Sacred Myths of the New World Order

[astro3]

Sacred Myths of the New World Order

I have previously mentioned to you a very informative book by Michael Ruppert entitled Crossing the Rubicon. I think it's one of the most exhaustive studies [over 900 footnotes] of 9-11 available today. That book is an absolute must for understanding the political situation today. Without having the basic understanding available within its pages would be like embarking on a long road trip without a map. Only a fool would do that!

Ernst Zundel, letter from prison, 6.11.06 (1)

Two nations of our modern world are now firmly based upon great untruths, such that their state structure would disintegrate if the truth emerged. Their structures would not be able to endure that light of truth. These nations are, the USA and Israel. Top echelons of the US government participated in the event of 9/11, whereby the US government conspired to kill its own citizens. That blood shed has been used to give a sacred meaning to the hoax, whereby foreign policy and the very fabric of modern American life is ordained by the ‘war on terror’.

That somewhat transcendental event licensed the Eternal War whereby the hopes and dreams of the human race for a bright new millennium were extinguished. Bad news for Muslims, it came about via the fatal embrace of Zionism with the Neo-cons. (2) That love-affair spawned this new nightmare, with its complex delusion-logic. (3) The crumbling Towers were the most vivid image ever seen by the human race, a supreme achievement of the necro-technocrats.

Can any Untruth compare to that one? Yes. Let us compare this supreme event to an earlier one so ruinous for the 20th century, an even more stupendous Untruth. Twice in the 20th century did Britain declare war on Germany, and to walk away on ‘moral high ground’ after perpetrating the most dreadful war crime in human history – deliberate city incineration, one at a time – it invented at Nuremberg ‘The Holocaust.’ It was primarily a British-American fabrication. Yes, Russia and ‘the Jews’ were also involved, but it was these two nations primarily which ordained at Nuremberg that German survivors on trial had to believe the horror-story. Ever since, nothing else about the morality of attacking Germany twice in one century ever needs to be discussed: ‘We had to fight Hitler,’ end of argument. But now a bright new page is being turned and its time to maintain on technical-scientific grounds that Zyklon-B for the German gas chambers was used very efficiently to delouse mattresses etc but there is certainly no evidence that any human being entered such a gas-chamber: no documents, no photos, no physical remains – nothing. Just stories. Very lucrative stories, with the German government shelling out to anyone claiming to be a ‘Holocaust survivor.’

So the state of Israel is founded in the aftermath of that stupendous Untruth. It becomes a sacred myth, eternally war-justifying. It expresses the very definition of Evil. Debate is forbidden , it becomes the one and only subject on which one never hears any evidence, but you know how wrong it would be to doubt. No UK politician could express doubt over the ‘six million’ and hope to survive. Its high time to shatter these myths, otherwise we will become the People of the Lie, living worthless lives because they are grounded on Untruth.

Let's discuss the Bad-Arolsen archives and how many deaths they record as having taken place in the German WW2 labour camps, its quite an interesting subject. Why is this never mentioned in the media? But, I don’t want to hear that Jewish arithmetic, with its mind-control mantra of ‘six million.’ No thanks.

So there are strong emotions involved. We need the ‘volcanic’ experience of collectively discussing these issues, and let it all come out. I do object to not being allowed to debate the matter. Britain is one of the remaining countries in Europe where you are not yet jailed for doubting the H. but any public building allowing a public debate on the topic knows that there would soon be Jews round to disrupt the meeting – and worse. The Holocaust myth has been described as ‘the first great WMD fraud orchestrated by the U.S. Government and its allies’ (Bradley Smith). All ‘Holocaust Studies’ courses in the UK need to be closed down, because they do not permit doubt and so are an insult to traditions of British learning – students are not given any ‘revisionist’ texts, the Sacred Myth is not doubted.

Say No to Thoughtcrime! The New World Order is perpetrating a global fascist empire of darkness, of Untruth and endless War, in which everyone lives in fear, in which torture is going on, and the most effective thing anyone can now do against it, is to undermine these two supreme Sacred Myths. The ‘Endlosung der Jugenfrage’ the goal- or ‘final’- solution to the Jewish question, always meant export Eastwards, never did it have a lethal meaning. The Germans didn’t do it. The Muslims never did it.

