What would you rank the top 3 or 5 most difficult documentary evidences for Revisionists to deal with?

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Re: What would you rank the top 3 or 5 most difficult documentary evidences for Revisionists to deal with?

Postby Waldgänger » 4 months 1 week ago (Fri Jan 27, 2023 11:19 pm)

hermod wrote:
Waldgänger wrote: Apart from the Höfle Telegram, I can't recall any documents that cause misfortune for 'deniers'.


The Höfle Telegram says nothing murderous to anyone reading it without the Holohoaxers' sinister decoding glasses...



Never seen that F. Reuter quote at the bottom before. Astonishing. Thank you hermod.

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Re: What would you rank the top 3 or 5 most difficult documentary evidences for Revisionists to deal with?

Postby Hektor » 4 months 1 week ago (Sat Jan 28, 2023 3:32 am)

Lamprecht wrote:It really does not matter, actually. It's "whatever someone will accept"
I even recently had to deal with an individual that insisted that Hitler's pre-war Reichstag statements proved the "Holocaust"
not even most exterminationists now will make such an argument. At the Irving trial, they outright said he wasn't speaking in genocidal terms.
Too many people are convinced that it's a form of evil to question the "Holocaust" -- that doing so is tantamount to shoving more Jews into the gas chamber. That's obviously insane though, one could easily argue that pushing the "Holocaust" story itself is more anti-Semitic.



The problem is that many people aren't accessible for rational arguments.

The Hitler speech in question usually cites it in a way that it can let it look:"See, Hitler wanted to exterminate the Jews". But the statement is obviously hyperbole. And it points to a reaction against Jews, if they dump the world into another war (Their clout in Allied countries did exactly that). It also notes that Jews should get their own country and live from their own work there.

Die Welt hat Siedlungsraum genügend, es muß aber endgültig mit der Meinung gebrochen werden, als sei das jüdische Volk vom lieben Gott eben dazu bestimmt, in einem gewissen Prozentsatz Nutznießer am Körper und an der produktiven Arbeit anderer Völker zu sein.

Das Judentum wird sich genau so einer soliden aufbauenden Tätigkeit anpassen müssen, wie es andere Völker auch tun, oder es wird früher oder später einer Krise von unvorstellbarem Ausmaße erliegen.

Und eines möchte ich an diesem vielleicht nicht nur für uns Deutsche denkwürdigen Tage nun aussprechen: Ich bin in meinem Leben sehr oft Prophet gewesen und wurde meistens ausgelacht. In der Zeit meines Kampfes um die Macht war es in erster Linie das jüdische Volk, das nur mit Gelächter meine Prophezeiungen hinnahm, ich würde einmal in Deutschland die Führung des Staates und damit des ganzen Volkes übernehmen und dann unter vielen anderen auch das jüdische Problem zur Lösung bringen. Ich glaube, daß dieses damalige schallende Gelächter dem Judentum in Deutschland unterdes wohl schon in der Kehle erstickt ist.

Ich will heute wieder ein Prophet sein: Wenn es dem internationalen Finanzjudentum in und außerhalb Europas gelingen sollte, die Völker noch einmal in einen Weltkrieg zu stürzen, dann wird das Ergebnis nicht die Bolschewisierung der Erde und damit der Sieg des Judentums sein, sondern die Vernichtung der jüdischen Rasse in Europa!

Denn die Zeit der propagandistischen Wehrlosigkeit der nichtjüdischen Völker ist zu Ende. Das nationalsozialistische Deutschland und das faschistische Italien besitzen jene Einrichtungen, die es gestatten, wenn notwendig, die Welt über das Wesen einer Frage aufzuklären, die vielen Völkern instinktiv bewußt und nur wissenschaftlich unklar ist.
https://ghdi.ghi-dc.org/docpage.cfm?doc ... age=german


Doesn't seem Hitler actually considered physical extermination there, just throwing them out and get others to do the same. It is in line with segments of Zionism.

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Re: What would you rank the top 3 or 5 most difficult documentary evidences for Revisionists to deal with?

Postby fireofice » 4 months 1 week ago (Sat Jan 28, 2023 3:52 am)

For me personally, when I first looked into it, the main things keeping me from revisionism were the Einsatzgruppen reports, the 2 documents referring to gas vans (the Just and Becker documents), and the Franke-Gricksch report. Now the Franke-Gricksch report was the easiest for me to see through. It took me a little longer to see how the other documents were also forgeries, but that eventually became obvious as well. The last thing holding me back were the Einsatzgruppen reports. I thought "well if they were massacring people in large numbers based on these reports, then it doesn't seem like much of a stretch that were engaging in other mass murdering activities". I then realized that there were good reasons to believe these reports weren't accurate. Another thing that kind of held me back was why they decided to forge some documents, like the ones mentioned above, but not others that seemed much more important, like a Hitler order. It didn't make much sense to me at the time. I asked about that on this forum a few years back and got some good responses that satisfied me.
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11787

After that, it didn't take long for things to fall into place for me that this was a giant hoax. Of course, that's just my personal journey. It may be different for others.

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Re: What would you rank the top 3 or 5 most difficult documentary evidences for Revisionists to deal with?

Postby Turpitz » 4 months 1 week ago (Sat Jan 28, 2023 10:56 am)

The lengths that they go to to keep this scraps of paper in currency is absurd. It's like annually exhuming a decomposing corpse and giving it mouth to mouth recusitation.

The Industry is like the benchmark for everything that has followed in its footsteps; if the surface is scratched, even slightly, you find it is totally devoid of substance.

Jesus, are the Jewish media really ramping it up this year! Unparalleled, absolute suffering. I sometimes feel like joining in with the crocodile tears myself.

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Re: What would you rank the top 3 or 5 most difficult documentary evidences for Revisionists to deal with?

Postby Hektor » 4 months 1 week ago (Sat Jan 28, 2023 2:59 pm)

fireofice wrote:....The last thing holding me back were the Einsatzgruppen reports. I thought "well if they were massacring people in large numbers based on these reports, then it doesn't seem like much of a stretch that were engaging in other mass murdering activities". I then realized that there were good reasons to believe these reports weren't accurate. Another thing that kind of held me back was why they decided to forge some documents, like the ones mentioned above, but not others that seemed much more important, like a Hitler order. It didn't make much sense to me at the time....


I'd guess such documents will look convincing to most people, who don't research the matter further then. But seriously, a piece of paper as proof for killing hundreds of thousands? Wouldn't that leave tons of forensic evidence? You'd think, those using the reports in their books and journal articles would reference forensic reports as well, but until now they didn't.

They see all the evil on the side of the accused after the public has been prejudiced to see 'some truth' in it. After all, if they are not guilt, why are there so many trials? Why so many movies, books, etc. dealing with the subject? Strange how people can't see 'the evil' in this. It's difficult to grasp for many that accusations may have maliciousness at their core. But it isn't exactly unheard of and it is plausible to find something like this in the biggest conflict in human history until now. And by that, those pushing the story did engage in malicious propaganda in the past. Most people don't know this, though. They don't know what the US-'psychological warfare division' was or what the various British, French or Soviet institutions were that engaged in deception, disinformation and the like. All governments engage in information control, so do media organizations. When 'all' is at stake, they are also prone to do more unethical stuff. Lying about the enemy is as old as mankind itself.


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