New Moderation on this site (Please Remove My Restrictions)

[HistorySpeaks]

I am pleased by the new moderator, who is promptly approving my posts and perhaps is actually committed to "open debate."

I ask that the new moderator please remove the restrictions from my account, which were opposed in bad faith. (I technically had a second account but never posted on it; I created this new one once I created the HistorySpeaks brand on social media. I also 'made personal attacks' by using the term "denial," which is a completely ridiculous application of the rules.)

[Rockartisten]

Regarding your term denier. I was first going to write up a long post of my opinion on that, but I'm going to keep it simple and let you think it through by leaving a simple question.

According to Wikipedia. Holocaust denial:

"Holocaust denial is an antisemitic conspiracy theory."

Now, do you think that is an appropriate term in a debate?

[Whodunnit?]

Regarding your term denier. I was first going to write up a long post of my opinion on that, but I'm going to keep it simple and let you think it through by leaving a simple question.

According to Wikipedia. Holocaust denial:

"Holocaust denial is an antisemitic conspiracy theory."

Now, do you think that is an appropriate term in a debate?

Well...

deny

transitive verb
To declare untrue; assert to be false.
To refuse to believe; reject.
To refuse to recognize or acknowledge; disavow

Shortening passages is... let's say the "method of the enemy"

Here's the full text of the Wikipedia:

Holocaust denial is an antisemitic conspiracy theory[1][2] that asserts that the Nazi genocide of Jews, known as the Holocaust, is a myth, fabrication, or exaggeration.[3][4][5] Holocaust denial involves making one or more of the following false statements:[6][7][8]

Nazi Germany's "Final Solution" was aimed only at deporting Jews from the territory of the Third Reich and did not include their extermination.
Nazi authorities did not use extermination camps and gas chambers for the mass murder of Jews.
The actual number of Jews murdered is significantly lower than the accepted figure of approximately 6 million.
The Holocaust is a hoax perpetrated by the Allies, Jews, and/or the Soviet Union

[Hektor]

Regarding your term denier. ....term in a debate?

Well...

Here's the full text of the Wikipedia:

Holocaust denial is an antisemitic conspiracy theory[1][2] that asserts that the Nazi genocide of Jews, known as the Holocaust, is a myth, fabrication, or exaggeration.[3][4][5] Holocaust denial involves making one or more of the following false statements:[6][7][8]

Nazi Germany's "Final Solution" was aimed only at deporting Jews from the territory of the Third Reich and did not include their extermination.
Nazi authorities did not use extermination camps and gas chambers for the mass murder of Jews.
The actual number of Jews murdered is significantly lower than the accepted figure of approximately 6 million.
The Holocaust is a hoax perpetrated by the Allies, Jews, and/or the Soviet Union

"Murder" is a value statement. The neutral term would be killed. One has to consider the full extent of the case after one has established a killing. Executions ARE NOT murder in the classical sense. People dying for other reasons aren't neither. Intention plays a role.

Holocaustianity starts with the assumption that 'Hitler wanted to murder all the Jews'. There is no evidence for this, but it is assumed into history and what was happening. So any time they think that they have evidence for Jews dying, they assume that it was murder. Essentially they have it in reverse on how something would have to be proven properly. And it gets worse, they also assume death, when they don't have proof for this. People not counted after WW2 as Jews are sufficient proof to them that they must have been killed and well, it must have been murder of course and that unproven murder must have been part of Hitler's mysterious 'extermination program'. Now they say they got testimony, well they have to be selective there, since a lot of potential witnesses either only heard rumors or even stated that they did only found out about this later.

And yes, you are right, several factions pushing 'the Holocaust' or the tales that were constructed into it.
The Allies did do so. The US, the USSR, Britain and France.... and Jewish organizations. Just to be clear the Soviet Union (USSR) was Allies during world war two. I see it often written as Allies AND the USSR/Soviets/"Russians" as if people try to distance the USSR from the Allies. They were not. They officially became Allies before the US did. While the US was already supplying the Allies, because the US elites wanted to. The motivations were different:
* British Elites hated Germany because they were competitors.
* French had a Revanchist attitude, which was weaker before WW2.
* The US-Elites also viewed Germany as competitor on world markets.
* The USSR wanted 'World Revolution' for which they build up the Red Army. Exporting the Revolution via the military, if you want.
* Jews hated Germans, because they were (declared) Amalek.

In all the cases this was less the common people that were into this... It was always the elites politically, economically and intellectually that did do so. But via control of media and cultural industry they could instill this hate into other segments of society.
The elites Germanophobia precedes WW2, it even precedes WW1. With Jews changing sides during WW1. Previously they hated the Russians and the Czar more.

