the Jews being deported, but thankfully we have movies that show the opposite, no fear and no panic)
But why is it the Jews were not afraid ?
Let Elie Wiesel tell you: As he said, when he was treated by Nazi doctors in the Auschwitz hospital, " I was treated quite good ". If that one statement does not undermine the entire Holocaust hoax, and prove to people the Nazi's were fair and humane to the detainees, nothing will.
The very word holocaust is a pejorative to every German citizen. There was no holocaust,
just lies from the abandoned race.
just lies from the abandoned race.
The 21-year-old Russian sat before a clerk of the U.S. Army Judge Advocate's office, describing the furnaces at Auschwitz, the Nazi death camp where he had been a prisoner until a few weeks previously.
"I saw with my own eyes how thousands of Jews were gassed daily and thrown by the hundreds into pits where Jews were burning," he said.
He must have had a VIP pass, to see the gassing process with his own eyes, day after day.
I wonder about the pits...where are they?
"This is powerful stuff," said Shapiro, leafing through the file containing the Russian's statement and some 200 other testimonies that take the reader into the belly of Hitler's death machine _ its camps, inmates, commandants, executioners and trusted inmates used as low- level guards and known as kapos.
Even more testimonies? They all have been demolished right here. They describe the absurd and they violate laws of science..
When the archive is finally available, researchers will have their first chance to see a unique collection of documents on concentration camps, slave labor camps and displaced persons.
That looks promising. But could they describe what the 'researchers' category stands for?
Between 1933 to 1945, the Nazi persecution grew to assembly-line proportions, slaughtering 6 million Jews and an equal number of Gypsies, homosexuals, mental patients, political prisoners and other "undesirables."
12 million deaths?
To operate history's greatest slaughter, the Nazis created a bureaucracy that meticulously recorded the arrest, movement and death of each victim. Sometimes even the lice plucked from heads in concentration camps were counted.
But as the pace of genocide stepped up, unknown numbers were marched directly from trains to gas chambers without being registered. In the war's final months, the bookkeeping collapsed, though the extermination continued.
How convenient. Lots, and lots of records of people who died every day, even lice!!! But when it comes to gas chambers, they got nothing.
If Human Soap rumour was fake, why can´t all the other absurd claims be too??
ITS has allowed Paul Shapiro, of the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington, to look at the files and has also given The Associated Press extensive access on condition no names from the files are revealed unless they have been identified in other sources.
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But most of the lives recorded in Bad Arolsen are known to none but their families.
They are people like Cornelis Marinus Brouwenstijn...
And so it begins, lying hypocracy stacked upon lying hypocracy. Ya just gotta laugh.
These files have been looked at by probably thousands over the years. If any data was supporting of the hoax we would have seen it years ago. I will be very interested in seeing any reports by eye witnesses to gassings in Auschwitz 1. We know alledged 'gassing was moved from here when inmates could see what was going on'. Van Pelt & Dork say the morgue was 'falsified' to look like a gas-chamber after the war. Lets see how the liars try to keep their stories straight. It should be fun.
There was no holocaust.
Tit 1:14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.
Tit 1:14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.
This is the most remarkable nonsense that has come along in a long time. Why would the Nazis count the lice on the head of a Jew that was slated to be gassed. Why would they even care.
If the Nazis did count lice as claimed perhaps it was because they were conducting a health study among inmates which shoots another hole in the story. Himmler did order that the number of deaths due to disease needed to be reduced.
How come the International Red Cross which had access to all the camps during the war did not mention any gas chambers in their final report written in the late 1940s. Not a single word in all of 1600 pages.
If the Nazis did count lice as claimed perhaps it was because they were conducting a health study among inmates which shoots another hole in the story. Himmler did order that the number of deaths due to disease needed to be reduced.
How come the International Red Cross which had access to all the camps during the war did not mention any gas chambers in their final report written in the late 1940s. Not a single word in all of 1600 pages.
Frank, Annelise M. is Anne Frank.
She was on one of the last trains to Germany before the Nazi occupation of Holland crumbled. Six months later, aged 15, she died an anonymous death, one of some 35,000 casualties of typhus that ravaged the Bergen-Belsen camp. After the war, "The Diary of Anne Frank," written during her 25 months hiding in a tiny apartment with seven others, would become the most widely read book ever written on the Holocaust.
