Himmler's Voice

[fireofice]

I believe that the Posen Speech attributed to Himmler doesn't pose a problem for revisionism if authentic. I do however want to bring up one aspect of this speech and the recording of it. According to SS General Berger, he said this about the audio:

It’s an intermediate thing between the voice of Himmler and Hitler. […] That is not Heinrich Himmler’s voice.

Then later said:

It might be Heinrich Himmler’s voice.

I've heard the Posen audio before, but I could never verify Berger's claim since I never had another audio that we know is Himmler's voice to compare it to. However, I just came across an audio that is definitely of Himmler. Here it is:

https://twitter.com/kamptillseger/statu ... 2325492742

Here's the Posen speech audio:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7XqaesNrlg

Now I have to say, these voices definitely sound different to me. The voice of the Posen speech sounds deeper, and I can even see what Berger meant by saying that it sounds intermediate between Himmler and Hitler.

Am I going crazy here? This really doesn't matter to me either way. I am completely fine accepting that the Posen audio is authentic. In fact, I am kind of uncomfortable coming to this conclusion because it makes me sound more on the kookier end of revisionism. I am very interested in the opinions of others here, whether they agree or disagree. Does anyone else think these voices sound the same, or are they different?

[curioussoul]

I think they can definitely be the same voice. But it's very hard to tell given the low quality of the recording, different buildings, different microphones, etc. In my mind, the two voices have similar sound profiles and intonation, so I'm not ruling out the possibility that the Posen speech is Himmler's voice. My biggest issue with the Posen speech is probably the fact that the portion about "ausrottung" makes little sense in the context of the speech as a whole and the subject matter of the talk. As many people have pointed out, it seems like a crude attempt at inserting a criminal meaning into an otherwise pretty bland speech. The audio recording seems to disprove this hypothesis, given that there seems to be no obvious break in the recording or in the voice of the speaker.

But as you say, I don't really think the Posen speech is that much of a problem for revisionists. Anyone who is familiar with National Socialist war-time rhetoric and the reality of the German deportation policy would understand that Himmler's comments come off as mere bluster. If this was a "face-off" speech admitting to the Holocaust, it would never have been recorded or held before this audience. Again: Hitler spoke openly of "ausrottung" in public speeches and diplomatic talks on numerous occasions. No serious observer at the time (or even today) interpreted these speeches as advocating for the physical extermination of the Jews. Hitler would varyingly use the phrases "the Jewish race", "Jewish finance", "Jewish bolshevism", "Judaism", "international Jewry", "international finance Jewry", etc.

[Hektor]

I think they can definitely be the same voice. But it's very hard to tell given the low quality of the recording, different buildings, different microphones, etc. In my mind, the two voices have similar sound profiles and intonation, so I'm not ruling out the possibility that the Posen speech is Himmler's voice. My biggest issue with the Posen speech is probably the fact that the portion about "ausrottung" makes little sense in the context of the speech as a whole and the subject matter of the talk. As many people have pointed out, it seems like a crude attempt at inserting a criminal meaning into an otherwise pretty bland speech. The audio recording seems to disprove this hypothesis, given that there seems to be no obvious break in the recording or in the voice of the speaker.
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The part with the 'Ausrottung' is indeed rather odd. It doesn't fit in the context as the text also says that it is 'in the Party-program'. Well, it isn't in the party program, not at all. And even if one accepts the text as original... It doesn't follow that there 'was a Holocaust'... Since it can be understood in terms of purging areas of Jews supporting the partisans, communist functionaries, etc. The general revisionist position is that such executions did indeed occur. It just happens to be 'genocidal', since the intent/motive was retaliation or securing of an area. One can find such measures brutal and that's understandable. But this and far more brutal and cruel measures were used by the Allies against Axis populations and yet virtually nobody blinks an eye. So additionally to malicious interpretation of factoids, we are dealing with hypocrisy as well.

[hermod]

Even not-very-talented voice imitators can easily produce quite convincing recordings of famous people saying things they never said in the real world. Some of them do it on a daily basis for humorous purposes. Perhaps one of the easiest forgeries to manufacture about someone.

Obama and Trump are gamers?!?









(I remember "Obama" saying that he would start World War III in a such a video.
What could an anti-American propagandist have done with such a recording?)

[Whodunnit?]

I have probably heard hundreds of recordings of Hitler, and possibly over a hundred of Goebbels. I can't imagine that these are recordings of the same person. Of course, there are probably no voice recognition-specialists with extra expertise in 1940's recording technology here. But I have never heard two speeches by the same person where the differences are as big as here. The twitter-link is the first time I have ever heard Himmler's real voice, and I was dumbfounded. In my opinion, this is a different person. The difference is just what Berger said: the Posen one is "sonorous".

Btw, a couple of years ago Youtube recommended this to me:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wst0Yo2c91M

You don't have to watch this. It is an actor reading the full text of Himmler's Posen-speech. It was aired on German TV in 2001. Why did they take an actor? One possibility is the additon of his facial reaction. The other one might be that at this time (56 years after the end of WW2) too many Germans knew how Himmler's real voice sounded like.

[EtienneSC]

The two recordings sound like different voices to me. Human beings can identify individual voices. However, as German is not my native language, I can't judge the intonation or accent intuitively. The video clip sounds like the natural voice of someone who would command confidence and loyalty, whereas the Posen speech sounds like someone speaking woodenly who would probably inspire fear.