The planes eternally crash into the Towers, in our minds. But who did it? It wasn't Bin Laden that's for sure. (4) The Enemies of Mankind weave these webs of Illusion! Both of these deceptive stories serve to lock in place, very dramatically, a fictional 'enemy.' Al-Qaeda does not really exist, in the same way that the 'sonderkommandos' who sprinkled in the Zyklon-B never existed. Civilised life can develop, if we are prepared to work to dissolve these enemy images and to realise that we don't need them. Let's try to follow the example of Persia/Iran which showed such wonderful courage in denouncing both of them. Maybe we need to listen to women a bit more, concerning how culture could possibly exist without 'the Enemy.'

"See in my line of work, you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda."

George W. Bush: Rochester, New York on May 24, 2005

1. www.rense.com/general71/zuzn.htm. NB, Ruppert's Crossing the Rubicon is the only 9/11 book I've come across which alludes to Israel and Israeli-Mossad involvement. Other excellent 9/11 books such as David Ray Griffin's The New pearl Harbour (2004) or Webster Tarpley's 9/11 Synthetic Terror(2005) just don't go into this side of the matter. The event was surely not organised solely by renegade elements of the US intelligence and military.
2. Michael Collins Piper, The High Priests of War 2004.
3. See web-essays by Christopher Bollyn, or this writer's essay 9/11 and Zion www.911action.org/911-and-zion/
4. Author's essay: www.911action.org/the-last-days-of-bin-laden/

[Reinhard]

Ruppert's Crossing the Rubicon is the only 9/11 book I've come across which alludes to Israel and Israeli-Mossad involvement. Other excellent 9/11 books such as David Ray Griffin's The New pearl Harbour (2004) or Webster Tarpley's 9/11 Synthetic Terror(2005) just don't go into this side of the matter. The event was surely not organised solely by renegade elements of the US intelligence and military.

I've read on a website that former Italian President of State Francesco Cossiga is said to have mentioned in the well know Italian daily newspaper Corriere della Sera from 30. Nov. 2007 that all Secret Intelligence Services in the whole world "know that 9/11 has been planned and performed by the American CIA and the Israeli Mossad".

This more than sensational statement of a former president of one of Europe's most important states in one of the most respected newspapers of that country has - as far as I know - never been quoted or reported by any other (print or electronic) media and thus been made disappear in the "memory hole".

Perhaps one of our Italian readers can translate this Corierre della Sera - article for us all?

[...] Da ambienti vicini a Palazzo Chigi, centro nevralgico di direzione dell'intelligence italiana, si fa notare che la non autenticità del video è testimoniata dal fatto che Osama Bin Laden in esso 'confessa' che Al Qaeda sarebbe stato l'autore dell'attentato dell'11 settembre alle due torri in New York, mentre tutti gli ambienti democratici d'America e d'Europa, con in prima linea quelli del centrosinistra italiano, sanno ormai bene che il disastroso attentato è stato pianificato e realizzato dalla CIA americana e dal Mossad con l'aiuto del mondo sionista per mettere sotto accusa i Paesi arabi e per indurre le potenze occidentali ad intervenire sia in Iraq sia in Afghanistan. [...]

Source: http://www.corriere.it/politica/07_novembre_30/osama_berlusconi_cossiga_27f4ccee-9f55-11dc-8807-0003ba99c53b.shtml

[astro3]

It was quoted here:

Mr. Cossiga commented on a purported new video from Osama bin Laden: "From areas around the Palazzo Chigi, nerve centre of direction of Italian intelligence, it is noted that the non-authenticity of the video is supported by the fact that Osama bin Laden in it 'confessed' that Al Qaeda was responsible for the 9/11 attack on the Twin Towers in New York. However, all of the democratic areas of America and of Europe, with the Italian center-left in the forefront, now know full well that the disastrous attack was planned and executed by the American CIA and Mossad with the help of the Zionist world to falsely incriminate Arabic countries and to persuade the Western Powers to intervene in Iraq and Afghanistan.")

