"Not Up For Debate" campaign -September 2021

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"Not Up For Debate" campaign -September 2021

Postby EtienneSC » 1 year 8 months ago (Sun Sep 12, 2021 5:15 am)

We know from the cross-examination of Raul Hilberg at the 1985 Zündel trial how a debate on the holocaust might go. However, the International Holocaust Remembrance Association in mid-2021 has decided to make sure that no such debate is on the cards in a press and media campaign. Here is one of their posters, which ropes in the European Commission, United Nations and UNESCO to the "No Debate" mantra:
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One revealing facet of the campaign is the associated website. This is currently being developed, but at the outset it consisted of slogans on posters and a 26 second video:
https://www.againstholocaustdistortion.org/
What this reveals is that you can't refute a doctrine without engaging with it intellectually. There is no link to Holocaust Controversies for example. All they have done thus far is to combine a couple of sheets of A4 worth of description, misrepresentation and ad hominem attacks with some graphics on a handful of web pages.

So in a way, it confirms Robert Faurisson's view of the victory of revisionism at the scholarly level. They simply have virtually nothing to say in response. In fact, the campaign may well backfire, as it will draw in the curious, who will then be surprised at the lack of content and wonder how you can know something unless you suspend judgement and consider both sides.

It may be though, that revisionist material is now sufficiently well hidden on search engines that they think people won't be able to find it. You can find the cross-examination of Hilberg by lawyer Douglas Christie, who was advised by Faurisson, here:
http://www.ihr.org/books/kulaszka/09hilberg.html

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Re: "Not Up For Debate" campaign -September 2021

Postby borjastick » 1 year 8 months ago (Sun Sep 12, 2021 8:52 am)

The similarities between the holocaust and the claimed 'climate crisis' grow by the week it seems to me. It's odd that they use the word 'Truth' and not 'science' mainly because if one debates the holocaust claims using science, forensics etc they would lose and badly. When they use the word 'Truth' they can be flexible with what they present and their own interpretation of it all.

One person's truth is another's lie...

With the climate liars they always claim 'science science science' yet when we look at the science they fail miserably too.

The Truth of the Holocaust is something these shysters are trying desperately to hide because the Truth, once seen, can never be unseen.
'Of the four million Jews under Nazi control in WW2, six million died and alas only five million survived.'

'We don't need evidence, we have survivors' - israeli politician

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Re: "Not Up For Debate" campaign -September 2021

Postby Hektor » 1 year 8 months ago (Sun Sep 12, 2021 4:27 pm)

This is surreal. People have been buffaloed to believe it. And now they are not let loose.
https://twitter.com/TheIHRA/status/1436 ... 44/photo/1
Clear indication one is dealing with a cult.

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Re: "Not Up For Debate" campaign -September 2021

Postby Tiepolo » 1 year 8 months ago (Wed Sep 22, 2021 1:39 am)

Very typical of the exterminationists, they claim it's not up for debate, don't support any dialogue with Holocaust fact-checkers and rely on putting people in jail for expressing their thoughts. If it were so true then they wouldn't need to keep throwing people behind bars, use violence, media slander and lean on maintaining the narrative via movies.

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Re: "Not Up For Debate" campaign -September 2021

Postby EtienneSC » 1 year 7 months ago (Wed Oct 13, 2021 1:58 pm)

Tiepolo wrote:Very typical of the exterminationists, they claim it's not up for debate, don't support any dialogue with Holocaust fact-checkers and rely on putting people in jail for expressing their thoughts. If it were so true then they wouldn't need to keep throwing people behind bars, use violence, media slander and lean on maintaining the narrative via movies.

You can see how the IHRA "Denial law" project is proceeding here:
https://www.holocaustremembrance.com/sites/default/files/2020-02/Holocaust%20Denial%20Law%27s%20Project%20Preliminary%20Recommendations.pdf
This is a preliminary report from 2019. Maybe it was derailed by COVID, as there has been no final report and the promised booklet has not appeared. Or maybe they have actually been given pause for thought. You can see from the footnotes that they review relevant case law and the international situation. Their 4th recommendation is:
"4. Provide and affirm protections for scholars, educators, journalists, writers, and general researchers who engage in, present, and publish bona fide, data-driven research on Holocaust-era crimes."
Something like this clause was put into a recent Polish law. Quite likely the final version will be phrased so as not to apply to revisionists though.


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