It's an important find. I had assumed that if there were records of Himmler speaking they would have been used already to verify the authenticity of the Posen speech. It's strange how it's left to revisionist amateurs (no offence) to make elementary inquiries and come up with such information.

Voice recognition software exists. My bank used to use it for phone banking, but then backed off for legal reasons. If there is someone with the curiosity and ability to apply it here, it might settle the matter. As Artificial Intelligence develops, it may make it difficult to distinguish real recordings from fake.

The Posen and Sondhoven speeches would be important if they were genuine and unaltered, as they would be evidences of a crime against established European laws and usages of war. I know already that war crimes happen and the scope of what is said is unclear, but I'd still find it morally significant - killing children, after all.

[hermod]

Now I have to say, these voices definitely sound different to me. The voice of the Posen speech sounds deeper, and I can even see what Berger meant by saying that it sounds intermediate between Himmler and Hitler.

At a postwar show trial,
"is not" + "might be" = "is"
when useful for the narrative of the victors.

https://postimg.cc/T51nMqhR

[Hektor]

I have probably heard hundreds of recordings of Hitler, and possibly over a hundred of Goebbels. I can't imagine that these are recordings of the same person. Of course, there are probably no voice recognition-specialists with extra expertise in 1940's recording technology here. But I have never heard two speeches by the same person where the differences are as big as here. The twitter-link is the first time I have ever heard Himmler's real voice, and I was dumbfounded. In my opinion, this is a different person. The difference is just what Berger said: the Posen one is "sonorous".

Btw, a couple of years ago Youtube recommended this to me:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wst0Yo2c91M

You don't have to watch this. It is an actor reading the full text of Himmler's Posen-speech. It was aired on German TV in 2001. Why did they take an actor? One possibility is the additon of his facial reaction. The other one might be that at this time (56 years after the end of WW2) too many Germans knew how Himmler's real voice sounded like.

Indeed it may have been a concern that there were still people around that knew how Himmler spoke. And they for sure didn't want to them tell too many people that "Himmler sounded differently"... Other reasons possible.


There is other Himmler speeches and perhaps it's worthwhile to do comparison.


Assuming a forgery, how would a forger done it? To get passages into it, copy stuff spoken by Himmler and reedit it. This may be a bit edgy, but it is a possibility.

[Hieldner]

There’s another video recording with Himmler’s voice here https://www.criticalpast.com/video/65675030674_Heinrich-Himmler_German-National-Guard_Nazi-leaders_medals_swastika_Hitler-Youth. Again, only a short clip. There are many recordings of Himmler speeches on archive.org https://archive.org/search?query=subject%3A%22Tondokumente+und+Reden+vor+1945%22+Himmler, including the alleged Posen speech.

The voice of the Posen speech sounds deeper,

It depends on the speed at which the recording is played. I don’t think you can definitely say that the voice is deeper on one recording. To me the voice in the video you linked to sounds higher than in the one I linked to, but I could be wrong. Without further information, I wouldn’t be able to tell for sure whether these are the same persons speaking.

Now many forum members will be surprised to hear that Heinrich Himmler had a secret singing career before 1933. He has occasionally filled in for jazz singer Paul Godwin and has even made a few recordings under the latter’s name. Among them is the recording of the song Du bist als Kind zu heiß gebadet worden (You were bathed too hot as a child), here are the translated lyrics:

You were bathed too hot as a child,
You must have been harmed in the process.
My dear friend, I’ll tell you to your face
You don’t interest me, you don’t interest me
You were bathed too hot as a child,
And I'm sure you’ve been harmed.
So I advise you at all costs
If you’re going to bathe, don’t bathe too hot.

Paul Godwin (Heinrich Himmler) mit seinen Jazz-Symphonikern. Du bist als Kind zu heiß gebadet worden. One-Step (Ed. May, Text: Friedrich Schwarz, Hans Pflanzer) mit Refraingesang. Grammophon 21 774 (B 50 474), 1928. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLcUKuoL6-Y.

You will notice that the voice sounds slightly different here than in the speech in question, but that is only because this is Heinrich Himmler’s singing voice in the 1920s. All this may sound like a very far-fetched claim, but if you think that, I recommend you listen to the recording more closely and think about other claims about the Holocaust. And if you cannot prove that this is definitely not Heinrich Himmler’s singing, how will you ever prove who is on the recordings of the Posen speeches?

More significant than Berger’s changing opinion about who is heard on the recording is in my opinion that the witness couldn’t remember any of these extraordinary remarks being made by Himmler.

Q. Yes. Now, I ask you once more, and I remind you that you're under oath, whether this document that you have before you now corresponds to the speech that Himmler made at that time.
A. Today, again, under oath, I can only reaffirm that I do not remember this document, as it stands here; and all these things are missing in the document which concerned me personally. And there was quite a substantial portion of that, too. It con­cerned the Germanic Directorate and mainly matters concerning Estonia and Latvia.

Trials of war criminals before the Nuremberg Military Tribunals under Control Council law no. 10, Nuremberg, October 1946–April, 1949, The United States against Ernst von Weizsäcker, et. al., “The Ministries Case,” vol. 13, Washington: U.S. Government Printing Office, 1950, p. 482.

