Contradictions proper to the orthodoxy of the Holocaust?
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Contradictions proper to the orthodoxy of the Holocaust?
I summed up all estimates of deaths in German concentration camps according to the orthodox Holocaust narrative by extracting this information from the English Wikipedia, totaling 4,365,396 deaths, if we include the statistics of Einisatzgruppen operations in the USSR with their estimates of between 1, 5 or 1.7 million Jews killed, do we arrive at the Kabbalistic figure of 5.8 or 6 million Jews killed?
The problem is, were there only Jews in these camps and in the victims of the Einisatzgruppen? What % of Jews would be sent to these camps and non-Jews sent and killed there? And where are the 5 million deaths of non-Jews claimed by the orthodox narrative? Where did they die? In what way? How did they erase the evidence? Where did the three million Poles die? In the fields? So only 1.3 million Jews could have died in them as there is no mass burial or body destruction process that Poles claim. Perhaps this is why both Poles and Jews clash over some Holocaust themes? This considering that these numbers are closed, which I very much doubt, especially for camps like Auschwitz and the dismantled camps of Belzec, Sobibor, Chelmno and Treblika, all of which have a very large margin to be reduced and there are already proponents of the exterminationist thesis giving arm to twist like Fritjof Meyer from Der Spiegel. I don't know if I'm up on the details but do they try to explain these inconsistencies in their own claims?
The problem is, were there only Jews in these camps and in the victims of the Einisatzgruppen? What % of Jews would be sent to these camps and non-Jews sent and killed there? And where are the 5 million deaths of non-Jews claimed by the orthodox narrative? Where did they die? In what way? How did they erase the evidence? Where did the three million Poles die? In the fields? So only 1.3 million Jews could have died in them as there is no mass burial or body destruction process that Poles claim. Perhaps this is why both Poles and Jews clash over some Holocaust themes? This considering that these numbers are closed, which I very much doubt, especially for camps like Auschwitz and the dismantled camps of Belzec, Sobibor, Chelmno and Treblika, all of which have a very large margin to be reduced and there are already proponents of the exterminationist thesis giving arm to twist like Fritjof Meyer from Der Spiegel. I don't know if I'm up on the details but do they try to explain these inconsistencies in their own claims?
Re: Contradictions proper to the orthodoxy of the Holocaust?
The concentration camps weren't exclusively for Jews, but that is the impression that has been created medially.
What is the base for those figures? Deportation Notices? Paper Documents?
As said 'empirical base'.
What is the base for those figures? Deportation Notices? Paper Documents?
As said 'empirical base'.
Re: Contradictions proper to the orthodoxy of the Holocaust?
On Wipedia in English, note that I am Brazilian and these numbers are on the wiki of my language about “List of concentration camps”, in English they do not inform the numbers of dead in the camps, I found this difference strange, I will leave the link below, curiously there is no no reference linking the numbers of dead on the wiki of my language.
But on the English wiki they tell us that very few Jews were prisoners or forced laborers in the camps, that is, they went there just to die, on the wiki they just say the numbers of people registered in the camps, 1.65 million in which 1 million died Registered say nothing about the unregistered that orthodoxy rests. According to Adam Tooze, 800,000 of those killed were not Jews. According to Marc Buggeln, no more than 1% of the manpower for the production of weapons came from the concentration camps, which contradicts many of the revisionist sayings that maintain that Germany was desperate for manpower, this does not contradict the thesis that did the fields have a darker purpose?
Below is the link to the alleged death tolls for the German concentration camps, note that in the sum I made I left out the Jasenovac camp as it was not operated by Germans and the one at Maly Trostenets in Belarus I estimated 65,000 dead according to Yad Vashem.
https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lista_dos ... o_nazistas
But on the English wiki they tell us that very few Jews were prisoners or forced laborers in the camps, that is, they went there just to die, on the wiki they just say the numbers of people registered in the camps, 1.65 million in which 1 million died Registered say nothing about the unregistered that orthodoxy rests. According to Adam Tooze, 800,000 of those killed were not Jews. According to Marc Buggeln, no more than 1% of the manpower for the production of weapons came from the concentration camps, which contradicts many of the revisionist sayings that maintain that Germany was desperate for manpower, this does not contradict the thesis that did the fields have a darker purpose?
Below is the link to the alleged death tolls for the German concentration camps, note that in the sum I made I left out the Jasenovac camp as it was not operated by Germans and the one at Maly Trostenets in Belarus I estimated 65,000 dead according to Yad Vashem.
https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lista_dos ... o_nazistas
Re: Contradictions proper to the orthodoxy of the Holocaust?
The problem is that one can allege almost anything in connection with 'German Concentration Camps' and get away with it. So expect lots of fake and embellished stories there. People have no restraints and no remorse to lie about the wicked, when they do. It's an obsession and cult on its own.
Tons of information on concentration camps is spread. How much can actually substantiated is an matter. But as said, they can allege almost anything and disproving them is usually not feasible.
Tons of information on concentration camps is spread. How much can actually substantiated is an matter. But as said, they can allege almost anything and disproving them is usually not feasible.
Re: Contradictions proper to the orthodoxy of the Holocaust?
In the face of these numbers thrown to the wind, is there a revisionist accounting for all these fields or is it still an ongoing study? Of 4.3 million for orthodoxy how much is for revisionist numbers today even if they are not closed yet? Do revisionists agree with the official numbers of German camps within the former Reich or do they only disagree on the alleged death camps in Poland? What about the Einsatzgruppen reports, do they total the widely claimed numbers of 1.5 or 1.7 million as Raul Hilberg claims or is there another accounting? I researched that they say there are almost 200 stock reports from these units, how many do they total? I always had that doubt. I accept any link or article that may approach these doubts of mine.
Re: Contradictions proper to the orthodoxy of the Holocaust?
It is an ongoing study. There are revisionist works on most of the major camps and Carlo Mattogno recently wrote on the Einsatzgruppen. They are available in the Holocaust Handbooks series.
Re: Contradictions proper to the orthodoxy of the Holocaust?
TLSMS93 wrote:In the face of these numbers thrown to the wind, is there a revisionist accounting for all these fields or is it still an ongoing study? Of 4.3 million for orthodoxy how much is for revisionist numbers today even if they are not closed yet? Do revisionists agree with the official numbers of German camps within the former Reich or do they only disagree on the alleged death camps in Poland? What about the Einsatzgruppen reports, do they total the widely claimed numbers of 1.5 or 1.7 million as Raul Hilberg claims or is there another accounting? I researched that they say there are almost 200 stock reports from these units, how many do they total? I always had that doubt. I accept any link or article that may approach these doubts of mine.
The claim is that Jews were concentrated and then killed at specific places... That should have left large amounts of physical evidence. Where is it?
Now for concentration camps they use some copout. What we see is however that 'testimony' or 'documents' get cited. But there is no physical evidence worse showing. If that was done in any other context, it would not be believed and that for good reason.
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