Holocaust Death Toll?

[Pikawa]

Simply asking for numbers since there are plenty of estimates out there:

-6 Million (Wikipedia) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust
-6 million (USHMM) https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/ ... ersecution
-5,4 to 5,8 (Science.org) https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.aau7292
-6 million (nationalww2museum) https://www.nationalww2museum.org/war/a ... /holocaust
-6 million (Statista.com) https://www.statista.com/chart/24024/nu ... zi-regime/
Add more sources later......

[Lamprecht]

Simply asking for numbers

Numbers of what? The "Holocaust" narrative as alleged is a fantasy. Therefore, the death toll is exactly "Zero" since there was no "Holocaust" in the first place.
That's not to say that people did not die during the Second World War. The death toll attributed to WWII is over 50 million worldwide, mostly civilians, and that is excluding all so-called "Holocaust deaths." Non-Jewish civilians and soldiers died by the millions in WWII. Jewish civilians and soldiers also died in WWII. A soldier in the Red Army being killed in battle I do not count as a "Holocaust death" even if that soldier happened to have been an ethnic Jew.

[borjastick]

I think it was Dalton who said that the best estimate of jewish deaths during the period of Hitler's power from natural causes would be about 900,000. That's normal deaths in the regular way people die from disease, natural causes, terminal illness etc.

Then you look at those who would have died during the war as other people did, from air raids, military service etc.

Then look at the proof from the six so called 'death camps' or 'factories of death' given that there were six in total -Chelmno, Belzec, Treblinka, Majdanek, Sobibor and Auschwitz. Four of the six were completely dismantled and had no evidence whatsoever of any wrong doing when 'liberated' by those good old Russians. We do know that some died at Majdanek and Auschwitz but there is no proof of gas chambers, mass murder and intent to genocide the jews.

So how many jews died in the holocaust? I don't know.

[Otium]

Read this:

Holocaust Victims: A Statistical Analysis
https://codoh.com/library/document/holo ... alysis/en/

[borjastick]

Read this:

Holocaust Victims: A Statistical Analysis
https://codoh.com/library/document/holo ... alysis/en/

I'd like to buy a copy of Sanning's book as mentioned in the report you showed. Do you know its title and where it might be for sale? I guess ebay.

[Otium]

Read this:

Holocaust Victims: A Statistical Analysis
https://codoh.com/library/document/holo ... alysis/en/

I'd like to buy a copy of Sanning's book as mentioned in the report you showed. Do you know its title and where it might be for sale? I guess ebay.

Yeah:

https://shop.codoh.com/book/the-dissolu ... ry-en/387/
https://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?page_id=29

[borjastick]

Read this:

Holocaust Victims: A Statistical Analysis
https://codoh.com/library/document/holo ... alysis/en/

I'd like to buy a copy of Sanning's book as mentioned in the report you showed. Do you know its title and where it might be for sale? I guess ebay.

Yeah:

https://shop.codoh.com/book/the-dissolu ... ry-en/387/
https://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?page_id=29

Ordered!

[slob]

Sick of their BS, considering for 60 years we were told the lie of 4 million died just at Auschwitz, they make it all up as they go along!



So by their reckoning, in the next 6 months or so until liberation over 3 million+ jews were killed there, after this article!!! I am sorry, but they are deluded people!

[Mortimer]

Simply asking for numbers since there are plenty of estimates out there:

-6 Million (Wikipedia) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust
-6 million (USHMM) https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/ ... ersecution
-5,4 to 5,8 (Science.org) https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.aau7292
-6 million (nationalww2museum) https://www.nationalww2museum.org/war/a ... /holocaust
-6 million (Statista.com) https://www.statista.com/chart/24024/nu ... zi-regime/
Add more sources later......

The figure of 6 million Jews being killed/dying existed a long time before World War 2. It was used in World War 1 and even earlier by Jewish propagandists. It is not realistic and shows that they were attempting to create an image in the public mind which has been accepted only because of constant repetition.
https://codoh.com/library/document/the- ... of-the/en/

[Pikawa]

Could you please explain me, how does mentioning 6 milion Jews before 1941 discproves Holocaust? I don't get it....
Btw. you should Google other numbers of Jews you will find mentions of 4 million Jews, 5 million Jews or even 10 Milion Jews exct...

[EtienneSC]

Could you please explain me, how does mentioning 6 milion Jews before 1941 discproves Holocaust? I don't get it....
Btw. you should Google other numbers of Jews you will find mentions of 4 million Jews, 5 million Jews or even 10 Milion Jews exct...

Your question misrepresents the article and video in the link. It is not just "mentioning" of six million that is being pointed out , but claims that that number of Jews are "in peril", or being "exterminated". When I google "five million Jews" and a year interval it is still the six million number that comes up in the results. Without specifying a year, it is modern stories that come up (e.g. the number of Jews currently in the USA).

