Gas-tight doors and the German Air Raid Shelter Technology

[Friedrich Paul Berg]

Much has been made of some gas-tight doors in Auschwitz and Maidanek by the holocaust hoax promoters at USHMM and elsewhere, Pressac for example. On my own website I have put some material on my index pages 3 at http://www.nazigassings.com/index3.html One telling feature of the actual gas-tight doors was that they were made to be opened from the inside as well as from the outside.

Some new information will interest at least technically inclined readers, especially if they can read German. Robert Faurisson's suggestion that the technical issues have all been solved and need not be pursued further is totally wrong and harmful.

http://www.bochumer-bunker.de/index.html

http://gasmasklexikon.com/Page/info1.htm

http://gasmasklexikon.com/Page/Germ-Mil-Gasschutz.htm

It is also useful to look again at the excellent work of Samuel Crowell in the CODOH archive:

http://74.125.93.104/search?q=cache:XkS ... clnk&gl=us

Friedrich Paul Berg
Learn everything at www.nazigassings.com
Nazi Gassings Never Happened! Niemand wurde vergast!

[Kiwichap]

FPB: " Robert Faurisson's suggestion that the technical issues have all been solved and need not be pursued further is totally wrong and harmful."

I can't agree with that. I don't think Faurisson is suggesting 'the technical issues have all been solved'. How could they they be? The story is ever changing. Even liars are smart enough to know they will need to get the technicalities within the bounds of reason if they want with their next assault on 'reasonable' people to have any chance of succeeding. And who knows what the next scam detail will be. Should Jews ever rule with unquestionable power, then we will just have to believe the nonsense they say or suffer for it.

We are dealing with folk who have only AFFIRMED for the last 60 years, there was a holocaust. The evidence they have presented has been silly and childish. They have not presented any evidence that has not been easily shot down in flames in the minds of reasonable folk. So the liars are left with only their AFFIRMATION. A silly affirmation which makes some sort of sense to them. If you are suggesting FPB, that the technicalities will reveal to folk the falsity of the holohoax, who are NOT Jewish and NOT steeped in Talmudic clap-trap since childhood, then you are correct. If you are suggesting the technicalities, the science, will reveal the lies of the hoax to Jewish folk, then you are sadly mistaken.

We need to understand the so-called, Jewish faith. The Jewish faith affirms that they are GOD. The Jewish people is their OWN GOD. The Talmud itself is god also. Being god, they can say and do what they like with impunity. It is not surprising they have the idea they are god, as they have rejected any other God and so are left alone, with only themselves to consider. Folk can do their own study of this creepy idea if they choose. Michael Hoffmans' revisionist history site is a good place to start. Should you think Jews do not today subscribe to such things, then consider this funny little story with a very salient point.

Hamburg Jewish Community leader fired over vague heritage

Published: 9 Apr 09 12:39 CET
Online: http://www.thelocal.de/national/20090409-18553.html

The chairman of the Hamburg Jewish Community (Jüdische Gemeinde in Hamburg), and member of the Hamburg state parliament, was dismissed last week because records showed he was not Jewish, news magazine Der Spiegel reported on Thursday. [...]

In a press statement on Tuesday, the community said they had felt obliged to dismiss Wankum because “even after receiving five written demands, he did not produce any documents that gave evidence of his Judaism.”The lack of evidence for Wankum’s professed faith emerged after a routine check carried out at the end of the year, the statement said.

Who finds it strange that one should need to produce documents to prove ones faith. Did God sign a piece of paper for him when he first believed? Of cause not! So we see the Jewish faith is no faith at all, but a documentary written on paper and approved by rabbis. Filthy lucre, a goodly amount, can sway the rabbi.

I think Faurisson's statements are directed toward arguing and debating with folk who believe they are god. It is like trying to push water up hill with a rake. A pointless thankless task that will never get anywhere. God keeps changing the story to make it possible for the Jewish mind to deceitfully receive such nonsense. Folk who do not understand this will have a disastrous effect, not only on themselves, but will destroy any credibility they have with reasonable folk.

Faurisson cleverly sees the need for us to only AFFIRM, when it comes to interaction between us and the liars.

AFFIRMATION AGAINST AFFIRMATION!

FAITH against FAITH.