As has already been discussed here viewtopic.php?f=2&t=12397&p=93895&hilit#p93895, an alleged Himmler speech in 1940 introduced as evidence at the IMT by the Soviets was admitted by HC to be a forgery: https://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2019/03/correction-corner-8-alleged-himmler.html. This and the content of some other speeches would indicate a greater forgery action by the Allies, while David Irving’s remarks on retyped pages, the page jumps in PS-1919 and the interpretations by many revisionists would indicate only a smaller one.

And there’s another alleged Himmler speech discovered by the OWI. Does anyone know where and when it was “made public”?

The U.S. Office of War Information made public a speech delivered by Heinrich Himmler to high German officers on October 14, 1943, in which he advocated a policy of stealing Eastern European children from their parents.

“Either we win over good blood that we can use for ourselves and give it a place in our people or—gentlemen, you may call this cruel, but nature is cruel—we destroy this blood. But we cannot answer for it to our sons and ancestors if we leave this blood on the other side, thus letting our enemies gain able leaders and able commanders. It would be cowardly for the present generation to shirk this decision.”

The Jewish Black Book Committee. The Black Book: The Nazi Crime Against the Jewish People. New York: American Book-Stratford Press, 1946, p. 246.

[Whodunnit?]

I hope you are sure about his

Now many forum members will be surprised to hear that Heinrich Himmler had a secret singing career before 1933. He has occasionally filled in for jazz singer Paul Godwin and has even made a few recordings under the latter’s name. Among them is the recording of the song Du bist als Kind zu heiß gebadet worden (You were bathed too hot as a child), here are the translated lyrics:

You were bathed too hot as a child,
You must have been harmed in the process.
My dear friend, I’ll tell you to your face
You don’t interest me, you don’t interest me
You were bathed too hot as a child,
And I'm sure you’ve been harmed.
So I advise you at all costs
If you’re going to bathe, don’t bathe too hot.

Paul Godwin (Heinrich Himmler) mit seinen Jazz-Symphonikern. Du bist als Kind zu heiß gebadet worden. One-Step (Ed. May, Text: Friedrich Schwarz, Hans Pflanzer) mit Refraingesang. Grammophon 21 774 (B 50 474), 1928. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLcUKuoL6-Y.

Paul Godwin, real name "Pinchas Goldfein", born in Russia. I hope you are sure about that.

These speeches are better suited for a comparism. Here he's talking in a calmer voice in front of a small group, so a similar enviroment.

At the beginning of this speech he talks calmly to someone, like at the beginning of the Posen speech. The part is missing in the YT-video, but at the beginning of the full length speech he tells someone to lay a matress on some opening of a ventilation shaft, if I remember it correctly.

https://archive.org/details/19420619Hei ... erSS60m35s

Here he talks very calmly:

https://archive.org/details/19401213Hei ... ande29m47s

Here is a clip from a different Posen speech, 20 days later:

https://archive.org/details/19431024Hei ... kaempfe58s

Here the sound quality is similar:

https://archive.org/details/19440726Hei ... itsch9m09s

To me this still sounds different. The recording of the Posen speech is more deep toned, but still Himmler's voice tends to go higher and he speaks more monotonous and in a clipped manner. Himmler's speeches are not very pleasant to listen to.

You can't be 100% certain without a professional analysis

[Hieldner]

During the Posen speech of 4 October, 1943, you can hear the speaker turning the pages of a manuscript at several points where there is no thematic shift. Himmler gave his speeches almost completely free and only took a few notes with him as a reminder.

He rarely used a prepared text. Only four or five such texts can be identified in the available documents. He usually developed his speeches from notes he wrote down himself in German cursive, sometimes no more than a dozen words, but often detailed sketches of four, five, in some cases no less than eight cursorily written pages.

Bradley F. Smith, Agnes F. Peterson (eds.). Heinrich Himmler: Geheimreden 1933 bis 1945 und andere Ansprachen. Berlin, Wien: Propyläen Verlag, 1974, p. 251.

There are many such notes to be found in Himmler’s Dienstkalender (Der Dienstkalender Heinrich Himmlers 1941/42 edited by Peter Witte et al. Hamburg: Christians, 1999), e.g. on page 284, 293 f., 305, 320, 350, 351 f., ... A couple of times he misspeaks in a way that suggests to me that the speaker is reading from a page.

The following takes place at 9:37–11:33 in this speech, which appears totally ridiculous to me (the authors write of a corridor – Durchgang – whereas the speaker refers to a shaft – Schacht):

Especially during the war, he was concerned that his remarks might be leaked to the public. There is a revealing episode in his speech to SS leaders in Posen in October 1943 (it does not appear in the printed version). When Himmler discovered that a corridor between the room in which he was speaking and the hotel kitchen was open, he abruptly cut short his speech and, in an excited whisper, ordered it closed. Before a background of subordinates who hurried to carry out his request, Himmler gave the audience a long whispered explanation that such methods were necessary to prevent eavesdropping by the kitchen staff.

This image of the anxiously whispering SS leader striving to avoid eavesdropping by kitchen staff is one of the few engaging events in Himmler’s speaking career. NA Tape 242-256.

Ibid., p. 311–2.

In view of the nonsense the speaker spouts in some speeches, I have come to the conclusion that not only individual passages on the evacuation of the Jews are faked, but probably most of the recordings of speeches from the National Archives, which could have been recorded by a speaker from the Munich region with texts that are supposed to characterise Himmler as a crazed psychopath. It would be strange if some effort had not been made to demonise one of the favourite enemies of Allied propaganda. Indeed, most of the audio recordings had only been “discovered” in 1947 (see the quoted text below). At the IMT, only the Posen speech of 4 October was used, not even the one of 6 October. In fact, the text of the latter speech was only discovered in 1953! (Gerald Reitlinger. The SS: Alibi of a Nation. New York: The Viking Press, 1968, p. 172.)

