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For those who think Typhus during WWII was nonsense.

Postby Hannover » 1 decade 1 year ago (Sat Oct 29, 2011 12:10 am)

To the indoctrinated the idea of typhus epidemics causing so much death & mayhem, and creating the need for pesticide use, Zyklon-B by the Germans & other European countries, and DDT by The U.S. armed forces in Europe, is a bogus claim used by 'holocaust deniers'. In fact, typhus has been common in most wars and in WWII it was horrendous.

The following notable letter appeared in the Journal of the American Medical Association (J. A. M. A.) in the "Foreign Letters" section on page 220 for May 19, 1945. The war had just ended.

Typhus Causes a Truce

By negotiations between British and German officers, British troops took over from the S.S. and the Wehrmacht the task of guarding the vast concentration camp at Belsen, a few miles northwest of Celle, which contains 60,000 prisoners, many of them political. This has been done because typhus is rampant in the camp and it is vital that no prisoners be released until the infection is checked. The advancing British agreed to refrain from bombing or shelling the area of the camp, and the Germans agreed to leave behind an armed guard which would be allowed to return to their own lines a week after the British arrival. The story of the negotiations is curious. Two German officers presented themselves before the British outposts and explained that there were 9,000 sick in the camp and that all sanitation had failed. They proposed that the British should occupy the camp at once, as the responsibility was international in the interests of health. In return for the delay caused by the truce the Germans offered to surrender intact the bridges over the river Aller. After brief consideration the British senior officer rejected the German proposals, saying it was necessary that the British should occupy an area of 10 kilometers round the camp in order be sure of keeping their troops and lines of communication away from the disease. The British eventually took over the camp.

Delays such as this were crucial to the likes of Anne Frank, who after being transported from Auschwitz (a supposed 'death camp' where see wasn't put to death), died of typhus.

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Re: For those who think Typhus during WWII was nonsense.

Postby Barrington James » 1 decade 1 year ago (Tue Nov 08, 2011 6:33 pm)

For a good description of Bergen-Belsen, which was taken over by the Brits in April 1945, and the extreme difficulties the Brits had in trying to stop a further 15, 000 deaths due to disease and especially starvation which occurred under their command until mid May of that year, read “After Daybreak" by Ben Shephard. Although disease, particularly typhus, killed hundreds of thousands in the camps, the Brits had just at least as much trouble, probably more, trying to stop death by starvation, for it is all but impossible to stop once it has gone past a certain point in the process.
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Re: For those who think Typhus during WWII was nonsense.

Postby Hektor » 1 decade 1 year ago (Wed Nov 09, 2011 1:11 am)

Barrington James wrote:For a good description of Bergen-Belsen, which was taken over by the Brits in April 1945, and the extreme difficulties the Brits had in trying to stop a further 15, 000 deaths due to disease and especially starvation which occurred under their command until mid May of that year, read “After Daybreak" by Ben Shephard.....

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Translation:

Bergen 12 April 1945.

Agreement between the Commander of Bergen Military Training Area and the Chief of Staff of the opposing English (British) Corps.

The Camp Commander has an order from the S.S. Reichsführer, for obvious reasons, to surrender Bergen Camp along with two S.S. Concentration Camps (containing approximately 60000 Prisoners) and the Hungarian Troops and their families to the English (British) Armed Forces to prevent further fighting in this area.

Details are as follows:

1.) The area detailed on the map marked with black crosses at the road entry points is designated a neutral zone.

2.) Both sides agree to carry out all necessary actions to ensure no conflict, the use of heavy weapons, or air raids occur within, or into, this area.

3.) If possible, withdrawing German troops will not enter the neutral zone.

4.) The German Armed Forces will deploy warning signs at the points indicated with black crosses on the map. These signs are to display the warning 'Danger Typhus' to the outside of the area, and 'End of Typhus Area' on the inner side.

5.) The German Armed Forces are responsible for:

a.) The custody of the prisoners and the detachment of S.S. Guards until 1200 hrs 13 April 1945. Any remaining S.S. Guards after this time are to be treated as Prisoners of War.

b.) Continuation and management of the supply facilities.

c.) Continuation and management of the Telephone Exchange.

until the English (British) Armed Forces take over.

6.) The German and Hungarian guards are to wear white armbands on the left lower arm. They are not to carry out any offensive action against the English (British) Armed Forces. On the other hand the English (British) Armed Forces are commited to allow these armed guards and supply personnel unhindered withdrawal to German lines, complete with their weapons, equipment and vehicles after six days of taking control of the camps.

7.) The S.S. Supply and Administration personnel, the camp Doctor and those who supply food and sanitation will carry out their duties until relieved by the English (British) Armed Forces.

8.) The Hungarian troops and their families were given sufficient food on 10 April 1945 to last four weeks. The supply of additional food, if necessary, is the responsibilty of the English (British) Armed Forces.

9.) The spirit of these negotations is to prevent a disaster for both opposing forces and the local civilian population caused by escaping prisoners.

Both parties declare to carry out all necessary actions to fulfill this agreement as longer as they do not hamper war activities.

Signed

Harries (Colonel, Commander Bergen-Belsen barracks) , Schmidt (Colonel Hanns Schmidt ) , Grosan (Colonel Erhard Grosan, Commander Tank Training School Bergen-Belsen Barracks), Taylor-Balfour (Brigadier, Chief. of Staff, British VIII Corps)

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Didn't prevent them from getting as much propaganda mileage from it as possible.

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Re: For those who think Typhus during WWII was nonsense.

Postby ClaudiaRothenbach » 1 decade 1 year ago (Thu Nov 10, 2011 1:45 pm)

Here you find an interesting photo.
http://www.scrapbookpages.com/bergenbel ... Typhus.jpg

British soldier drives a bulldozer to push bodies into mass grave at Belsen
http://www.scrapbookpages.com/bergenbel ... ldozer.jpg
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Re: For those who think Typhus during WWII was nonsense.

Postby Barrington James » 1 decade 1 year ago (Thu Nov 10, 2011 2:13 pm)

Considering the fact that at least 15, 000 internees died in Bergen -Belsen after the British took it over in April, 1945, this scene of dead bodies , as gruesome as it is, does not surprise me, nor does it surprise me that the bulldozer was being driven by a Brit.
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Re: For those who think Typhus during WWII was nonsense.

Postby EdwardTheGray » 1 decade 1 year ago (Thu Nov 10, 2011 2:25 pm)

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And they say that the Germans had no respect for Jews! They did everything in their power to stop the spread of it, and they tried everything to get their health back up, yet the allies bombed their supplies, so it is no wonder that the allies cruelty did not stop at the bombing of the supplies.


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