Hungarian Jews had babies at Dachau / photo

[Hannover]

Definitely a photo that some folks don't want you to see.

- Hannover

These Hungarian Jewish mothers with their babies were photograph ed at Dachau on May 1, 1945, two days after the liberation of the camp. The official US Army caption reports that these Jewish babies were born during the final months of German control of the camp. (US Army photo SC 205488.)

source: http://codoh.com/library/document/2870

[TheBlackRabbitofInlé]

Six Jewish babies born in Dachau reunite 65 years later

German television is to air a television documentary which explores the miracle of how these three infant boys and four infant girls slipped through the cracks of the Nazi killing machine.

Haaretz, April 27, 2010
http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/2.2 ... r-1.285012

"three infant boys and four infant girls"

Three plus four is seven in my part of the world.

[Hohenems]

Sometimes actually reading the whole article helps.

Six of the seven former concentration camp babies are to attend the reunion - their first - at Dachau this Thursday for the opening of a special exhibition on the fate of mothers in the Dachau camps. Germany's ARD television is to air the documentary Wednesday.

[Jerzy Ulicki-Rek]

Black Rabbit,,
The last one run away and was living with wolfs ..Don't be picky

But..let's have a look what we have this time.

"U.S. soldiers who liberated a Nazi concentration camp in April 1945 were amazed to discover, among the countless famished and dead, seven Jewish mothers and their babies, who had somehow avoided execution or starvation.

This week, six of those former babies are to gather for an emotional reunion at Dachau on the outskirts of Munich.

German television is to air a television documentary which explores the miracle of how these three infant boys and four infant girls slipped through the cracks of the Nazi killing machine.

George, Jossi, Leslie, Marika, Agnes, Judit and Szuzi spent the first months of their lives in Kaufering I, a camp 50 kilometres west of Munich.

Marika Novakova, 65, never understood when she was growing up in the Slovakian small town of Dunajska Streda why her birth certificate said she had been born in Kaufering, a village in Bavaria. It did not make sense, but her mother refused to explain why.
(To hide her from those SS-beast who were killing the jewish babies long after the war..That's obvious..-Jerzy)

A couple of documentary makers employed by German broadcaster WDR, Eva Gruberova and Martina Gawaz, asked the mother for an interview, but Eva Fleischmanova refused. Finally she re-considered. As the cameras filmed, she unveiled her past.

Fleischmanova describes the horrors of the war, how she was nearly gassed at Auschwitz and ended up in Kaufering. She tells of her daughter's birth in captivity, and how she kept her personal Holocaust story secret because of anti-Semitism in Slovakia.

Miriam Rosenthal, 87, can barely bring herself to speak in some sections of the documentary. Holding her son Leslie, she can be seen with Fleischmanova in the extraordinary, 65-year-old, black-and-white photo of the young mothers between bunks in a dormitory.

The two woman documentary makers began their research using that photo.

Miriam Rosenthal's description of the war years on camera is the first time she spoke German again after leaving Germany for Canada.

She and her husband, also a Holocaust survivor, built a new life for Leslie and themselves in Toronto.

The horrors of the past still loom over Miriam, who often breaks into tears as she speaks.

"As a girl, I imagined I had been born in a forest," says Marika Novakova.
(I told you.That's the one from wolfs..-Jerzy)
"All my mother would tell me was that people were treated very cruelly there. I did not know what sort of place it was at all."

The documentary makers take Marika on a journey to the way-stations of her mother's ordeal: to the fence at Auschwitz, to the German city of Augsburg where the women were used as slave labour in a arms factory, and to Kaufering I.

(What about crucifiction-Jerzy)

Dachau concentration camp had several satellite camps like Kaufering where slave labour was kept close to factories.

Marika's mother was twice inspected by Josef Mengele, the doctor of death at Auschwitz, as he selected those to be killed and those to be kept for labor. [u]He pinched her breast to see if milk came out

(dr Mengele in Dachau?-Jerzy )

Eva Fleischmanova somehow managed to hold in her belly so that he did not notice she was pregnant.
(Lucky dr Mengele didn't "pinched her breast to see if milk came out" .She could end in Dachau's gas chamber..-Jerzy )
Heinrich Himmler, head of the SS, was determined to exterminate all Jewish children. His policy was set out in the secret speech he gave at Poznan, Poland on October 6, 1943.