Thats the way do battle with liars. Evidential Truth has no effect on folk who have chosen to be liars. Just consider the last few decades of revisionist victory over the liars. There has been NO victory. Any victory is only in our minds. We are the ones going to jail. We are the ones getting fined, sacked, and slandered. Crumb's, in the USA they are about to pass hate laws, specifically but darkly, designed to combat and stifle this very subject. Get a clue! (I do believe going to prison for the truth is a great victory. The GREATEST)

AFFIRMATION AGAINST AFFIRMATION. A good example of how this works is now being played out before us all. The case of Bishop Williamson.

The man said: "I don't believe any Jews were gassed" ergo: "I believe Jews are LYING"

He AFFIRMED his belief, apologized to any his statement may have upset (what was that all about?), then he tucked tail and slid outta sight saying nothing more.

What has been the effect? The gates of hell have opened up on the man. All the vampires have ascended from the pit, with wings flapping and mouths screeching and whining.

Foxman angrily said "If he thinks that's the end of the matter..."

Others have arrogantly said" The Pope needs to do this, or the Pope needs to do that".

The Bishop is refused entry to places he probably would never want to go to. Menorah candles are being lit all over the place. Hell hath no fury as a pack of liars up in arms, that must needs to argue and debate, to satisfy their burning souls.

Don't give the bastards any opportunity to spread their lies. You see, there is no argument against FAITH. That's why the Jews are in a right dizzy tizzy. They want to argue and debate, bitch and rumble. Their furious bleating is beautiful music to my ears. Oh, that it never ceases. If only thousands of others would just stop arguing with these ratbags and just tell them they don't believe a bloody word that comes outta their mouths. If they want to be liars then they can just go back down to the pit where they came from and lie to themselves. I'll not argue with liars.

The Jews faith is built on fables, unjust oppression, wicked courts, rotten judges, lies, nursery rhymes, non-existent graves, non-existent buildings and phantoms of their own tortured imaginations.

Our faith is built on factually sound, solid, science, reason, evidence and common sense. We have plenty to AFFIRM and we need not be worried we will be put to shame.

Faurisson is right. The essential technicalities have been proven. We don't need to continually ice the cake. We just need to open our mouths and say, "What a pack of lies. I don't believe that rubbish! Go wash your lying mouth out with your uncle Dovid Gerwitzensteinhoff".

AFFIRMATION; That's the way to get some action.

[Friedrich Paul Berg]

Faurisson is WRONG consistently on the technical issues-and the technical issues are the most powerful arguments against the holocaust hoax. For example, why are there NO forensic examination reports showing evidence of gassing victims? That's a good question.

According to a quote posted here by Kiwichap, Faurisson actually wrote the following: "I therefore suggest that the revisionists today close the book on this physical, chemical and other material research, for it is in fact taking a progressively pedantic turn. It is becoming “art for art’s sake”. These redundant studies have, above all, the disastrous effect of making a problem appear complicated when it is actually altogether easy to solve."

Merely waving a nine-word challenge in the air ("Show me or draw me a Nazi gas chamber"), which is what Faurisson believes really matters, does not get us very far--especially if one does NOT have valid arguments to back up the challenge. The nine-word challenge may get some momentary public attention but if one then insists, as Faurisson does, that mass murder with cyanide and/or Zyklon-B is practically impossible, one loses the audience--and rightly so. The "essential technicalities" are a hopeless muddle to Faurisson. But worse than that, Faurisson's call for revisionists to stop bothering any more with the technical issues is enormously harmful and undermines people like myself, and Germar Rudolf, and countless others who are looking for a technical key to undermining the hoax quickly and persuasively. For example in my case, I would love to find a railroad delousing chamber sitting in the railroad station somewhere in Auschwitz's main station and/or in Warsaw. Such discoveries would go a long way, I believe, toward collapsing the hoax with a powerful technical counter-argument.

Kiwichap's "faith against faith" approach is merely a call for some new fanaticism to oppose an older fanaticism. Without truly valid technical evidence and arguments, it is merely a call to substitute one religious pack of nonsense for another religious pack of nonsense.

Friedrich Paul Berg
Learn everything at www.nazigassings.com
Nazi Gassings Never Happened! Niemand wurde vergast!

[Hannover]

See here as the 'air tight with peepholes gas chamber doors' canard is further demolished. Here is just another example of the absolute desperate fraud of the 'holocaust' Industry.