But what they do not tell you is that Frank was sent to Auschwitz first, and was then evacuated to Bergen-Belsen. So if Auschwitz was an 'industrialized death camp', then why didn't they kill Anne Frank there? And more so, if the Germans were intent on 'killing every Jew they could get their hands on' then why didn't they kill Anne Frank outright instead of expending precious resources moving her around?.
Some 50 million pages _ scraps of paper, transport lists, registration books, labor documents, medical and death registers _ make reference to 17.5 million individuals caught up in the machinery of persecution, displacement and death.
Yet as the Germans supposedly kept these detailed 'descriptions of death', not a single document talking of gassings or murder, not one.
What documents survived Nazi attempts to destroy them were collected by the Allies to help people find missing relatives. The first documents were sent in 1946 to Bad Arolsen, and the administration was handed over to the Red Cross in 1955.
Huh? How can that be when these Arolsen documents are said to be conclusive proof of the now '12,000,000'? I guess the German just happened to miss these '50 million incriminating documents'. They knew exactly where the Russian were and had plenty of time to evacuate Auschwitz. And of course, they do not mention the thousands upon thousands of Jews that chose to evacuate WITH the SS. Nor can they explain why the Germans would allow 'witnesses' to stay behind.
... ITS has kept the files closed to the public for half a century, doling out information in minimal amounts to survivors or their descendants on a strict need-to-know basis.
This policy, which has generated much ill-feeling among Holocaust survivors and researchers, is about to change.
What absolute rubbish.
It has been the 'holocaust' Industry that has prevented full & open access. Only 'approved researchers' have been, and will continue to be, the only ones allowed unfettered access. After all, an open, rational mind will see exactly what is NOT there and will be able to compare these records against other claims and shoot down lie after lie.
This is really just too easy.
- Hannover
If it can't happen as alleged, then it didn't.
Last night, Sun 19/11/06, Prime TV News had a segment on the opening of the Bad Arolsen records.
In mentioning Anne Frank, Prime TV News left the impression she was sent off to her death in Auschwitz. This morning I sent the station news this email.
It's the little things like this that make getting up in the morning worthwhile. I don't think I'll hold my breath though while waiting for a public correction.
Cheers.
In mentioning Anne Frank, Prime TV News left the impression she was sent off to her death in Auschwitz. This morning I sent the station news this email.
Prime TV News, Sunday 19/11/06.
Anne Frank was sent to Auschwitz, later transfered to Bergen Belson where she died of typhus.
Like a pack of lying Zionist snakes, you conveniently left out that little detail to deceive and promulgate a most wicked lie.
No words are strong enough to show my utter contempt for a pack of liars who continue to slander and smear an entire nation and generation of Germans. Well it does'nt work around here, we all know, THERE WAS NO HOLOCAUST.
PUBLICALLY REPENT, else I hope you like fire & brimstone, if you dont, you had better get a taste for it as you have an eternity of it coming.
Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all LIARS, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
I laugh at your stupidity
It's the little things like this that make getting up in the morning worthwhile. I don't think I'll hold my breath though while waiting for a public correction.
Cheers.
There was no holocaust.
Tit 1:14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.
Tit 1:14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.
Postwar historians estimated about 5,000 to 7,000 detention sites. But after the Cold War ended, records began pouring out of the former communist nations of East Europe. More sites were disclosed in the last six years in claims by 1.6 million people for slave labor reparations from a $6.6 billion fund financed by the German government and some 3,000 industries.
"We have identified somewhere in the neighborhood of 20,000 camps and ghettos of various categories," said Geoffrey Megargee of the Holocaust Museum in Washington, who is compiling a seven-volume encyclopedia of these detention centers.
Oops. They shoot themselves in the foot again.
So when the question is asked, 'If the transports to Auschwitz weren't all 'gassed', then where did they go?', the reply is to "20,000 camps and ghettos".
Could it be that the outbound records from Auschwitz have been found?
The liars will never allow general public access because the public would see the house of cards that is the absurd 'holocaust'.
And we must wonder when the forced laborers enslaved by the communists will be compensated. Oh, I forgot, communism was a judeo-supremacist contrivance and it's 'antisemitic' to hold judeo-supremacists accountable for their actions.
- Hannover
If it can't happen as alleged, then it didn't.
