Natzweiler / Struthof claims

[Hannover]

Let's talk about Natzweiler / Struthof (in the former German territory of Alsace Lorraine, France) where the Germans allegedly gassed ca. 86 Jews. This topic seems scattered about this forum in fragments, so let's bring all the claims & responses together in one thread.

- What proof of this claim is there?
- Are any alleged documents available in their original form to back this up?
- Is there proof that alleged corpses were actually murdered?
- Wasn't there a French autopsy of some corpses which showed that deaths there were definitely not due to hydrogen cyanide?

Etc., etc.

some references:
http://carolynyeager.net/heretics-hour- ... uthof-camp
and:
http://carolynyeager.net/system/files/t ... 140414.mp3

Thanks, Hannover

[hermod]

A functional brain and a picture of the room claimed to have been the Strutthof-Natzweiler gas chamber should be enough to settle the topic once and for all.


Hektor @ Toilets and real showers in the camps

Dear Jewish incomers, welcome to Strutthof-Natzweiler. You are free to take a bath during the disinfestation procedure, but you are not allowed, under any circumstances, to open or break any window of the shower room. We hope you'll enjoy your short time in our camp.

[Breker]

This is just another example of the unhinged propaganda that is embedded in the thoroughly moronic and discredited "Holocaust" voodoo religion. One should note that this little Natzweiler side show has now fallen off the table of widely used promotional advertisements. Further proof that the "Holocaust" narrative is undergoing a desperate retreat.

The story goes that Himmler supposedly OK'd the shipment of these doomed Jews to Natzweiler so that their bones could be held in some bizarre bone collection. Needless to say there is no record of Himmler giving such an order.
Then there is the "confession" of the camp commandant at the time, Kramer, who said he gassed these Jews himself; but as has been affirmed, a French autopsy revealed no indication of death by gassing of the few corpses that they did find, even here there was no proof that they were even murdered.

The time has come where the creators of such fantasies are now the subject to be studied.
B.

[borjastick]

The time has come where the creators of such fantasies are now the subject to be studied.

Breker you've hit the nail on the head here. I am rapidly coming to the conclusion that the holocaust religionists are mentally ill. They seem to boil the pot and keep it there. The inbred, no contact, congenital victim status, reinforced by the rabid arrogance that they are the children of God and as such superior to all the rest of us is breathtaking. The comment was made on another thread here today that in reality the jewish religion died out 200 years ago and only the holocaust and their manipulation of it, has kept the religion and thus judaism on track.

The holocaust is the only thing that links jews together, without it they would be poorer, diluted among the billions of us plebs and without a jewish homeland from which they can abuse and try to control those they collectively don't like.

The fact that there are so few jews in the world, which of course has nothing to do with the holocaust, is clear to me what a dying breed of users and takers they are. In reality the real jews, those related to the ancestors of the Palestinian territories and biblical regions are all but extinct. The jews who cause all the trouble are the ashkenazis and we know they are not of true ancestral connection but derived from a bunch of hooligan loons from eastern europe. None of which appear to worship anything except the golden goose that is the holocaust.

[hermod]

bones could be held in some bizarre bone collection.

Physical anthropology had nothing unusual or bizarre at that time. Most universities and museum of natural history had collections of human bones.




Berkeley collection of human bones

By 1948, Berkeley was boasting to Life magazine that its Native American collection included “more than 10,000 Indian skeletons, many of them complete.”
http://www.corpsesofmassviolence.eu/fie ... ony-platt/

[Moderator]

I've copied this post (today) from another thread:
John de Nugent @ Audio from David Cole at recent IHR meeting

I visited the Natzweiler (Struthof) concentration camp in Alsace in 2004 with my then-wife, an Alsatian herself.

It is a typical post-war, German-bashing, propagandistic re-do of the true camp.

This photo is typical: A gallows built long after the war dominates everything. The barracks have been torn down (why?) so this gallows stands there in, no doubt, deliberate, ultra-stark isolation.

It was a work camp -- not a gallows camp!