http://patriotsquestion911.com/ (scroll ¾ of the way down)
Then yesterday, Tuesday March 11th, the Italian newspaper that Reinhart here alludes to wrote:

Former Italian president Francesco Cossiga, the man who revealed the existence of Operation Gladio, says that the September 11, 2001 attacks were orchestrated by the CIA and Mossad, and that this was common knowledge amongst global intelligence agencies.

http://911sig.blogspot.com/2008/03/ex-i ... e-job.html That's a very brave thing for him to say!

[NovyMir]

Yes, "common knowledge amongst global intelligence agencies".
That's because they are all in on it. America, Israel, Britain, Germany etc... imaginary nation-states and figure-head politicians subservient to the capstone with the all-seeing eye.
"Reality Check":
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 8303944474

[astro3]

11th March, 2004 - Madrid

And what a day to make his statement! 3.11 – four years earlier, on 11 March, 2004 the bombs went off in Madrid railway station … and that was 911 days after 9/11! Muslims were blamed of course, they are now in jail, but … there were no CCTV images of 'bombers' and their rucksacks loading, at any railway station in Madrid that morning; the story was of Muslim suicide bombers carrying rucksacks - but no witnesses reported seeing Muslims with bulky rucksacks in the Alcala de Henares railway station. The whole thing was an inside job with government explosive experts involved, and a ‘frame up’ 13th rucksack mysteriously appeared in a police station in the early hours of the next morning with ‘clues’ incriminating the Muslims, now in jail. A trail of ‘clues’ was left such as a van with Korans in and some detonators, get it?

What really mattered here was unmentioned in any newspapers, that NATO had just been holding its 5-day annual international exercise ‘CMX 2004’ which lasted from March 4th – 10th. It had been all about ‘anti-terror’ drills and had taken place in various European capital cities – then the next day, exactly what they had been rehearsing actually happened. The anti-terror drills give the cover for those constructing the event. The New World Order needs its (nonexistent) Islamic-terror enemy, and following 9/11 the Madrid atrocity served to bring it over to Europe.

The Sacred Myth of 9/11 for the refounding of America and traducing of its Constitution needs artificial or ‘false-flag’ terror that must continually appear, to reinforce its message. Italians need to listen up to what their former President Francesco Cossiga has to tell them, he’s clearly a wise man! He's deeply familar with the 'Gladio' operations whereby NATO elements had secretly organised terror-events in Europe, to instil fear of 'the Communists' of which the 1980 Bologna train bombing in 1980 killing 85 people was the best known.*

Europe does not need The Enemy, and especially does not need American mythmakers to tell it who that Enemy might be. Or, if we need one, the 'Enemy' is the military-industrial complex itself, and the Untruth which it generates. The Axis of Evil US/UK comprises the two nations which spend more than any others in the world on the military. The Axis of Evil US/UK is dedicated to Eternal War, it will always generate the Reasons for War. It was more deeply involved in the 'Gladio' terror operations against European civilians than any other nations, as emerges from Ganser's book. At Nuremberg in 1946, the US/UK imposed the great Untruth upon the defeated Germans.

* See Daniel Ganser, NATO's Secret armies, Operation Gladio and Terrorism in Western Europe (2005)

[Moderator]

OK gents, stay on topic.
M1

[astro3]

The Lie that Created Israel

What is a sacred Myth? Paul Grubach in his recent article The Holocaust as Sacred Myth and Ideology (The Revisionist, 2007, Vol.23) explained:
‘In a political sense, here is how "myth" is defined: "Any false belief that is
(a) of symbolic importance in the emotional life of the believer,
(b) based in a need to believe rather than in rational conviction,
(c) associated with stories that are accepted not as history (or not on historical evidence), but as illustrations or parables,
(d) endowed with a ‘sacred’ quality, which it can confer on the social relations, institutions or political arrangements associated with it, so granting them an air of legitimacy."
Grubach adds that,