"I do not consider it justifiable to exterminate the men, meaning to kill them or get them to be killed, while allowing the revengers, in the form of children, to grow up and face our sons and grandsons," said Himmler.

The Nazis deliberately killed children: the toll of minors in the Holocaust is estimated at as much as 1.5 million.

Miriam Rosenthal also remembers the moment when she narrowly escaped being put to death.

"An SS man came round with a loudspeaker and he was shouting, 'All the women come outside. You've been given a double ration of bread.'"

Most of the women obeyed, but Rosenthal stayed indoors. A voice inside told her to stop. "All those women ended up in the crematorium," she said.

Rosenthal was shipped from Auschwitz to Kaufering at the age of 22.

The young mothers survived in Kaufering thanks to the solidarity of other women prisoners, who cared for the newborns when the mothers were summoned to work. Fellow prisoners hid the babies and gave them water and food.

The seven mothers and their babies scattered after the Second World War. It was Rosenthal who re-opened a connection by sending a copy of the black-and-white photo to her former fellow inmate Fleischmanova.

The daughter Marika saw the picture and resolved to fly to Canada to meet Rosenthal to hear the story of her first weeks of life.

"I would never have dreamed I would see little Marika again," Rosenthal said.

Six of the seven former concentration camp babies are to attend the reunion - their first - at Dachau this Thursday for the opening of a special exhibition on the fate of mothers in the Dachau camps. Germany's ARD television is to air the documentary Wednesday."

No comments


Jerzy

[borjastick]

The women look healthy, happy and well fed.

The woman who claimed she was nearly gassed in auschwitz proves that people were moved in and out of the camps.

Generally this story gives the lie to many of the standard and well oiled holocaustian claims.

[Jerzy Ulicki-Rek]

The women look healthy, happy and well fed.

The woman who claimed she was nearly gassed in auschwitz proves that people were moved in and out of the camps.

Generally this story gives the lie to many of the standard and well oiled holocaustian claims.

And how it looks like with the official version of Hungarian jews "gassed' en masse in Auschwitz?
Official version says : 440 000
- 7 ...

Jerzy

[Kladderadatsch]

LOL, way to scoop me guys. I've been researching this topic recently.

For now, here's a couple of things I've picked up along the way.

First, you can watch the Miriam Rosenthal that the story mentions make her "200 pregnant women" claim here:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdZbxB-aLOA[/youtube]

(For the full documentary, without subtitles, see here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXSKlCxZ2kA&feature=youtu.be.)

The funny thing about this, apart from the absurdity of the basic claim itself, is that it's contradicted by other versions of the story which Miriam has told on other occasions. For example, in the book "Geboren im KZ," co-authored by one of the producers of the same documentary that the clip above is taken from, the number of women is not 200 but 50, and there are other significant differences as well:

Ob ein Häftling in Auschwitz am Leben bleibt oder nicht, ist vor allem eine Frage des Glücks. Das erfährt auch Miriam. Eines Tages, sie steht gerade mit anderen Frauen Appell, kündigt ein SS-Mann Unglaubliches an: «Alle schwangeren Frauen hervortreten! Sie bekommen eine doppelte Essenportion!» Etwa fünfzig Frauen drängen nach vorne, Miriam ist die Letzte. Eine doppelte Portion, das ist die Erfüllung all ihrer Träume. Die neidvollen Blicke der anderen Frauen begleiten die vermeintlich Glücklichen. Aber Erna traut der SS nicht. Das kluge Mädchen hat in wenigen Wochen schon genug gesehen, als dass sie solchen Versprechungen noch Glauben schenken würde. Ihr Instinkt sagt ihr, dass es sich um eine Falle handelt. «Du darfst nicht gehen», fleht sie Miriam an. Die zögert. Der Hunger ist so stark. Dann aber dreht sie sich um und läuft schnell zurück. Miriam weiß, dass Erna sie damals vor dem Tod gerettet hat. Die SS versprach bessere Behandlung und mehr Essen, um der Schwangeren in der Masse der Gefangenen habhaft zu werden. Die Frauen wurden vergast. . . . «Dort, im Lager, konnte man am besten erkennen, wer ein gutes Herz hatte. Ernuschka war ein Engel. Ich werde es ihr niemals vergessen.»