To compare the voices, I have now correlated the extant audio recordings of Himmler’s speeches on archive.org, most of which appear to be from the National Archives, with the listing of audio recordings of Himmler’s speeches there. There are recordings of speeches on archive.org that are not in the National Archives and vice versa. I have added links and text in parentheses to entries where applicable. Where there are significant differences in the listed recording time and the playing time of the audio file, I have written the playing time in brackets after the respective entry. I have also underlined passages that seem important to me.

[…]

The Nazis made less effort to tap the propaganda potential of recordings, but they did grasp the efficiency potential of phonograph equipment. The SS, for example, used recording equipment to obtain transcripts of Himmler's speeches. During the 1930's many of Himmler's speeches were taken down in shorthand by secretaries or SS aides who later typed texts from these shorthand notes. Then, beginning in 1940, efforts were made to replace the stenographers with sound recording equipment. Though initial efforts were not very successful, by late 1942 the technique had been perfected and nearly all the extant typed and printed texts of Himmler speeches dating from 1943 and 1944 were derived from recordings made while Himmler was speaking. Goebbels also found speech recordings useful. After delivering an address, he could leisurely listen to the recording and make the changes that he felt would heighten the speech's propaganda effect. Then the propaganda ministry would issue a press release containing the edited text, or parts of it, which German newspapers would publish as if they were presenting the text of the original speech.

Though the recordings were chiefly just useful tools, Himmler, Goebbels, and other prominent Nazis were careful not to destroy the original discs. The Nazis' interest in preserving oral records matched their prodigious efforts to save written records of their rise to power and days of glory. The leaders of the Third Reich were convinced that they were participating in events of great historical magnitude, and, because of the importance they attached to the spoken word, it must have seemed obvious to them that the recordings should be preserved.

As World War II entered its last destructive phase and the rapid advance of the Allied armies turned the Nazi recordings into genuine "dustbin" history, havoc, disorganization, and the collapse of the German civil government scattered collections and destroyed materials. In this dazed and defeated country, overrun by conquering armies, there was little time or opportunity to worry about the preservation of anything as fragile and seemingly unimportant as Nazi phonograph records. Furthermore, Allied military authorities, as well as individual soldiers, had sharply different ideas about what should be done with the recordings they found. Some left them where they were, some seized them as captured documents, and others, presumably, destroyed them. In consequence, pure chance determined the selection process by which certain recordings moved upward through the chain of command to take their place as part of a U.S. Army collection of captured enemy records. The very randomness of this wartime and immediate postwar collection procedure should allay any suspicion that what remains is a group of recordings purposefully arranged to further the ends of Nazi propaganda.

By June 1947 so many Nazi recordings had found their way to the higher levels of the US War Department that the Army initiated a program to transfer some of them to the National Archives. The Adjutant General, Maj. Gen. Edward F. Witsell, requested on June 17 that the National Archives take custody of "approximately 525 sound recordings of Axis leaders and other propaganda material which appear to have permanent value." At that time the recordings were on loan from the Army to the Foreign Activities Correlation Division of the Department of State in Washington, D.C. The National Archives readily agreed in July 1947 to the transfer and assigned the 525 recordings to Record Group 242, National Archives Collection of Foreign Records Seized, 1941- , with the understanding that "these recordings are only a part of captured enemy records in the custody of the War Department" and that "other records will be transferred to the [National] Archives from time to time."

In fact there were additional groups of recordings being held by various military and civil authorities. One of the largest, and probably the most significant, was the collection that was assembled by the war crimes investigators at Nuernberg. This collection seems to have included a substantial number of Himmler's speeches. The prosecution readied some of these for use against SS men in the trials held between 1946 and 1949. Two of these recordings were covered by prosecution document numbers NG 4977 and NO 5909 for case 11, United States v. Weiszacker et al., but the recordings do not seem to have been used in court; one additional recording, however, was played in court during the same case as part of the evidence against SS Obergruppenfuhrer Gottlob Berger.

[…]

1. Bormann et al. "Speeches to the Reichs and Gauleitertagung." Posen, Oct.6, 1943. Approx. 6 hours, 15 min. Item 242-223, reels 1-13. According to the tagesprogramm, (Germany, Reichsfuhrer SS und Chef der deutschen Polizei. Personlicher Stab. Himmler Files. File 342. In Hoover Institution Collection) the meeting was opened by Martin Bormann. A speech by Albert Speer (there is an account of this speech in Albert Speer, Erinnerungen [Berlin, 1969], p. 325) was followed by speeches of his deputies: Willy Schliecker, the expert on American rearmament; Walther Rohland, the head of Panzer production; Karl Frydag, who was in charge of aircraft building; and Otto Merker, who was responsible for naval expansion. In the afternoon Erhard Milch spoke on the problems of the Luftwaffe, Karl Doenitz on the Navy, Wilhelm Schepmann on the SA, and Heinrich Himmler on the SS. A comparison with the typed text shows the recordings are complete. Disc sequence is numbered 1-87. The text for the speeches (with the exception of Heinrich Himmler's speech, in Reichsfuhrer SS. Personlicher Stab. Schriftgutverwaltung. Folder 63. EAP 161-b-12/82. Tl75, roll 85, frames 2610152-200) can be located on EAP 161-b-12/275. T175, roll 119, frames 2644970-075. Recordings of the above event are also available on tape at the Deutsche Rundfunk Archiv, Frankfurt. [Audio recording of Himmler’s speech missing.]