Of course WW2 and 'the persecution of the Jews' became rationales for this hate later. And that's why they have to push it to have a narrative that exculpates them and puts the blame onto the Germans.

[Whodunnit?]

I think a lot of the British elites hates Germany because in WW1 a lot of upper class kids died, so they wanted revenge. Peasant historians usually tell people that "oy vey these megalomaniacal Germans thought that the war would be over by christmas", when in fact it was the British who thought this the most. They thought that the naval blockade would lead to Germany running out of ammo, since they needed to import Salpeter from Chile and cotton from the USA to produce gunpowder. Unfortunatly for them the Germans quickly developted a new method of making gun powder by using the Haber-Bosch-method. This lead to a much stabler gun powder. So then 1 million brits died in the trenches. They even got a bloody nose in Turkey.

If you look at the Boer war, one might speculate that the British at that time tended to react oversensitive to casualties and military failure. In the second world war, they pretty much left their allies alone and hauled a*, then hid behind oceans for 4 years and just bombed civilians. If you read about those responsible, you might react the same as me: you will find all of them utterly contemptible.

But there is also a noteworthy German element: one of the main architects of the terror bombing was a guy by the name of Lindemann. Apparently, he wasn't jewish, but German, just like Eisenhower. If you also look at all the treason that took place during both World Wars, it appears that one of the biggest problems of Germany has always had was the antigerman, anglo- franco- russo- judeo-phile German. I don't know what their problem is, I am not German, I was not raised German, I don't understand the German way of thinking, and I never understood the very common specimen of the antigerman German. The antigerman, some-other-culture-admiring German was a phenomenon that existed well before WW2.

Btw, I don't think everything followed a rational calculous. I think a lot of politicians at that point didn't know themselves what was real and what wasn't. How would they know?

[borjastick]

Whodunnit, I have no idea how you could say what you did in WW2. The British were the only country to stand up and fight against Hitler from start to finish. Others came and went for various reasons and no we didn't hide behind oceans or anywhere else, we were at the pointy end fighting hard and true mainly alongside the US, when it decided to get involved.

As for your 'restrictions' and if they should be removed early, I would say you have to play the waiting game as everyone else did.

[Hektor]

I think a lot of the British elites hates Germany because in WW1 a lot of upper class kids died, so they wanted revenge. Peasant historians usually tell people that "oy vey these megalomaniacal Germans thought that the war would be over by christmas", when in fact it was the British who thought this the most. They thought that the naval blockade would lead to Germany running out of ammo, since they needed to import Salpeter from Chile and cotton from the USA to produce gunpowder. Unfortunatly for them the Germans quickly developted a new method of making gun powder by using the Haber-Bosch-method. This lead to a much stabler gun powder. So then 1 million brits died in the trenches. They even got a bloody nose in Turkey. ....

There would be grudges of course and this can become a cauldron as well. But well, if you got a problem that your relative became a casualty during WW1, why repeat that exercise? The British could have stayed out easily out of both world wars. And they could also have prevented the 1939 rather easily.... Simply offer Germany a pact and give them reasonable terms and conditions. Engage in resolving the conflicts since ww1, etc. I think the British were actually divided on this with the Germanophobe site ultimately winning and getting it there way. As a result, they lost 400.000 people and also their empire in the aftermath with a few execptions. They were on the 'victor's side',but it wasn't really worth it. There are still folks that worship Churchill, though. And there is a blind spot on them for the genocidal bombing campaign there were running during world war two. If the die-hard Allied supporters are confronted, they will justify it with 'fighting evil'. So they can't drop the Holocaust narrative neither. Same for 'aggressive war' and the rest of the IMT narrative. "If we didn't do that, we'd all be speaking German". Well, while that isn't actually true, that would still be better than having thousands of girls raped by Muslims and being to scared to do something about it for fear of being called a Nazi or Racist, isn't it?! It almost looks as if the chicken are coming home to roost there. It took it's time of course, but eternity isn't exactly short in substance.

The Brits left the EU and that was actually prudent to do. But they still sit with the post-war culture that emerged based upon the common beliefs after WW2. The same applies to the US and France, it seems. Only Russia the left-over from the USSR seems to be a little different on this. But they still adhere to the Nazi-folly, as well. And it's a justification for war to them, too.