'U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum displays standard German air-raid shelter door, describing it as the door to a gas chamber at Majdanek'
http://www.vho.org/GB/c/DT/gcturen.html
some excerpts:

At left: The door at the concentration camp Majdanek from which the USHMM made the replica which is now on display in Washington D.C.. At right, the real function of the door and thousands more like it is shown in a widely distributed German ad for bomb-shelter doors and window covers, intended for military and civilian use. Approximately 670,000 German civilians were killed in the massive Allied terror-bombing campaign directed at population centers throughout Germany.

next:

A remarkably sinister rendering of the air raid shelter door casting at the USHMM, found at their student outreach web offering. The caption there is:

"This casting of a door to the gas chamber in the Majdanek killing center, near Lublin, Poland, was commissioned by the United States Holocaust Museum in 1989. Majdanek functioned as a concentration camp, forced-labor camp, and killing center. Each gas chamber in Majdanek was fitted with an airtight metal door. It was bolted shut before gas entered the chamber inside. SS guards could observe the killing process through peepholes in the upper center of the door."
But, as can be seen from the ads and Crowell's article, this is just one of thousands of such doors that were produced in an attempt to keep the people in Germany from being blasted into eternity by the relentless carpet-bombings.

more at:
http://www.vho.org/GB/c/DT/gcturen.html

This is too easy.

- Hannover

[MrNobody]

why are there NO forensic examination reports of any gassing victims? That's a good question.


Friedrich Paul Berg
Learn everything at www.nazigassings.com
Nazi Gassings Never Happened! Niemand wurde vergast!

That is a bloody good question.

ya da thunk that with such seriously evil beings they'd have done at least one autopsy out of curiosity. (no point in mentioning the lack of any such autopsy performed by the Allies for the Kangaroo trials)

And another point, why use Zyklon B when they already had a proven "killer Gas" in the form of Mustard (Chlorine) Gas?

Why dither about with a new unproven chemical when 1. the effects of Mustard Gas where already well established (including safety & handling procedures) & 2. The German Wehrmacht already had stocks of it.

Wouldn't Technical studies had to have been done on 1. the Effectiveness of Zyklon B & 2. the Quantities (As a Measure) of Zyklon B on a given area, ie since the alleged Gas Chamber sizes varied from camp to camp & even within the camp (Auschwitz).

[Kiwichap]

FPB, as you say, "the technical issues are the most powerful arguments against the holocaust hoax."

And there is no end to the technical issues, search the forum and there they are.

FPB, The facts are all on our side. The other side has no facts whatsoever. Moreover, they do not want to hear any facts. They have pronounced they will not debate with revisionists. They have pronounced 'truth is no defense' in the courts. They have pronounced 'the manifest reality of the hoax'. They have pronounced 'Holo revisionism', essentially h-denial, is a CRIME.

Your idea of gathering more facts, at this time, to present as an argument, in this bloody minded environment, is a waste of time FPB. (not that we should not gather more facts for our own benefit)

I can just see you asking the judge: "why are there NO forensic examination reports showing evidence of gassing victims?" That is your crime FPB, just asking the question. Five years in the slammer for you lad.

You would be much better off just affirming to the judge 'There was no holocaust, folk who say there was are liars'. And accept the penalty you would have got had you TRIED to present any evidence.

Your method FPB, in the current situation, is as if a soldier gathers more wet powder and hopes his gun will fire! What folly. Can you not read the signs of the times FPB? How many arrows do you need in your quiver to hit the target FPB? Are you sure it is not your lack of faith FPB. (funny that, faith is a word folk hate to hear) Are you still trying to convince yourself FPB, there was no holocaust.

Faurisson is right. These times call for a different approach, something more than evidence is required to tip this balance.

[ASMarques]

if one then insists, as Faurisson does, that mass murder with cyanide and/or Zyklon-B is practically impossible, one loses the audience--and rightly so.

He never said that. It's perfectly clear that what he has always meant -- indeed has always said -- is mass murder with cyanide and/or Zyklon-B is practically impossible under the described conditions and leaving no detectable signs.

Indeed that's why he insisted in having Leuchter inspect the alleged "mass murder facilities" and why it is entirely correct to say that he brought down the Auschwitz gas chambers myth almost single-handedly.

Mass murder by, say, carefully sticking nails in precise vital points is possible, provided you have the time, patience and enough personnel with the necessary anatomical knowledge & dexterity to do the deed, but not if the nails are revealed to have been office pins and the alleged guilty party has no idea of the anatomical procedures, confesses to impossible absurdities under pressure etc.