[…]

7. Himmler, Heinrich. "Speech to SS Fuhrer, Fifth Division 'Deutschland.'", Apeldoorn, Netherlands, Dec. 13, 1940. Approx. 34 min. Item 242-187, 242-188, 242-191. Incomplete. No text or notes are extant. Internal evidence indicates that this speech was given to the officers of the 5th Division during the brief interval in which it was called Division Deutschland. Weidinger dates such a visit and speech as December 13, 1940, but his account of the content of the speech does not coincide clearly with the extant fragments. See Otto Weidinger, Division Das Reich, 3 vols. (Osnabruck, 1967-73), vol. 2, p. 314-316. https://archive.org/details/19401213HeinrichHimmlerAnDieSSFuehrerDerDivisionDeutschlandInAppeldoornNiederlande29m47s.

8. Himmler, Heinrich. "Speech to the Commanders of the Waffen SS" ("Kommandeurbesprechung der Waffen SS"). Kasino der Leibstandarte, Berlin, Dec. 18, 1940. Approx. 8 min. Item 242-213. Incomplete. Discs 9 and 35 only. Comparison with speaker's notes indicates the recording consists of two brief disconnected passages from the speech. Speaker's notes are extant only from the files of correspondence kept by E. Lorenz, RF-SS Adjutantur. See EAP 161-b-12/264. T175, roll 112, frames 2636892-896. [Recording missing.]

9. Himmler, Heinrich. "Speech to the Officers of the Division 'Das Reich'" ("Rede zu dem Fuhrerkorps der Division 'Das Reich'"). Place unknown, June 19, 1942. Approx. 100 min. Item 242-202. Incomplete. Discs 7 and 21 missing. An abbreviated text is extant in the files of Reichsfuhrer SS. Personlicher Stab. Schriftgutverwaltung. Heft Nr. l2. EAP 161-b-12/327B. T175, roll 90, frames 2612900-910. As a basis of comparison, there are short gaps in the recording corresponding to pages 4 and 1O in the typed text. It should be noted, however, that the typed text is a summary with many cuts and rewordings and that the recording is more complete than the typed text. https://archive.org/details/19420619HeinrichHimmlerRedeInKiewZuDenFuehrernDerSS60m35s (60 min.).

10. Himmler, Heinrich. "Speech to the Commanders of an SS Panzerkorps" ("Kommandeurbesprechung SS Panzerkorps"). Charkov, Apr. 24, 1943. Approx. 80 min. Item 242-214. Text is extant in the unpublished file of PS-1919, IMT. On the basis of comparison with that text, there has been considerable editorial rewording in the typed text. https://archive.org/details/19430324HeinrichHimmlerRedeVorSSFuehrernImUniversitaetsgebaeudeVonCharkow60m46s (60 min.).

11. Himmler, Heinrich. "Speech to Junkerschule." Bad Tolz, May 27, 1943. Approx. 4 min. Item 242-179. Incomplete. Only disc 1 extant. This speech fragment is of very poor quality. Only notes for the speech are extant in PS-1919, IMT unpublished file. No satisfactory comparison can be made. [Recording missing]

12. Himmler, Heinrich. "Speech to the SS Officers" ("Rede zu den SS Fuhrern"). Posen, Oct. 4, 1943. Approx. 190 min. Item 242-256, 242-259, 242-257, 242-251, 242-252, 242-249, 242-264, 242-263, 242-250, 242-266, 242-180. The speech has been published in IMT, Trial of the Major War Criminals (Nuernberg, 1947-49), vol. 29, p. 110-173.
- https://archive.org/details/19431004HeinrichHimmlerRedeVorDemFuehrerkorpsVonSSUndPolizeiInPosenTeil12h00m
- https://archive.org/details/19431004HeinrichHimmlerRedeVorDemFuehrerkorpsVonSSUndPolizeiInPosenTeil2AlliierteFaelschung8m39s
- https://archive.org/details/19431004HeinrichHimmlerRedeVorDemFuehrerkorpsVonSSUndPolizeiInPosenTeil31h24m
- https://archive.org/details/19431004HeinrichHimmlerRedeVorDemFuehrerkorpsVonSSUndPolizeiInPosen3h33m. (This is a zip file containing the previous recordings as well as a PDF file in German putting forward the thesis that the section on the evacuation of the Jews has been manipulated.)

13. Himmler, Heinrich. "Speech to the Gauleiter" ("Rede auf der Gauleitertagung"). Posen, Oct. 6, 1943. Approx. 32 min. Item 242-189, 242-224. Incomplete. Only a very small section of the middle of the speech is reproduced, according to text in Reichsfuhrer SS. Personlicher Stab. Schriftgutverwaltung. Folder 63. EAP 161-b-12/82. Tl75, roll 85, frames 2610152-200. Recording also contains Wilhelm Schepmann's speech of the same date (see entry 43). For further information, see entry 1, "Speeches to the Reichs and Gauleitertagung." [Recording missing.]