Fritz Haber, look how his memory is treated nowadays. He's also part of the team that invented Zyklon (B). And it isn't celebrated as a life saving pesticide. It's disparaged as 'murder weapon' for gassing Jews. Same applies to the inventors of fertilizers and other means of making agriculture more productive. They are either ignored or put under the microscope to find something wrong with them. Really crazy, if one thinks about it.

[Archie]

Whodunnit, I have no idea how you could say what you did in WW2. The British were the only country to stand up and fight against Hitler from start to finish. Others came and went for various reasons and no we didn't hide behind oceans or anywhere else, we were at the pointy end fighting hard and true mainly alongside the US, when it decided to get involved.

As for your 'restrictions' and if they should be removed early, I would say you have to play the waiting game as everyone else did.

I think it was HistorySpeaks who was complaining about account restrictions.

[jarno]

But there is also a noteworthy German element: one of the main architects of the terror bombing was a guy by the name of Lindemann. Apparently, he wasn't jewish, but German, just like Eisenhower. If you also look at all the treason that took place during both World Wars, it appears that one of the biggest problems of Germany has always had was the antigerman, anglo- franco- russo- judeo-phile German. I don't know what their problem is, I am not German, I was not raised German, I don't understand the German way of thinking, and I never understood the very common specimen of the antigerman German. The antigerman, some-other-culture-admiring German was a phenomenon that existed well before WW2.

As far as I know Lindemann was Jewish and was seeking revenge through his psychopathic Lindemann plan. For reference, read "The Myth of German Villany" (https://www.themythofgermanvillainy.com/). Many Jews held deep grudges towards Germany. I personally knew one of them. He was my friend in the late 90's. Like many others, he had left Germany, and when he came to America, he joined the US army to fight against them. Through my conversations with him it was obvious that he still held deep antipathy towards the German people. He told me once how he had killed people and didn't regret it. And if you read "The Jewish Hand in the World Wars", you'll see that Eisenhower was heavily influenced by Jews. So while the Jews were not solely to blame for fueling German hatred, they certainly played a central role.

[Hektor]

But there is also....

As far as I know Lindemann was Jewish and was seeking revenge through his psychopathic Lindemann plan. For reference, read "The Myth of German Villany" (https://www.themythofgermanvillainy.com/). Many Jews held deep grudges towards Germany. I personally knew one of them. He was my friend in the late 90's. Like many others, he had left Germany, and when he came to America, he joined the US army to fight against them. Through my conversations with him it was obvious that he still held deep antipathy towards the German people. He told me once how he had killed people and didn't regret it. And if you read "The Jewish Hand in the World Wars", you'll see that Eisenhower was heavily influenced by Jews. So while the Jews were not solely to blame for fueling German hatred, they certainly played a central role.

They were not 'seeking revenge', but implementing rabbinical teachings on Germany, which was declared Amalek, long before any NS-Policy on Jews were even thought of. I'm discounting Martin Luther now, who started out as a Judeophile, until he learned what Jews were actually teaching and practicing. Luther wrote "Von den Juden und ihren Luegen" in anger of course, but the question of 'Why?' is virtually always omitted by present day commentators.

[hermod]

But there is also a noteworthy German element: one of the main architects of the terror bombing was a guy by the name of Lindemann. Apparently, he wasn't jewish, but German, just like Eisenhower. If you also look at all the treason that took place during both World Wars, it appears that one of the biggest problems of Germany has always had was the antigerman, anglo- franco- russo- judeo-phile German. I don't know what their problem is, I am not German, I was not raised German, I don't understand the German way of thinking, and I never understood the very common specimen of the antigerman German. The antigerman, some-other-culture-admiring German was a phenomenon that existed well before WW2.

As far as I know Lindemann was Jewish and was seeking revenge through his psychopathic Lindemann plan. For reference, read "The Myth of German Villany" (https://www.themythofgermanvillainy.com/). Many Jews held deep grudges towards Germany. I personally knew one of them. He was my friend in the late 90's. Like many others, he had left Germany, and when he came to America, he joined the US army to fight against them. Through my conversations with him it was obvious that he still held deep antipathy towards the German people. He told me once how he had killed people and didn't regret it. And if you read "The Jewish Hand in the World Wars", you'll see that Eisenhower was heavily influenced by Jews. So while the Jews were not solely to blame for fueling German hatred, they certainly played a central role.

Hadn't Eisenhower been nicknamed "the terrible Swedish Jew" at the West Point military academy when he was a young man?

[Whodunnit?]

Whodunnit, I have no idea how you could say what you did in WW2. The British were the only country to stand up and fight against Hitler from start to finish. Others came and went for various reasons and no we didn't hide behind oceans or anywhere else, we were at the pointy end fighting hard and true mainly alongside the US, when it decided to get involved.