"...20,000 camps and ghettos." Just bare suspicion on my part but I'm sensing a fallback position in the making. The reduced numbers of deaths and lack of forensics at the traditional death camps, Auschwitz, Treblinka, etc., require the discovery of new sources for the maintenance of the holy 6 million number. The new reality could be, "We knew that 6 million were exterminated but we didn't know exactly where they were killed so we just assumed it was in the camps that we knew about." That would cover quite nicely the reductions at Auschwitz, the lack of mass graves at Treblinka and so on. I don't know if this post qualifies since I can't factually defend a suspicion but perhaps it will serve as a 'you saw it here first' if my suspicion, or a version of it, indeed proves correct.
Welcome to The Revisionist Forum, Atigun. Where all the 'holocaust' lies and liars are debunked with ease.
You said:
Not a chance, Revisionists will be all over that.
The question begging to be asked will be, 'How did they know 6,000,000 Jews and 6,000,000 'others' were killed in the first place?' There is nothing they can use to substantiate their claims that haven't been shot down already. It's one hell of a position for them to be in.
- Hannover
You said:
"We knew that 6 million were exterminated but we didn't know exactly where they were killed so we just assumed it was in the camps that we knew about." That would cover quite nicely the reductions at Auschwitz, the lack of mass graves at Treblinka and so on.
Not a chance, Revisionists will be all over that.
The question begging to be asked will be, 'How did they know 6,000,000 Jews and 6,000,000 'others' were killed in the first place?' There is nothing they can use to substantiate their claims that haven't been shot down already. It's one hell of a position for them to be in.
- Hannover
If it can't happen as alleged, then it didn't.
Here is an e-mail which came back from Arolsen after inquiring if they could reference a single document which shows an inmate's death to have been caused by Zyklon-B poisoning.
It's remarkable.
unfortunately, we cannot reference a single document listing the death of a detainee due to gassing by Zyklon-B. As a rule, the Nazis gave other causes of death for inmates, who perished in the concentration camps.
With kind regards,
U. Jost
Archival Manager
It's remarkable.
unfortunately, we cannot reference a single document listing the death of a detainee due to gassing by Zyklon-B. As a rule, the Nazis gave other causes of death for inmates, who perished in the concentration camps.
With kind regards,
U. Jost
Archival Manager
So, in other words, they 'know' Jews were gassed but have no evidence. Try that in a real court of law.
That quote is the absurd 'holocaust' in a nutshell. Judeo-supremacists demand we belive in what is scientifically impossible as alleged, there are no mass graves to support the story, there are no authentic German documents to substantiate the tales, and the 'eyewitnesses' are no more reliable than UFO/alien abduction 'testimonies' (which are actually more numerous).
Their only recourse is to continue lying and arrest innocent people for Thought Crimes.
- Hannover
If it can't happen as alleged, then it didn't.
From author Friedrich Paul Berg:
Follow-up:
-haldan
"Three times more extensive than previously thought"
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In today's local newspaper, (Nov 24, 2006) there is an Associated Press story by Arthur Max with the title: "Newly opened Nazi files paint dark picture." I am sure that story, with different titles, is available throughout the world and should be read by all posters here at RODOH.
The lead line says BAD AROLSEN, Germany.
The entire story is too long to give here--but the following paragraphs are especially important:
"Another subject is the sheer scope of the Holocaust system. The files will support new research from other sources showing that the network of concentration camps, ghettos and labor camps was nearly three times more extensive than previously thought.
Postwar historians extimated about 5,000 to 7,000 detention sites. But after the Cold War ended, records began pouring out of the former communist nations of East Europe. More sites were disclosed in the past six years in claims by 1.6 million for slave labor reparations from a $6.6 billion fund financed by the German government and about 3,000 industries.
To operate history's greatest slaughter, the Nazis created a bureaucracy that meticulously recorded the arrest, movement and death of each victim. ...."
The text is not as explicit as one would like, but it does suggest that the number of so-called "detention sites" is now being "revised" to more than 15,000. Could it be that the answer to Nick Terry's puzzler about the locations of places where Jews were resettled is in those files? I think so because most, if not all, of the 10,000 newly discovered sites were to the east of the AR camps where Jews had supposely all been terminated with diesel exhaust, or gasoline engine exhaust, or cyanide.