14. Himmler, Heinrich. "Speech to the Army Generals" ("Rede zu den Befehlshabern der Wehrmacht"). Bad Schachen, Oct. 14, 1943. Approx. 165 min. Item 242-205. Comparison with the published text in IMT, Trial of the Major War Criminals (Nuernberg, Jewish 1947-49), vol. 37, p. 498-523, indicates the recording has one gap corresponding to pages 520-521 of the published text. Extant discs are numbered 1-35 in sequence; recording and text match very closely. The recording has short concluding remarks by an unidentified army officer. https://archive.org/details/19431014HeinrichHimmlerRedeVorBefehlshabernDerWehrmachtInBadSchachen1h42m (102 min.).

15. Himmler, Heinrich. "Speech for 'Tag der Freiheit, Warthegau.'" Posen, Oct. 24, 1943. Approx. 90 min. Item 242-204. Comparison with text in Reichsfuhrer SS. Personlicher Stab. Schriftgutverwaltung. Heft Nr. EAP 161-b-12/87. T175, roll 91, frames 2613053-075, indicates the recording and wording of the text match very closely. There are concluding remarks by Gauleiter Arthur Greiser.
- https://archive.org/details/19431024HeinrichHimmlerUndArthurGreiserRedeAmTagDerFreiheitInPosen92m59s
- https://archive.org/details/19431024HeinrichHimmlerInPosenZumTagDerFreiheitDesWarthegausUeberDieKommendenRassenkaempfe58s. (Short clip on coming “race wars” with Asia.)

16. Himmler, Heinrich. "Speech to the SS Fuhrer and Officials of the General Government" ("Rede vor den SS Fuhrern und Beamten des General Gouvernement"). Krakau, Nov. 18, 1943. Approx. 50 min. Item 242-218. Incomplete. In a sequence of 25, discs 1-7, 14, 16, l7, and 23 are missing. No typed text is extant. Notes for the speech are in Reichsfuhrer SS. Personlicher Stab. Schriftgutverwaltung. Heft Nr. 17. EAP 161-b-12/87. T175, roll 91, frames 2613195-198. https://archive.org/details/19431118HeinrichHimmlerAnspracheVorNeuenSSFuehrernImGeneralgouvernement52m04s.

17. Himmler, Heinrich. "Speech to the German Press" ("Rede vor der deutschcn Presse"). Weimar, Dec. 4, 1943. Approx. 65 min. Item 242-197. Incomplete In a sequence of 25, discs 1, 2, 23, and 24 are missing. Speaking notes are in Reichsfuhrer SS. Personlicher Stab. Schriftgutverwaltung. Heft Nr. l7. EAP 161-b-12/87. Tl75, roll 91, frames 2613169-171, the text is in Tl75, roll 91, frames 2613144-158 and 175. Both the notes and text omit the first part of the speech. An unidentified speaker makes concluding remarks, which are distorted by recording noise.
- https://archive.org/details/19431204HeinrichHimmlerRedeVorVertreternDerDeutschenPresseInWeimar1h07m
- https://archive.org/details/19431204HeinrichHimmlerRedeVorVertreternDerDeutschenPresseInWeimar40m11s. (This file says it’s only 40 minutes long, but it’s the same 67 min. recording encoded in worse quality.)

18. Himmler, Heinrich. "Speech to the Commanders of the Ordnungspolizei and the Police Presidents" ("Rede zu den Befehlshabern der Ordnungspolizei und den Polizeipraesidenten"). Hotel Ostland, Posen, Dec. 15, 1943. Approx. 72 min. Item 242-217. Incomplete. In a sequence of 41, discs 1-21 and 28 are missing. Only notes are extant in Reichsfuhrer SS. Personlicher Stab. Schriftgutverwaltung. Heft Nr. 16. EAP 161-b-12/87. T175, roll 91, frames 2613159-162. Comparison with notes indicates that the first half of the speech is missing from the recording. https://archive.org/details/19431215HeinrichHimmlerRedeVorBefehlshabernDerOrdnungspolizeiUndPolizeipraesidenten55m22s (55 min.).

19. Himmler, Heinrich. "Speech to the Generals." Sonthofen, May 5, 1944. Approx. 115 min. Item 242-200, 242-210. Speech was held as part of a political education program. Comparison with text as found in Reichsfuhrer SS. Personlicher Stab. Schriftgutverwaltung. Heft Nr. 22. EAP 161-b-12/280. T175, roll 92, frames 2613448-537, indicates the recording omits the equivalent of the text pages 34, 54, and 55. Disc sequence, however, is complete and numbered 1-43. https://archive.org/details/19440505HeinrichHimmlerUeberDasGesetzVonKampfUndAuslese5m10s. (5 min. clip.)

20. Himmler, Heinrich. "Speech to an Abwehr/SD Meeting" ("Rede zur Abwehr/SD Tagung"). Salzburg, May 15, 1944. Approx. 155 min. Item 242-203. Notes for the speech are in Reichsfuhrer SS. Personlicher Stab. Schriftgutverwaltung. Unnumbered folder. EAP 161-b-12/277. T175, roll 94, frames 2614681-688: two typed copies of the text are on roll 92, frames 2613547-633. Wording of the recording is nearly identical with the typed text. https://archive.org/details/19440515HeinrichHimmlerRedeAufEinerNachrichtendienstTagungInSalzburg1h59m.