It's silly to pretend that people don't understand the implicit "alleged conditions," even if it is not explicitly spelled out each and every time the word "impossible" is used.

[Friedrich Paul Berg]

Nonsense, ASMarques.

I am amazed, but not entirely surprised, that one can still have any argument as to what Faurisson believes and has actually said. What Faurisson actually wrote to John De Nugent, and I am sure to many others as well, is:

Dear Sir,

The argument of Fritz Berg has no value at all. I have told him that to his face. But maybe you are familiar with this unfortunate man's temper and zeal.

The existence of these hangars for the disinfection of trains was known for a long time, and I recall having talked about this during my first visit to the United States in 1979. Among my photo slides, in particular, I had some about a shed for the disinfection of trains (in Budapest?). I have repeated a hundred times, that gassing of inanimate objects, such as clothing, boats, trains, or facilities as sheds, churches, silos, libraries, rooms, etc. would truly be a delicate and dangerous, but not an impossible, operation. It would suffice to take a certain number of precautions, (for example, in order to avoid the spreading of the gas to the outside, explosions, etc.) and to proceed with the aeration, the ventilation of the inanimate objects at the gassing site wherein the gas could still remain. I have written of these procedures.

On the other hand, when the subject is alive, the problem becomes formidable, because the body is entirely impregnated and permeated with a virulent poison. It is for this reason that an execution gas chamber is so complicated, and that is why the doctor and his two assistants have to multiply the precautions. I will not reiterate about all they have to do and which does not guarantee much because even after all that, the corpse to be removed from the chamber, can still be hazardous. One can well imagine the formidable dangers which the piles of corpses would constitute, be they inside a shed, a house, or a so-called Nazi “gas chamber.” There is the rub. Here lies the danger and nowhere else. One ends up with a practical, total impossibility. As to my question of 1978: For me, the mass gassings are technically impossible, yet you, if you think, that this is technically possible, show it to me. You know the answer which you gave me on February 21, 1979: A jest and an admission of incapacity? And since that date I am still waiting for an answer, be it from any practical jokers, or be it from Mr. Berg.

That which the latter could never stand, that a Frenchman, imbued in the culture of classical literature, had made a kind of scientific discovery, which a German or, better yet, especially, an American chemist or engineer should have attained, because, in the United States, gas chamber facilities were present right there within their penitentiaries.

As to that, I remember that in 1917 American humanitarians had the idea that it would be easier and more humane to execute the condemned persons with gas, than with the electric chair, or hanging, or by firing squad. That's when in the course of the construction of a gas chamber the technical difficulties were discovered. After seven years of effort, the first execution took place in Carson City, Nevada, which turned out to be all but a complete catastrophe.

What would Mr. F. Berg have done had it been demanded of him to enter his shed, immediately, or some hours later after an execution in order to remove thousands of corpses, highly impermeated with cyanide, and therefore untouchable? I had put this question to him in public, and he remained silent. I have told him, “study a subject that you have never studied: about the execution gas chambers in your own country.” I remember that an American, who had followed our conversation had then made the remark, “Well, there, at least this is clear!”

Regards,

RF

With techno-cookoo arguments like Faurisson's, it is small wonder that the holocaust revisionist movement is making as little headway as it is. We might as well believe 9/11 was a CIA plot.

A more extensive answer of mine to the issues and Faurisson is at:
http://www.nazigassings.com/Railroad.html

Friedrich Paul Berg
Learn everything at www.nazigassings.com
Nazi Gassings Never Happened! Niemand wurde vergast!

[ASMarques]

Nonsense, ASMarques.

I am amazed, but not entirely surprised, that one can still have any argument as to what Faurisson believes and has actually said.

You don't seem to have noticed what I wrote, except for the fact that it was pro-Faurisson, so I won't insist. Simply read carefully my very short post, then re-read the letter you quote, and please try to get the point.

If you're implying that a pile of thousands of just gassed bodies would not present a practical impossibility for the procedures described, it seems to me that you're the one talking nonsense. Just think of the unavoidable spaces between the bodies that would trap small amounts of lethal gas. No more is really needed to see the absurdity. We're not talking of a previously emptied building being fumigated then aerated for a long period etc. We're talking about a maze of thousands of bodies. Picture that in your mind.