An internet address for the International Tracing Service is given on the same newspaper page as: its-arolsen.org
Friedrich Paul Berg
Learn everything at www.nazigassings.com
Nazi Gassings Never Happened! Niemand wurde vergast!
Follow-up:
RESETTLEMENT and "Three times more extensive than previously thought"
The link to the entire AP story about which I sent an e-mail earlier is:
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/ ... s1124.html
The important question for revisionists is how many of those "camps" were in fact "resettlement camps?" The exterminationists will, no doubt, continue to insist that the answer is "none at all." They must do that or else they are ruined.
The text I included before speaks of the newly discovered camps as "detention sites." That is an interesting term which implies some kind of 24-hour security of the people detained. The most minimal security for any "detention site" would have required four heavily armed guards in order to maintain 3 shifts of security with at least a sergeant to supervise the other three guards. But, we are not talking any longer about a few large camps. We are talking about at least 10,000 newly discovered "detention sites." That works out to at least 40,000 heavily armed men to guard the 10,000 "detention sites," assuming they were all in operation at the same time. That is an awful lot of armed troops for a time when Germany was desperate for troops.
Of course, I do not know enough about these camps to be certain of their true natures--but the number 10,000 itself is humungous--and the true number may even be much higher. The very size of these numbers implies that the role of these camps was vastly different from what is being alleged. I have no doubt that a great many of these camps were in fact "resettlement camps" with NO security at all--where whoever the residents were made the best of their lives with great personal freedom, working for the Germans at least part of their time in exchange for money and/or supplies.
Friedrich Paul Berg
Learn everything at www.nazigassings.com
Nazi Gassings Never Happened! Niemand wurde vergast!
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Postwar historians estimated about 5,000 to 7,000 detention sites. But after the Cold War ended, records began pouring out of the former communist nations of East Europe. More sites were disclosed in the last six years in claims by 1.6 million people for slave labor reparations from a $6.6 billion fund financed by the German government and some 3,000 industries.
"We have identified somewhere in the neighborhood of 20,000 camps and ghettos of various categories," said Geoffrey Megargee of the Holocaust Museum in Washington, who is compiling a seven-volume encyclopedia of these detention centers.
That is phenomenal! I had no idea the system was so large! Hopefully at least more general info will come out, such as numbers of registered at these places and so forth.
To operate history's greatest slaughter, the Nazis created a bureaucracy that meticulously recorded the arrest, movement and death of each victim. Sometimes even the lice plucked from heads in concentration camps were counted.
What the?
The 21-year-old Russian sat before a clerk of the U.S. Army Judge Advocate's office, describing the furnaces at Auschwitz, the Nazi death camp where he had been a prisoner until a few weeks previously.
"I saw with my own eyes how thousands of Jews were gassed daily and thrown by the hundreds into pits where Jews were burning," he said.
"I saw how little children were killed with sticks and thrown into the fire," he continued. Blood flowed in gutters, and "Jews were thrown in and died there"; more were taken off trucks and cast alive into the flames.
Today the Holocaust is known in dense and painful detail. Yet the young Russian's words leap off the faded, onionskin page with a rawness that transports the reader back to April 1945, when World War II was still raging and the world still knew little about gas chambers, genocide and the Final Solution.
I would like to know the exact date of this "deposition" , made by the young russian.
The russians liberated Auschwitz in February 1945 and a few days later they started to tell us about "6 millions gassed".
This "deposition" is made after the russians started with the Hoax.
Please correct me if I am wrong.
"I saw with my own eyes how thousands of Jews were gassed daily and thrown by the hundreds into pits where Jews were burning," he said.
"I saw how little children were killed with sticks and thrown into the fire," he continued. Blood flowed in gutters, and "Jews were thrown in and died there"; more were taken off trucks and cast alive into the flames.
Today the Holocaust is known in dense and painful detail. Yet the young Russian's words leap off the faded, onionskin page with a rawness that transports the reader back to April 1945, when World War II was still raging and the world still knew little about gas chambers, genocide and the Final Solution.
I would like to know the exact date of this "deposition" , made by the young russian.
The russians liberated Auschwitz in February 1945 and a few days later they started to tell us about "6 millions gassed".
This "deposition" is made after the russians started with the Hoax.
Please correct me if I am wrong.
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