The gas chamber they show is ludicrously un-airtight, with just an ordinary door.

There is a big room they herd people through, as at Dachau (which I also visited, back in 1975), which is filled with blown-up photos and huge posters claiming Nazi atrocities.

Just more Jewish Holofraud BS......

[Breker]

Quite revealing, Mr. de Nugent. As has been said, another "Holocaust" Potemkin Village.
B.

[John de Nugent]

I cannot find it now, but a poster asked me how I "knew" the gallow was postwar.

I do not know it, however, I have spent many decades around wood, trees, and farms (and my grandfather had a 200-acre farm).

The beams on the gallows looked like new wood, not more than 10-15 years old and not even well-varnished.

[Hektor]

There is a site focusing on this, it seems:

About this site


In August 1943 the Nazis killed 86 jewish men and women in the gas chambers of the Natzweiler-Struthof (Alsac) Concentration Camp. The order to kill these previously selected individuals came from a Nazi scientific organisation called “Ahnenerbe“ (Ancestral Inheritance). The purpose of the executions was to provide skeletons that could be displayed as evidence for Nazi “Rassenideologe“ (Human Race Ideology) in an exhibition organized by the Institute for Anatomy at the Reichsuniversity Strassburg. However the Anatomy Professor who organized the exhibition, August Hirt, and his colleagues did not manage to finish the project before the war ended. The remains of the 86 bodies were buried in a mass grave after the war.
In the book, “Die Namen der Nummern“ (The Names of the Numbers), published in August 2004 by Hoffmann und Campe (and 2007 by Fischer), Hans-Joachim Lang describes this mass murder. He also recounts in detail the story of how he was able to determine the identities of the 86 victims 60 years after they were murdered. The short biographies of the victims that are included in the book are re-published here on this website in the hopes that relatives or friends might be able to fill in some of the gaps in the biographical information. It has already been possible to identify the 86 victims and bring light to their stories. We will continue to update these biographies as we receive additional information.
Translated by Rachel Gordon and Joachim Zepelin, Berlin 2007
http://www.die-namen-der-nummern.de/html/the_names.html

[Zulu]

There is a site focusing on this, it seems:

About this site
In August 1943 the Nazis killed 86 jewish men and women in the gas chambers of the Natzweiler-Struthof (Alsac) Concentration Camp. The order to kill these previously selected individuals came from a Nazi scientific organisation called “Ahnenerbe“ (Ancestral Inheritance). The purpose of the executions was to provide skeletons that could be displayed as evidence for Nazi “Rassenideologe“ (Human Race Ideology) in an exhibition organized by the Institute for Anatomy at the Reichsuniversity Strassburg. However the Anatomy Professor who organized the exhibition, August Hirt, and his colleagues did not manage to finish the project before the war ended. The remains of the 86 bodies were buried in a mass grave after the war.
In the book, “Die Namen der Nummern“ (The Names of the Numbers), published in August 2004 by Hoffmann und Campe (and 2007 by Fischer), Hans-Joachim Lang describes this mass murder. He also recounts in detail the story of how he was able to determine the identities of the 86 victims 60 years after they were murdered. The short biographies of the victims that are included in the book are re-published here on this website in the hopes that relatives or friends might be able to fill in some of the gaps in the biographical information. It has already been possible to identify the 86 victims and bring light to their stories. We will continue to update these biographies as we receive additional information.
Translated by Rachel Gordon and Joachim Zepelin, Berlin 2007
http://www.die-namen-der-nummern.de/html/the_names.html

It is interesting to notice that historians who specialize in the story of Natzweiler-Struthof camp seems to ignore (voluntarily or not?) one of the rare existing forensic expertises performed on supposed "gassed bodies" which was carried out in 1944 by Professor René Fabre, dean of the Pharmacy's Faculty of Paris.
This point is stressed by Robert Faurisson in on his article of 9th April, 2014.