Non-Jewish American and British power elites also have a vested interest in promoting the Holocaust ideology. As historian Jeffrey Herf recently revealed in his study, The Jewish Enemy, the Holocaust ideology paints the American and British in a good and ethical light, and thus "justifies" their entire war effort against Germany. As Herf makes clear, one of the important characteristics of mass propaganda is that it appeals to stark contrasts between good and evil. The Holocaust doctrine fills the bill perfectly. Reports of the Final Solution [the Nazi attempt to exterminate the Jews during WWII] underscored the stark moral dichotomy between Nazi Germany and its allies, on the one hand, and the United Nations [Americans, British, etc.,] on the other. They reinforced the Allies’ conviction that this was a war between freedom and tyranny, good and evil, civilization and barbarism.

The Greatest Lie Ever Told is now Israel’s Holy of Holies, its Sacred Founding-Myth, beyond rational debate or polite doubt. Grubach quotes a New York Times editorial moaning about the Iranian Holocaust conference (December 15, 2006) which had just finished:

President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of Iran apparently believes his claims that the murder of six million Jews by the Nazis is a myth ginned up to justify the creation of the state of Israel. This is frightening enough. Couple that with his calls to wipe Israel off the map…

Let us reply to this with three numbers, and may they burn forever in your soul: number of Jews who died in WW2, slightly over one million; number of jews who died in German labour-camps, slightly under two hundred thousand; number who there died from cyanide poisoning, zero.

The story was created by Britain and America over 1942-6 such that it was indubitable at the Nuremberg Trials, for the reasons so well explained by Grubach: we should reject the NYT claim that it was ‘ginned up to justify the creation of the state of Israel.’ That was an end-result, but it is unhistorical to credit the US/UK with having had this as their primary purpose.

America and Israel are both dedicated to Eternal War and both have terrifying, delusive myths upon which they are now founded. They have much in common, and that is bad news for the Human Race. Grubach quotes how, in May of 2003,

expressing a cornerstone of American foreign policy, Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice told Israel’s daily Yediot Aharonot that the "security of Israel is the key to the security of the world."

Persons of rational persuasion must surely agree with the Iranian view, that the state of Israel needs to fade from the pages of history. The horror of the 1947 United Nations resolution which legitimised that state was twofold. Firstly it called for the creation of a ‘Jewish State’ – so a theocratic state was set up, inherently racist. Second, it contained no qualification about treating local residents and neighbouring states respectfully – as had the 1919 Balfour Declaration.

A Virtuous Israeli Citizen
There is a way of virtue and righteousness for Israeli citizens, as recently defined by Tel Aviv University historian, Prof. Shlomo Sand (1), author of "Matai ve'ech humtza ha'am hayehudi?" "When and How the Jewish People Was Invented?"; and this involves a total commitment to multiculturalism:

We must begin to work hard to transform our place into an Israeli republic where ethnic origin, as well as faith, will not be relevant in the eyes of the law. Anyone who is acquainted with the young elites of the Israeli Arab community can see that they will not agree to live in a country that declares it is not theirs. If I were a Palestinian I would rebel against a state like that, but even as an Israeli I am rebelling against it.

Prof Sand suggests, for example, that Israel should ‘add an hour in memory of the Nakba [literally, the "catastrophe" - the Palestinian term for what happened when Israel was established], between Memorial Day and Independence Day.’

His research is just so good, let's quote a chunk of it:

So when, in fact, was the Jewish people invented, in Sand's view? At a certain stage in the 19th century, intellectuals of Jewish origin in Germany, influenced by the folk character of German nationalism, took upon themselves the task of inventing a people "retrospectively," out of a thirst to create a modern Jewish people. From historian Heinrich Graetz on, Jewish historians began to draw the history of Judaism as the history of a nation that had been a kingdom, became a wandering people and ultimately turned around and went back to its birthplace.