-- Gruberová and Zeller, Geboren im KZ, p. 77

Whether a prisoner in Auschwitz stayed alive or not was above all a question of luck. Miriam learned that first hand herself. One day, as she was standing with other women at roll call, an SS-Man announced the incredible: "All pregnant women step forward. You are going to get a double portion of food." Some fifty women surged forward; Miriam was last. A double portion: that was the fulfillment of all their dreams. The envious looks of the other women followed the "lucky ones." But Erna did not trust the SS. The clever girl had seen enough in a few short weeks that she put no faith in such promises any more. Her instincts told her that it was a trap. "You must not go," she begged Miriam. Miriam hesitated. Her hunger was so strong. But then she turned around and ran quickly back. Miriam knows that Erna saved her life on that occasion. The SS promised better treatment and more to eat simply to get the pregnant women to come out of the mass of prisoners. The women were gassed. . . . "There, in the camp, one really learned who had a good heart. Ernuschka was an angel. I will never forget it of her."

Going further afield, there are yet other versions of the story in which no mention is made of numbers at all (as in the Haaretz story quoted above, come to think of it--though that may have been the work of an editor who smelled a potentially embarrassing fishtale in Miriam's "testimony"), and even a "Holocaust Survivor's Story" from the 80's, published under Miriam's own name, which neglects to mention the incident altogether. (I wonder, could it have just slipped her mind? )

Anyway, an obvious case of a story growing in the telling; basically that's what I was writing about. I had to shelve the project a month or so back because of other demands, but when I get around to finishing my piece, I'll post links here.

Beyond that, at the end of the article that Jerzy quotes above it says "No comments" (or was that just Jerzy commenting?), but it's worth noting that people haven't always been silent when this particular whopper has been trotted out by our media masters. For example, check out the comments in this epic thread on the site of Canada's National Post from last August. (Got to 379 comments before they hit the panic button, lol.) Of course, a lot of it is just the usual shrieking indignation at DENIERS, but there's some good pushback from skeptical voices as well--of course, that's how the thread got so long to start with. If you want to see the revisionist comments, however, you're going to have to click the "This comment is awaiting moderation. Show comment" buttons. LOL at the Post, they left the comments that say "But wait a minute, is that true?" and so on "awaiting moderation," but apparently have no problem at all with the responses that follow that scream "You idiot!!1!!1!" and "I hope you die in a fire" and the like. Talk about double standards. But the comments are still there, you just have to click.

Anyway, not a great thread (it could have used an injection of CODOH expertise), but a good example all the same of how cracks are starting to appear in the walls.

And if you want a real laugh, check out the comments in this article from Vos iz Neias? (What's news?), in which the (presumably) majority-Jewish commenting crowd gets into a slap fight over who the fathers might be and "what was transpiring between the male and female section of the camp." Oh lawdy lawdy lawdy . (For what it's worth, all of the "Dachau babies" apparently were legitimate . . . or at least that's what their moms say.)

And last but not least, I've already posted this to the "Soviets building stuff with Jewish tombstones" thread, but it belongs here too . . . here's Alzbeta Reiszowa again with her story about paving the streets at Plaszow with Jewish gravestones:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_kN6zP7sac[/youtube]

You see, Alzbeta is not only a certified Holocaust Survivor and Roadway Engineer™ , she's also one of the mothers of the Dachau seven. That's right, she was allegedly 3-4 months pregnant when she was digging up those Jewish corpses and paving those streets with Jewish gravestones--just imagine that!

Oh the humanity!

You couldn't make it up. Except of course, they do.