[...]It was I who, on March 19, 1976, discovered the building plans, kept carefully hidden till then, of the Auschwitz and Birkenau crematoria supposed to contain (homicidal) gas chambers. Those plans revealed that those crematoria never had gas chambers but did contain, as the case might be, either a depository for bodies at ground level (Leichenhalle), depositories semi-interred for protection from the summer heat (Leichenkeller), or other equally innocuous rooms. Quite early on I had noted that the historians and judges dealing with the “genocide of the Jews” and the “Nazi gas chambers” were content, as concerned those two subjects, with “testimonies” or “confessions” and coldly dispensed with any physical evidence. In particular, despite the fact that it was, apparently, a matter of crimes that were atrocious and methodical, countless and unprecedented, no one had sought forensic evidence of the existence and operation of a single one of those amazing chambers. With one exception, however, which occurred as early as 1944, in France, regarding the alleged gas chamber of the Struthof-Natzweiler camp near Strasbourg. And there, no luck for the accusation! On December 1, 1944, Professor René Fabre, dean of the pharmacy faculty in Paris, having led an investigation, closed his toxicological research with a doubly negative finding: there was no trace of hydrogen cyanide (HCN) either in the alleged gas chamber or in the bodies of the allegedly gassed Jews (partly preserved at the Hôpital civil of Strasbourg). Remarkably, his forensic report would, at an indeterminate date, disappear from the archives of the gendarmerie and the military courts (at Le Blanc in the Indre département) but, fortunately, in 1982, I personally discovered a report signed by the medical experts Simonin, Fourcade and Piedelièvre attesting to Professor Fabre’s doubly negative conclusion. No less remarkable is the fact that, despite my publication of these discoveries about the professor’s forensic report, the historians stubbornly ignored them. And this to the point, for example, where a Robert Steegmann did not even mention the name of René Fabre in the two works totalling 875 pages that he devoted to Struthof (in 2005 and 2009 respectively), and in which he presented as established fact the existence and operation of a homicidal gas chamber in that same camp (http://robertfaurisson.blogspot.fr/2013 ... ambre.html).

Source
Whether “Holocaust by gas” or “Holocaust by bullets”: no physical or forensic evidence!
http://robertfaurisson.blogspot.com.es/ ... caust.html

I found a publication of the Lang's list of the alleged victims of Pr. Hirt. According with the displayed dates of birth, no children appear, a fact which would constitute an anomaly considering the alleged aim of establishing a "collection of Jewish skulls"

Liste des 86 victimes du Professeur August Hirt, directeur de l’Institut d’anatomie de la Reichsuniversit ̈de Strassbourg (août 1943)
Dans le but de réunir une collection de crânes (ou de squelettes) de commissaires bolcheviks juifs, le professeur August Hirt fit sélectionner 115 personnes à Auschwitz. 87 furent transférées à partir du 30 juillet 1943 au camp du Struthof-Natzweiler près de Schirmeck, où 86 furent gazées puis transportées à l’Institut d’anatomie de Strasbourg. Un employé recopia les numéros de prisonnier qu’ils avaient sur le bras gauche. Les autorités françaises ont refusé de communiquer cette liste à H.-J. Lang qui dut se la procurer aux USA afin de rechercher leurs noms et leurs familles.

List of the 86 victims of Professor August Hirt, director of the Institute of Anatomy of the Reichsuniversit of Strasburg (August 1943)
In order to assemble a collection of skulls (or skeletons) of Jewish Bolsheviks Commissioners, Professor August Hirt ordered the selection of 115 people at Auschwitz. Starting from 30 July 1943, 87 were transferred to Struthof-Natzweiler camp near Schirmeck, where 86 were gassed and then transported to the Institute of Anatomy of Strasbourg. An employee copied the prisoners' numbers they had on their left arm. As French authorities refused to disclose the list, H.-J. Lang had to get it in the USA in order to research their names and their families.

List of Hirt's victimes at Struthof.pdf

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Source: http://jacques.morel67.free.fr/hirt-victimes.pdf

There is an interesting article in the Reynouard's site which details the documentation exhibited at Nuremberg and all existing documents concerning the allegations of homicidal gassings supposedly carried out at Struthof.
http://sansconcessiontv.org/phdnm/?p=1154

[borjastick]

The Struthof conspiracy gets deeper given the good work done by contributors here.