After being forcibly exiled from their land, the people remained faithful to it throughout their Dispersion and never ceased to pray and hope for their return to it and for the restoration in it of their political freedom" - thus states the preamble to the Israeli Declaration of Independence. This is also the quotation that opens the third chapter of Sand's book, entitled "The Invention of the Diaspora." Sand argues that the Jewish people's exile from its land never happened.

The supreme paradigm of exile was needed in order to construct a long-range memory in which an imagined and exiled nation-race was posited as the direct continuation of 'the people of the Bible' that preceded it," Sand explains. Under the influence of other historians who have dealt with the same issue in recent years, he argues that the exile of the Jewish people is originally a Christian myth that depicted that event as divine punishment imposed on the Jews for having rejected the Christian gospel.

I started looking in research studies about the exile from the land - a constitutive event in Jewish history, almost like the Holocaust. But to my astonishment I discovered that it has no literature. The reason is that no one exiled the people of the country. The Romans did not exile peoples and they could not have done so even if they had wanted to.

So here we have another Founding Myth of modern Israel, again totally delusive.

1. www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/966952.html There is also a fine essay by Israel Shamir in his (banned-and-burnt) book, Flowers of Galilee advocating an open and pluralistic multiculturalism as the future of Israel.

[astro3]

9-11 AS SACRED MYTH

The Bush campaign [2004] presented the 9/11 myth as a new compulsory pagan civic mystery cult of which their candidate was the high priest. Bush unwaveringly built his entire campaign on the demagogic ethos of 9/11 and its related chauvinistic and racist themes. (Webster Tarpley, 9-11 Synthetic terror, Made in USA, 2005, p.440).

In the wake of 9/11, strong mythic/religious themes were invoked to define the new good/evil polarity and block out rational thought. A 'phantom menace' was born, 'Al-Qaeda.' America gave itself the right to invade any nation it reckoned might be 'harbouring terrorists.' Muslim nations experienced the full depth of their demonisation, and henceforth Americans had to put up with hysterical terror propaganda in their mass media. America experienced a new unifying force, which it had badly needed ever since the 'communist' enemy had disappeared in 1991. However this unity was of a psychotically deranged kind, with continual 'homeland Security' warnings of imminent 'Al-qaeda' attack.

Let's quote that discerning German philosopher Ernst Zundel at this point, writing to his wife from prison:

Remember the study by the U.S. War College published during the week of those tragic events of September '01? The report was leaked, the Washington insiders' way of alerting the public to problems and dangers suppressed by the ruling oligarchy. It fingered only one nation that could initiate something [like 9/11] and then blame it on others.
http://www.rense.com/general69/zui.htm Zundel to Ingrid, 26.1.06

That report came out the very day before 9/11! On September 10th 2001, the Washington Post ran a story about a report issued by the U.S. Army School for Advanced Military Studies, which had commented thus, about Mossad: ‘”Wildcard. Ruthless and cunning. Has capability to target U.S. forces and make it look like a Palestinian/Arab act.”

Its not easy to get details of Israeli involvement in the construction of this event, and I'd here like to recommend all the essays by Christopher Bollyn: www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/columnist.asp?ID=6
Eg,

It is widely reported that President George W. Bush will nominate former Manhattan federal Judge Michael [Bernard] Mukasey to replace Alberto Gonzales as attorney general. With the fraudulent "War on Terror" in full swing and with 9-11 cases in legal limbo, this is a critical appointment at a crucial time.

As I had expected, Bush has appointed a radical Zionist with close ties to the State of Israel. Mukasey, if confirmed as U.S. Attorney General, will protect the Zionist state and its agents who are suspected of involvement in the false-flag terror attacks of 9-11. Mukasey already has a long record of doing this as the presiding judge of other cases closely connected with 9-11, such as the Larry Silverstein insurance claims against the insurers,
he played a key role in the nation's response to the Sept. 11 attacks, which brought down the World Trade Center towers just blocks from Mukasey's courthouse.

In the days after the attacks, Mukasey and other New York judges worked behind closed doors, seeing some of the first material witnesses detained by federal authorities. This must have included a large number of Israelis, particularly the "five dancing Israelis," who were seen celebrating as they videotaped the destruction of the World Trade Center.