Obviously, the pre-existence of the six million number in the foreign press does not "disprove" the Holocaust, it only suggests another explanation of the "six million" number than any kind of calculation or summation. This is also the subject of a recent Israeli film:


The main components of the Holocaust narrative are:

A policy to kill all the Jews in Europe (or the world)
The killing of large numbers of people in "gas chambers" or "gas vans" at "death camps" or "extermination camps"
The shooting of large numbers of people by the Einsatzgruppen
The destruction of all or most of the evidence of the above.

The main efforts of revisionism over the years have been to question these elements and examine the evidence for them. The main results are in book form in the Holocaust Handbooks series and in some cases in the associated videos, which are convenient summaries of the main arguments.

[forasanerworld]

Could you please explain me, how does mentioning 6 milion Jews before 1941 discproves Holocaust? I don't get it....
Btw. you should Google other numbers of Jews you will find mentions of 4 million Jews, 5 million Jews or even 10 Milion Jews exct...

It doesn't "disprove the Holocaust" but demonstrates its longterm use as propaganda, the earliest use I have seen dates from 1890s while in around
1912/15 the New York Times bellowed headlines of "Six Million in Peril" referring of course to those Jews under Russian (Imperial) governance, it called for donations as aid and millions $ we received, it can't be a coincidence that millions $ were transmitted from major Wall Street jewish banks to Frankfurt and thence to Lenin, Main Street USA, overwhelmingly Gentile, could be seen as having funded the genocide of 40,000,000 Orthodox Christians of Russian ethnicity, while churches were demolished or desecrated and bishops, priests, and monks were murdered in thousands the synagogues were untouched, no rabbi was ever forced to work on the roads, I can give quotes from contemporary Jewish publications claiming the synergy of the main tenets of Bolshevism and Judaism.

I have actually developed my interpretation, I await comment, I think there was a holocaust but not in the "Hollywoodised" version, but in the literral sense of a "sacrifice upon an altar and wholly burned", it involved jews but millions of Gentiles too, the whole raison d'etre for WWI, the Versailles Treaty, and WWII was to secure a soverign base for the operation of political (atheistical) Zionism, the directors of that simply didn't care and to some degree valued the sacrifice of Jewish life as it provided part of the foundational myth; look at this way, not all Italians are Sicillians, nt all Sicillians are members of the Mafia, the Mafia are/were overwhelmingly both the former and are violent criminals, what would they have done with a soverign base of operations? To be continued.

[Mortimer]

Could you please explain me, how does mentioning 6 milion Jews before 1941 discproves Holocaust? I don't get it....
Btw. you should Google other numbers of Jews you will find mentions of 4 million Jews, 5 million Jews or even 10 Milion Jews exct...

It proves that the 6 million figure was around for decades prior to World War 2. It is proof that the general public should be wary of holocaust claims. Do you believe that 6 million Jews died during World War 1 ?
The 6 million death toll 1914-18 is bogus just like the claims of "gassings" during that conflict are bogus.
https://codoh.com/library/document/a-re ... e-myth/en/

Do holocaust denial laws prove the holocaust is genuine ? Does sending people to prison in Austria, Belgium, France, Germany, Italy, Romania and other countries prove the holocaust ?
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=14264

[borjastick]

Could you please explain me, how does mentioning 6 milion Jews before 1941 discproves Holocaust? I don't get it....
Btw. you should Google other numbers of Jews you will find mentions of 4 million Jews, 5 million Jews or even 10 Milion Jews exct...

It proves that the 6 million figure was around for decades prior to World War 2. It is proof that the general public should be wary of holocaust claims. Do you believe that 6 million Jews died during World War 1 ?
The 6 million death toll 1914-18 is bogus just like the claims of "gassings" during that conflict are bogus.
https://codoh.com/library/document/a-re ... e-myth/en/

Do holocaust denial laws prove the holocaust is genuine ? Does sending people to prison in Austria, Belgium, France, Germany, Italy, Romania and other countries prove the holocaust ?
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=14264

When discussing the holocaust I nearly always start with the numbers claim game. I ask the person if they really believe that 6m jews were murdered in just a handful of places and if so where is the evidence etc? Once you establish, if you can, that 6m didn't die and that no gas chambers were ever found (working or otherwise) then it is down to the details of what actually happened.

On this wonderful and moving day january 27th where we remember the lies of the holocaust it is worth noting that Lord Danny Finkelstein of UK said yesterday in an interview that he will remember that his great grandfather and mother survived the holocaust. Eh?

[Hektor]

Presumes Holocaust. They're peddling the 6 million figure and it remains the same, even if they revise partial figures. That shows you that it is sort of a dogma. But it also seems to be pretty irrelevant, as facts and figures don't seem to be the real concern here. It's all about the emotion and horror. Even if they'd think only "one Jew died during the Holocaust", it would still be enough to sustain the cult.

Bear in mind that, while we dispute the narrative being peddled, we don't dispute that Jews were deported and detained during world war two by the axis, or that they were subject to special measures... We even don't dispute that they were killed at occasions, just that relevant context matters.

But that doesn't matter to the cult adherents. They simply make an a priori assumption of truth of the Holocaust they venerated. Of course any evidence you'd give them will be (re)interpreted that way.