The way I tend to look at these things is the logic behind the claims and subsequent actions by those in control.

If one thinks in straight lines it is impossible to think other than the holocaustians would be damned if they do and damned if they don't. Do and don't what?

The bottom line is that if a genuine gas chamber with a full paper trail of verifiable proof existed then it would have been used over and over in the delivery of the gas chamber fable. But by doing this it would have shone a light on the big lie at Auschwitz as investigators on both sides would do comparisons. One must never forget that a 'real' gas chamber was in existence way after the war ended at Sachsenhausen, but it was mysteriously destroyed before it could be checked by independent minded people.

So why if Struthof had a gas chamber is there not a more detailed report, film, photographic record of it? Because it's all another bunch of rubbish that simply wouldn't stand any scrutiny.

[Zulu]

On Struthof-Natzweiler, 2 Documents are readable at the site holocaust-history.org.
As this site is often down, I give permanent reachable links through archive.org. French versions are also available.
Interesting fac similes of German documents, Photos of the camp, of corpses are exhibited.

THE STRUTHOF-NATZWEILER CAMP by Miloslav Bilik
https://web.archive.org/web/20110620095 ... ut1e.shtml

THE STRUTHOF ALBUM, STUDY OF THE GASSING AT NATZWEILER-STRUTHOF by Jean-Claude Pressac
https://web.archive.org/web/20110620093 ... T001.shtml

[Hannover]

So, how do these 'documents' square with the French autopsy which indicated no death by gassing?

It was I who, on March 19, 1976, discovered the building plans, kept carefully hidden till then, of the Auschwitz and Birkenau crematoria supposed to contain (homicidal) gas chambers. Those plans revealed that those crematoria never had gas chambers but did contain, as the case might be, either a depository for bodies at ground level (Leichenhalle), depositories semi-interred for protection from the summer heat (Leichenkeller), or other equally innocuous rooms. Quite early on I had noted that the historians and judges dealing with the “genocide of the Jews” and the “Nazi gas chambers” were content, as concerned those two subjects, with “testimonies” or “confessions” and coldly dispensed with any physical evidence. In particular, despite the fact that it was, apparently, a matter of crimes that were atrocious and methodical, countless and unprecedented, no one had sought forensic evidence of the existence and operation of a single one of those amazing chambers. With one exception, however, which occurred as early as 1944, in France, regarding the alleged gas chamber of the Struthof-Natzweiler camp near Strasbourg. And there, no luck for the accusation! On December 1, 1944, Professor René Fabre, dean of the pharmacy faculty in Paris, having led an investigation, closed his toxicological research with a doubly negative finding: there was no trace of hydrogen cyanide (HCN) either in the alleged gas chamber or in the bodies of the allegedly gassed Jews (partly preserved at the Hôpital civil of Strasbourg). Remarkably, his forensic report would, at an indeterminate date, disappear from the archives of the gendarmerie and the military courts (at Le Blanc in the Indre département) but, fortunately, in 1982, I personally discovered a report signed by the medical experts Simonin, Fourcade and Piedelièvre attesting to Professor Fabre’s doubly negative conclusion. No less remarkable is the fact that, despite my publication of these discoveries about the professor’s forensic report, the historians stubbornly ignored them. And this to the point, for example, where a Robert Steegmann did not even mention the name of René Fabre in the two works totalling 875 pages that he devoted to Struthof (in 2005 and 2009 respectively), and in which he presented as established fact the existence and operation of a homicidal gas chamber in that same camp (http://robertfaurisson.blogspot.fr/2013 ... ambre.html).

and:

There is an interesting article in the Reynouard's site which details the documentation exhibited at Nuremberg and all existing documents concerning the allegations of homicidal gassings supposedly carried out at Struthof.
http://sansconcessiontv.org/phdnm/?p=1154

How about an English translation. Thanks

The tide is turning.

- Hannover