These five Israelis, two of whom were known Mossad agents to U.S. law enforcement, were returned to Israel after having failed lie-detector tests. The jubilant Israeli intelligence agents caught photographing the attacks on the World Trade Center were allowed to return to Israel where they divulged the purpose of their mission on a television program: “Our purpose was to document the event," one of them said in Hebrew.

www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=7211

[Reinhard]

Then yesterday, Tuesday March 11th, the Italian newspaper that Reinhart here alludes to wrote:

Former Italian president Francesco Cossiga, the man who revealed the existence of Operation Gladio, says that the September 11, 2001 attacks were orchestrated by the CIA and Mossad, and that this was common knowledge amongst global intelligence agencies.

http://911sig.blogspot.com/2008/03/ex-i ... e-job.html That's a very brave thing for him to say!

[...]

And what a day to make his statement! 3.11 – four years earlier, on 11 March, 2004 the bombs went off in Madrid railway station

That's not correct, the article from Corriere della Sera is from Nov. 30th, 2007 as you can see from the date at the end of the article:

30 novembre 2007

http://www.corriere.it/politica/07_novembre_30/osama_berlusconi_cossiga_27f4ccee-9f55-11dc-8807-0003ba99c53b.shtml

[astro3]

Let's look a bit further at how Sacred Myth functions in modern society, here quoting a lecture given by the US philosopher/Theologian David Ray Griffin. He shows how the Sacred Myth produces a very strong, simple polarity between Good versus Evil, which is handy for a politician to work with, and I suggest that the Holocaust myth does something rather similar.

from DRG Lecture, '9/11 Myth and Reality' (1)
Although I am a philosopher of religion and theologian, I have spent most of my time during the past three years on 9/11---studying it, writing about it, and speaking about it. In this lecture, I will try to make clear why I believe this issue worthy of so much time and energy. I will do this in terms of the distinction between myth and reality. I am here using the term "myth" in two senses. In one sense, a myth is an idea that, while widely believed, is false, failing to correspond with reality.

In a deeper sense, which is employed by students of religion, a myth serves as an orienting and mobilizing story for a people, a story that reminds them who they are and why they do what they do. When a story is called as a myth in this sense---which we can call Myth with a capital M---the focus is not on the story's relation to reality but on its function. This orienting and mobilizing function is possible, moreover, only because Myths with a capital M have religious overtones. Such a Myth is a Sacred Story.

However, although to note that a story functions as a Myth in the religious sense is not necessarily to deny its truth, a story cannot function as a Sacred Myth within a community or nation unless it is believed to be true. In most cases, moreover, the truth of the Myth is taken on faith. It is not a matter of debate. If some people have the bad taste to question the truth of the Sacred Story, the keepers of the faith do not enter into debate with them. Rather, they ignore them or denounce them as blasphemers.

According to the official story about 9/11, America, because of its goodness, was attacked by fanatical Arab Muslims who hate our freedoms. This story has functioned as a Sacred Myth for the United States since that fateful day. And this function appears to have been carefully orchestrated. The very next day, President Bush announced his intention to lead "a monumental struggle of Good versus Evil." Then on September 13, he declared that the following day would be a National Day of Prayer and Remembrance for the Victims of the Terrorist Attacks. And on that next day, the president himself, surrounded by Billy Graham, a cardinal, a rabbi, and an imam, delivered a sermon in the national cathedral, saying:

Our responsibility to history is already clear: to answer these attacks and rid the world of Evil. War has been waged against us by stealth and deceit and murder. This nation is peaceful, but fierce when stirred to anger. . . . In every generation, the world has produced enemies of human freedom. They have attacked America, because we are freedom's home and defender. And the commitment of our fathers is now the calling of our time. . . . [W]e ask almighty God to watch over our nation, and grant us patience and resolve in all that is to come. . . . And may He always guide our country. God bless America.