21. Himmler, Heinrich. "Speech to the Commanders of the Galician SS Volunteer Infantry Division" ("Rede zu dem Fuhrerkorps der galizischen SS Freiwilligen Infanterie Division"). Neuhammer, May 16, 1944. Approx. 55 min. Item 242-206. Incomplete. In a sequence of 24, discs 21-23 are missing. Comparison with typed text in Reichsfuhrer SS. Personlicher Stab. Schriftgutverwaltung. Unnumbered folder. EAP 161-b-12/277. T175, roll 94, frames 2614657-675, indicated the recording is complete except for the last four paragraphs. The recording also includes a sentence-by-sentence translation into Ukrainian.
- https://archive.org/details/19440516HeinrichHimmlerRedeZuDemFuehrerkorpsDerGalizischenSSFreiwilligenInfanterieDivision54m05s
- https://archive.org/details/19440516HeinrichHimmlerVorDer14.WaffenGrenadierDivisionDerSSInDerUkraine2m47s. (2:48 min. clip.)

22. Himmler, Heinrich. "Speech to High-ranking Wehrmacht Officers" ("Rede vor den Teilnehmern des politisch-weltanschaulichen Lehrgangs"). Sonthofen, May 24, 1944. Approx. 105 min. Item 242-211. Incomplete. In a sequence of 25, discs 17-20 are missing. Comparison with text in Reichsfuhrer SS. Personlicher Stab. Schriftgutverwaltung. Unnumbered folder. EAP 161-b-12/277. T175, roll 94, frames 2614609-647, indicates the recording has a gap equivalent to pages 24-32 of the typed text. The wording on the recording is nearly identical with the typed text. This speech was one in a series of political education programs for high-ranking Wehrmacht officers. https://archive.org/details/19440524HeinrichHimmlerRedeVorTeilnehmernDesPolitischWeltanschaulichenLehrgangsInSonthofen1h17m (77 min.).

23. Himmler, Heinrich. "Speech to the Representatives of German Justice" ("Rede zu den Vertretern der deutschen Justiz"). Kochem, May 25, 1944. Approx. 170 min. Item 242-198. Incomplete. In a sequence of 41, disc 1 is missing. Comparison with the typed text in Reichsfuhrer SS. Personlicher Stab. Schriftgutverwaltung. Heft Nr. 27. EAP 161-b-12/88. T175, roll 93, frames 2613736-779, indicates the recording has sections missing equivalent to pages 1-4 of the typed text. In wording, the text and the recording are almost identical. There are brief concluding remarks on the recording by Justice Minister Otto Thierack.
- https://archive.org/details/19440525HeinrichHimmlerRedeVorVertreternDerDeutschenJustizInKochem1h44m (104 min.)
- https://archive.org/details/19440525HeinrichHimmlerVorVertreternDerJustizTeil11m54s (2 min. clip.)
- https://archive.org/details/19440525HeinrichHimmlerVorVertreternDerJustizTeil239s. (39 sec. clip.)

24. Himmler, Heinrich. "Speech to the Generals." Sonthofen, June 21, 1944. Approx. 100 min. Item 238-3940. Incomplete. Using the extant typed text of the speech in Reichsfuhrer SS. Personlicher Stab. Schriftgutverwaltung. Heft Nr. 28. EAP 161-b-12/88. T175, roll 93, fromes 2613945-992, as a basis of comparison, the equivalent text on the recording of pages 47-49 is missing. https://archive.org/details/19440621HeinrichHimmlerAnspracheInSonthofenVorGeneralenDerWehrmacht3m03s (3 min. clip).

25. Himmler, Heinrich. "Speech to the Officers of Infantry Division 544, Major General Ehrig, C.O." ("Rede zu den Offizieren der Infanterie Division 544, Volksgrenadier"). Grafenwohr, July 25, 1944. Approx. 32 min. Item 242-201. Incomplete. In a sequence of 33, discs 1-9, 14, 15, 17, and 20-32 are missing. Comparison with typed text in Reichsfuhrer SS. Personlicher Stab. Schriftgutverwaltung. Heft Nr. 28. EAP 161-b-12/88. T175, roll 93, frames 2613873-901, indicates the recording has gaps equivalent to pages 1-7, 13, and 18-28 of the text. https://archive.org/details/19440725HeinrichHimmlerAppellAnDieOffiziereDer544.VolksgrenadierDivisionInGrafenwoehr23m27s (23 min.).

26. Himmler, Heinrich. "Speech to the Officers of the 545 Infantry Division [Volksgrenadier], Colonel Obenaus, C.O." ("Rede vor dem Offizierskorps einer Grenadier Division auf dem Truppenubungsplatz Bitsch"). Bitsch, July 26, 1944. Approx. 180 min. Item 242-209. Comparison with text in Reichsfuhrer SS. Personlicher Stab. Schriftgutverwaltung. Heft Nr. 30. EAP 161-b-12/88. T175, roll 93, frames 2614140-169, indicates that the typed text and the recording match closely.
- https://archive.org/details/19440726HeinrichHimmlerVorDemOffizierskorpsEinerGrenadierDivisionAufDemTruppenubungsplatzBitsch1h56m (116 min.)
- https://archive.org/details/19440726HeinrichHimmlerVorDemOffizierskorpsEinerGrenadierDivisionAufDemTruppenubungsplatzBitsch9m09s (9 min. clip).