[Turpitz]

We might as well believe 9/11 was a CIA plot.

Mossad.

[ASMarques]

We might as well believe 9/11 was a CIA plot.

Mossad.

Yup. Perhaps not actively, but I think there is good evidence that the Mossad at least knew and kept quiet. And of course Netanyahu himself was beyond happy with the news.

Even more astounding, read Michael Collins Piper's ""Final Judgment", and I think you'll be as convinced as I am that the murder of JFK was indeed a Mossad operation, due to Kennedy's opposition to Israel going nuclear and his confrontation with Ben Gurion.

[MrNobody]

Didn't someone mention something about taking a Pedantic turn?

jeez guys keep it down.

[widmann]

Building on Fritz's post, a new useful page has been established at:
http://www.bochumer-bunker.de/html/luftschutzturen.html

This displays many examples of air raid shelter doors -- which of course are identical to the one piece of solid "evidence" on display at the USHMM in Washington D.C.

If you are interested in how this demolishes Pressac's "criminal traces" the relevant trailblazing articles by Samuel Crowell are:

Technique and Operation of German Anti-Gas Shelters in World War II
Defending Against the Allied Bombing Campaign: Air Raid Shelters and Gas Protection in Germany, 1939-1945
Bomb Shelters in Birkenau: A Reappraisal

[Friedrich Paul Berg]

ASMarques wrote the following earlier:

If you're implying that a pile of thousands of just gassed bodies would not present a practical impossibility for the procedures described, it seems to me that you're the one talking nonsense. Just think of the unavoidable spaces between the bodies that would trap small amounts of lethal gas. No more is really needed to see the absurdity. We're not talking of a previously emptied building being fumigated then aerated for a long period etc. We're talking about a maze of thousands of bodies. Picture that in your mind.

I am NOT merely "implying that a pile of thousands of gassed bodies would not present a practical impossibility," I am saying that as loudly as I can and I will keep repeating it. Marques' qualification "for the procedures described" is vague. What "procedures" is Marques referring to? If the vague and contradictory procedures for the alleged homicidal gassings at Birkenau are all he is referring to, then he has a point--but, that is NOT all that Faurisson is referring to. Faurisson did NOT imply or say: "under the described conditions and leaving no detectable signs." On the contrary, Faurisson insists that even the superbly designed, railroad delousing tunnels could NOT possibly have been used to commit mass murder because of the difficulties of ventilation and corpse removal. Hasn't Marques ever heard of gas masks and rubber gloves?

Faurisson's claims regarding railroad delousing tunnels are technically baseless and even insane. The technical problems are ALL easily solvable in the manner I have spelled out in my response to Faurisson on my website and elsewhere. http://www.nazigassings.com/Railroad.html And those solutions would have been almost obvious to any technically competent people, of which the Germans had many, often with vast experience in the safe handling and ventilation of objects of all kinds that had been fumigated with Zyklon-B and cyanide gas. Clothing (wet as well as dry) and leather goods were all fumigated routinely in Zyklon-B gas chambers any of which could have been easily modified to prevent living persons trapped inside from damaging any exposed equipment. Engineers and technicians do that sort of thing all the time.

There is a real problem within conspiracy-minded communities generally. They often get some fixed idea and hold on to that as fanatically as the Jews are holding on to their holocaust hoax. Herman Rosenblat's adherence to totally contrary views about his eventual wife having fed him earlier through a concentration camp fence is a prime example of such mental gymnastics. But many of Faurisson's ideas about "impossibilities" are no better. When that happens, we are dealing with religion.

Friedrich Paul Berg
Learn everything at www.nazigassings.com
Nazi Gassings Never Happened! Niemand wurde vergast!

[Turpitz]

Didn't someone mention something about taking a Pedantic turn?

If innuendo abounds it is going to be picked up, especially if it declares five Afghani's sat in a cave, on a mountain, with a laptop and Windows 95 organized the "pancake theory".

There is a real problem within conspiracy-minded communities generally. They often get some fixed idea and hold on to that as fanatically as the Jews are holding on to their holocaust hoax.

They can't both be conspiracies. Either the industry is a conspiracy, or "deniers" are conspirasist's. Going by the nonsense that the industry consists of, I feel more ike a realist.


What's your point Berg, why are you interested in delousing tunnels?