As for your 'restrictions' and if they should be removed early, I would say you have to play the waiting game as everyone else did.

Well, they only fought in Africa where the Italians & Germans had problems supplying their troops, and the British didn't... I am not blaming the soldiers, with "those responsible" I meant the decision makers. The soldiers were just doing what they were told, and they had no way to tell if the stuff in the newspapers and on the radio was true or not.

And about the situation in British politics at that time: the book "The Nameless War" by the former British MP Captain Archibald Ramsay, purportedly a confidant of Neville Chamberlain, contains some pretty eye-opening informations.

But there is also....

As far as I know Lindemann was Jewish and was seeking revenge through his psychopathic Lindemann plan. For reference, read "The Myth of German Villany" (https://www.themythofgermanvillainy.com/). Many Jews held deep grudges towards Germany. I personally knew one of them. He was my friend in the late 90's. Like many others, he had left Germany, and when he came to America, he joined the US army to fight against them. Through my conversations with him it was obvious that he still held deep antipathy towards the German people. He told me once how he had killed people and didn't regret it. And if you read "The Jewish Hand in the World Wars", you'll see that Eisenhower was heavily influenced by Jews. So while the Jews were not solely to blame for fueling German hatred, they certainly played a central role.

They were not 'seeking revenge', but implementing rabbinical teachings on Germany, which was declared Amalek, long before any NS-Policy on Jews were even thought of. I'm discounting Martin Luther now, who started out as a Judeophile, until he learned what Jews were actually teaching and practicing. Luther wrote "Von den Juden und ihren Luegen" in anger of course, but the question of 'Why?' is virtually always omitted by present day commentators.

I maintain that the politicians back then were often driven by emotions - and these were often impulsive people that were used of getting it their way. Not so much now, because of the technocratic nature of our society. I think the infamous "sunken-cost-fallacy" played a major part in the escalation of WW1. I don't think Jews held a special grudge against Germany prior to Hitler. Against Russia, yes, but Germany? I don't think so.
I also think a lot of people overrate how well informed the people in the early 20th century were. What could you do to find out what is happening in a foreign country? You can go there and stay there for a limited amount of time, but even a politician would only gain as much knowledge about the foreign country as in a tourist trip. Then you could read about somebody elses "tourist" trip, or listen to somebody's opinion which might be tainted by prejudice and bad experiences. Today we have a constant global connection, you can quickly research every topic via search engine. Remember how life was pre-internet. The world wars were even pre-TV. The newspapers were most people's reality.

Then add that people like Roosevelt maybe only knew what some people wanted him to know. You would only need few conspirators.

"The Myth Of German Villainy" is a book that's on my long reading list, and I don't believe that Eisenhower was a jew. There are a lot of antigerman Germans, and nobody hates Germans more than other Germans. Idk why. His biographer said that Eisenhower's german speaking father was "a stereotypical German" (according to the stereotypes), he very strict and used to beat the shit out of him. Maybe he hated Germans because he hated his father, while he was the same kind of psychopath.

Anyhow, I think the jewsplainer History Speaks should get his rights back.

[HistorySpeaks]

Moderator - I have received your DM but cannot reply because of the restrictions. I appreciate that you are trying to address this situation and are moving this site in a much more pro-free speech direction.

By the way I am not Jewish.

[Butterfangers]

Moderator - I have received your DM but cannot reply because of the restrictions. I appreciate that you are trying to address this situation and are moving this site in a much more pro-free speech direction.

By the way I am not Jewish.

I eagerly await your frequent participation on this forum. That said, please note that your unverified/unverifiable archival citations will not be taken seriously here. If the Holocaust is a proven fact for public recognition as such, prove it with the materials available publicly. Otherwise, be sure to include proper scans (or photographs), translations, citations, and context for any new records introduced.

[Archie]

Moderator - I have received your DM but cannot reply because of the restrictions. I appreciate that you are trying to address this situation and are moving this site in a much more pro-free speech direction.

By the way I am not Jewish.

I eagerly await your frequent participation on this forum. That said, please note that your unverified/unverifiable archival citations will not be taken seriously here. If the Holocaust is a proven fact for public recognition as such, prove it with the materials available publicly. Otherwise, be sure to include proper scans (or photographs), translations, citations, and context for any new records introduced.

Just to clarify, he can post as much as he wants. The restriction he's talking about is that the posts have to be manually approved which in practice will mean a little lag time before his posts show up on the forum.