27. Himmler, Heinrich. "Speech to two Volksgrenadier Divisions" ("Rede zu zwei Volksgrenadier Divisionen"). Dorn, Aug. 13, 1944. Approx. 115 min. Item 242-190. Incomplete. In a sequence of 29, discs 17, 19, 21, and 23 are missing. No notes or text are extant for this speech.
- https://archive.org/details/19440813HeinrichHimmlerRedeVorZweiVolksgrenadierDivisionenInDorn1h19m (79 min.)
- https://archive.org/details/19440813HeinrichHimmlerRedeVorOffizierenVonVolksgrenadierDivisionenImOsten5m15s (5 min. clip.).

28. Himmler, Heinrich. "Speech to Officers of two Volksgrenadier Divisions; 543 Infantry, Lieutenant General Rasp, C.O., and 547 Infantry, Colonel Meiners, C.O." ("Rede vor dem Offizierkorps zweier Volksgrenadier Divisionen"). Munsingen, Aug. 27, 1944. Approx. 130 min. Item 242-195. Incomplete. In a sequence of 35, discs 22 and 23 are missing. No notes or text are extant for this speech. https://archive.org/details/19440827HeinrichHimmlerRedeVorDemOffizierkorpsVonZweiVolksgrenadierDivisionenInMunsingen1h42m (102 min.).

29. Himmler, Heinrich. "Speech to the Officers of a Volksgrenadier Division" ("Rede zu den Offizieren einer Volksgrenadier Division"). Place unknown, Aug. 29, 1944. Approx. 118 min. Item 242-254, 242-255, 242-269, 242-262, 242-253. No notes or text are extant. Speech was originally recorded on magnetic tape (30 IPS), but because only one recorder was used there are no overlapping sections. Based on internal evidence, the speech may be complete. https://archive.org/details/19440829HeinrichHimmlerRedeVorOffizierenEinerVolksgrenadierDivision1h33m.

30. Himmler, Heinrich. "Speech to the Commanding Officers of the Wehrkreise and the Commanding Officers of the Training Schools" ("Rede zu den Wehrkreisbefehlshabern und den Kommandeuren der Schulen"). Jagerhohe, Sept. 21, 1944. Approx. 120 min. Item 242-267, 242-258, 242-247, 242-248, 242-260, 242-265. Incomplete. Comparison with text extant in Reichsfuhrer SS. Personlicher Stab. Schriftgutverwaltung. Heft Nr. 26. EAP 16 1-b-12/276. T175, roll 92, frames 2613636-658, indicates the only gap in the original magnetic tape recording corresponds to pages 8 and 9 of the 23-page typed text. This recording, however, is more complete in a number of places (i.e., sections equivalent to pages 11 and 22) than the text, which contains substantial rewording. https://archive.org/details/19440921HeinrichHimmlerRedeVorWehrkreisbefehlshabernUndSchulkommandeurenInJaegerhoehe1h53m.

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https://www.archives.gov/research/captured-german-records/sound-recordings.html#speech.

Audio recordings of Himmler speeches not listed at the National Archives:

- https://archive.org/details/1932XxXxHeinrichHimmlerAnspracheAnDieSS3m54s
- https://archive.org/details/19330611HeinrichHimmlerWirSindDasSchwertDerRevolution24s
- https://archive.org/details/1941XxXxHeinrichHimmlerAufnahmeNeuerRekrutenInDieNiederlaendischeWaffenSS4m57s
- https://archive.org/details/1941XxXxVidkunQuislingUndHeinrichHimmlerVerpflichtungDerWaffenSSDivisionNordlandInOslo54m04s
- https://archive.org/details/19420606DeutscherRundfunkTrauerfeierFuerReinhardHeydrichGedenkredenVonHimmlerUndHitler6m31s
- https://archive.org/details/19440803HeinrichHimmlerAufDerTagungDerReichsgauUndVerbandsleiterInPosen1m05s
- https://archive.org/details/19440803HeinrichHimmlerRedeVorReichsUndGauleiternInPosen1m44s
- https://archive.org/details/19440803HeinrichHimmlerRedeVorReichsUndGauleiternInPosenUeberDasAufspuerenVonWiderstaendlern1m05s
- https://archive.org/details/19440803HeinrichHimmlerRedeVorReichsUndGauleiternInPosenUeberDasWiederholenDerVe
- https://archive.org/details/19440803HeinrichHimmlerRedeVorReichsUndGauleiternInPosenUeberDenSelektionsprozessDerNatur59s
- https://archive.org/details/19440803HeinrichHimmlerUeberDieAushebungDerGruppeUmDieAttentaeterDes20.Juli1m14s
- https://archive.org/details/19440923HeinrichHimmlerZurErrichtungDesVolkssturms28m13s. (This is the audio track of the video I linked to in my previous post. It is from Wochenschau no. 738.)

[Hieldner]

Paul Godwin, real name "Pinchas Goldfein", born in Russia. I hope you are sure about that.

That was just a poor attempt at a little joke to illustrate my point. An evidently failed attempt

You can't be 100% certain without a professional analysis

That was what I was trying to get at. There’s no way you can be 100% certain when it is not an obviously different voice. These recordings are a suggestive propaganda tool for the Holocausters, but they offer no real proof who the speaker was other than that he may have come out of the Munich region like Heinrich Himmler.

And if you cannot prove that this is definitely not Heinrich Himmler’s singing, how will you ever prove who is on the recordings of the Posen speeches?