Through this unprecedented event, in which the president of the United States issued a declaration of war from a cathedral, French author Thierry Meyssan observed in 2002, "the American government consecrated . . . its version of events. From then on, any questioning of the official truth would be seen as sacrilege." (2)

That attitude has remained dominant in the public sphere until this day, as the official account has continued to serve as a Sacred Story. When people raise questions about this story, they are either ignored, ridiculed as conspiracy theorists, or---as Charlie Sheen has recently experienced---attacked personally. When anyone asks what right the administration has to invade and occupy other countries, to imprison people indefinitely without due process, or even to ignore various laws, the answer is always the same: "9/11." Those who believe that US law and international law should be respected are dismissed as having "a pre-9/11 mind-set."

Given the role the official account of 9/11 has played and continues to play, the most important question before our country today is whether this account, besides being a Myth in the religious sense, is also a myth in the pejorative sense---that is, whether it is simply false.

As a philosopher of religion, I would emphasize that the fact that a story has served as a Myth in the religious sense does not necessarily mean that it fails to correspond with reality. Many religious accounts contain at least a kernel of truth that can be defended in terms of a rational examination of the relevant evidence.

In many cases, however, stories that have served as religious Myths cannot stand up to rational scrutiny. When such a story is stripped of its halo and treated simply as a theory, rather than an unquestionable dogma, it cannot be defended as the best theory to account for the relevant facts. The official account of 9/11 is such a theory. When challenges to it are not treated as blasphemy, it can easily be seen to be composed of a number of ideas that are myths in the sense of not corresponding with reality. Using the word "myth" from now on only in this pejorative sense, I will discuss nine of the major myths contained in the official story about 9/11. I will thereby show that the official account of 9/11 cannot be defended, in light of the relevant evidence, against the main alternative account, according to which 9/11 was an inside job, orchestrated by people within our own government.

1. delivered March 30, 2006, at Grand Lake Theater in Oakland www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20060405112622982
2. T. Meyssan, 9/11: The Big Lie, 79.

[Hannover]

astro3:

Let's look a bit further at how Sacred Myth functions in modern society ...

Excellent example, astro3.

Simply replace '9/11' with 'holocaust' for a near perfect fit. We add "nine" or more of the 'holocaust' story's own claims, show their absurdity, and bingo.

- Hannover

[Sailor]

astro,

You mean that 9/11 was arranged by the CIA and the Israeli Mossad, because some book says so, and which was confirmed by a former Italian president?
You must be kidding. This is total nonsense.

There has to be more proof than that to be convincing!

[Goethe]

astro,

You mean that 9/11 was arranged by the CIA and the Israeli Mossad, because some book says so, and which was confirmed by a former Italian president?
You must be kidding. This is total nonsense.

There has to be more proof than that to be convincing!

Hello, earth to Sailor, come in ...
http://www.911docs.net/

[Haldan]

astro,

You mean that 9/11 was arranged by the CIA and the Israeli Mossad, because some book says so, and which was confirmed by a former Italian president?
You must be kidding. This is total nonsense.

There has to be more proof than that to be convincing!

Hello, earth to Sailor, come in ...
http://www.911docs.net/

I've always deeply disliked how these 911 groups use the Reichstag fire to their advantage, with the argument that it was orchestrated by Göring (or simply the "nazis"), for which there is not a shred of evidence for - to the contrary.
That is one avenue they must consider to drop. In any case, I don't care about 911 and we shouldn't get involved with it. If 911 was a hoax, planned and orchestrated by some governments or agencies, it will surface as such over time.
Truth has this odd characteristic way of surfacing in one way or the other. We on the other hand ought only to focus on the libelous and dumbfounded claims of a "holocaust" with its illogical "gas chambers" and leave the 911-issue for others to investigate, or whatever they do.

Faithfully,
-haldan

[Moderator]

OK, let's stay on topic. For those that do not accept the US govt's 9/11 conspiracy theory and want to make a comparison to the 'Holocaust' story, it's understandable, but we run the risk of discussing 9/11 rather than the 'H' story. We cannot do that here. Thanks.

M1