Hitler's Table Talk

[comrade seinfeld]

I have recently been reading "Hitler's Table Talk 1941-1944",
published by the Phoenix Press, prefaced by Hugh Trevor-Roper,

which is mostly concerned with a record of Hitler's conversations with
his closest colleagues at dinner, during most of 1941

and 1942. It was, of course, meant for a Nazi posterity, and so
Hitler was quite frank in his opinions, especially since he

was at the height of his powers at this time, before his defeats by
the Red Army. How it came to be published after the war

is quite a complicated process which Trevor-Roper details. As a
matter of interest, of course, I have detailed below

whatever Hitler had to say which touched on the Holocaust, which I
obtained by working from the index entries for "Jews".


After considering what Hitler had to say in this regard, I think it
should be apparent that there is no evidence for the

notion that Hitler intended to physically exterminate European Jewry,
including those in the Soviet Union. This is not to

say, of course, that Hitler may have decided that it was best to
physically exterminate as many Jews as possible when he

realised that his plans would not be realised, or that there were
others, such as Himmler, who may have already put into

operation plans for the physical extermination of the Jews, which
Hitler may have been forced to comply with, or even may

have not been aware of, which I think David Irving argues. Anyway, I
thought that it was important to consider what Hitler

is actually on record as having said in relation to what we know as
the Holocaust, as far as this book on his Table Talk is

concerned. I would naturally urge those interested in the Holocaust
debate to proffer their opinions as to what was the significance of
what Hitler had to say in this regard.




"If any people has the right to proceed to evacuations, it is we, for
we've often had to evacuate our own population. Eight

hundred thousand men had to emigrate from East Prussia alone. How
humanely sensitive we are is shown by the fact that we

consider it a maximum of brutality to have liberated our country from
six hundred thousand Jews. And yet we accepted,

without recrimination, and as something inevitable, the evacuation of
our own compatriots!"


"The snivelling in which some of the bourgeois are indulging nowadays,
on the pretext that the Jews have to clear out of

Germany, is just typical of these holier-than-thou's. Did they weep
when every year hundreds of thousands of Germans had to

emigrate, from inability to find a livelihood on our own soil? These
Germans had no kinsfolk in various parts of the world;

they were left to their own mercies, they went off into the unknown.
Nothing of that sort for the Jews, who have uncles,

nephews, cousins everywhere. In the circumstances, the pity shown by
our bourgeois is particularly out of place."


"... these companies ... were such a splendid hideout for the
draft-dodgers that in 1917 General Ludendorff was compelled to

order a new census of available manhood. He had in this connection
the misfortune to come up against the Frankfurter

Zeitung. The state of disintegration was by then such that he was not
in a position to overcome the intrigues of that

newspaper. The Frankfurter Zeitung (or rather the Jews who pulled the
strings of that paper) actually threatened to withdraw

its support of a new war loan, and even to advise industrial circles
not to subscribe to it, if the new census threatened by

Ludendorff were in fact made. And Ludendorff, of course, had not the
power to have these Jews brought to Berlin and hanged

in public. And it is these same Jews, experts in the stab-in-the-back
game, over whom our bourgeoisie now sheds tears when

we ship them off somewhere to the East! It is curious, all the same,
that our soft-hearted bourgeoisie has never shed any

tears over the two or three hundred thousand Germans, who, each year,
were compelled to leave their homeland, nor over those

among them who elected to go to Australia, and of whom 75 per cent
used to die en route."


"As soon as the Jews were allowed to stick their noses out of the
ghetto, the sense of honour and loyalty in trade began to

melt away. In fact, Judaism, this form of mental depravation that
must at all costs be abolished, has made the fixing of

prices to depend on the laws of supply and demand -- factors, that is
to say, which have nothing to do with the intrinsic

value of an article. By creating the system of caveat emptor, the Jew
has established a juridical basis for his rogueries.

And thus it is that during the last two centuries, and with rare
exceptions, our commerce has been dragged down to such a

level that it has become absolutely necessary to apply a remedy. One
first condition is necessary: to do away with the

Jews."


"As in everything, nature is the best instructor, even as regards
selection. One couldn't imagine a better activity on

Nature's part than that which consists in deciding the supremacy of
one creature over another by means of a constant

struggle. While we're on the subject, it's somewhat interesting to
observe that our upper classes, who've never bothered

about the hundreds of thousands of German emigrants or their poverty,
give way to a feeling of compassion regarding the fate

of the Jews whom we claim the right to expel. Our compatriots forget
too easily that the Jews have accomplices all over the

world, and that no beings have greater powers of resistance as regards
adaptation to climate. Jews can prosper anywhere,

even in Lapland and Siberia."


"If I withdraw fifty thousand Germans from Volhynia, that's a hard
decision to take, because of the sufferings it entails.

The same is true of the evacuation of Southern Tyrol. If I think of
shifting the Jew, our bourgeoisie becomes quite unhappy:

'What will happen to them?' Tell me whether this same bourgeoisie
bothered about what happened to our own compatriots who

were obliged to emigrate? ... One must act radically. When one pulls
out a tooth, one does it with a single tug, and the

pain quickly goes away. The Jew must clear out of Europe. Otherwise
no understanding will be possible between Europeans.

It's the Jew who prevents everything. When I think about it, I
realise that I'm extraordinarily humane. At the time of the

rule of the Popes, the Jews were mistreated in Rome. Until 1830,
eight Jews mounted on donkeys were led once a year through

the streets of Rome. For my part, I restrict myself to telling them
they must go away. If they break their pipes on the

journey, I can't do anything about it. But if they refuse to go
voluntarily, I see no other solution but extermination

(another dubious translation, no doubt! -- comrade seinfeld). Why
should I look at a Jew through other eyes than if he were a

Russian prisoner-of-war? In the p.o.w. camps, many are dying. It's
not my fault. I didn't want either the war or the

p.o.w. camps. Why did the Jew provoke this war? ... A good three
hundred or four hundred years will go by before the Jews

set foot again in Europe. They'll return first of all as commercial
travellers, then gradually they'll become emboldened to

settle here -- the better to exploit us. In the next stage, they
become philanthropists, they endow foundations. When a Jew

does that, the thing is particularly noticed -- for it's known that
they're dirty dogs. As a rule, it's the most rascally of

them who do that sort of thing. And then you'll hear these poor Aryan
boobies telling you: 'You see, there are good Jews!'"


"The Jews must pack up, disappear from Europe. Let them go to Russia.
Where the Jews are concerned, I'm devoid of all sense

of pity. They'll always be the ferment that moves peoples one against
the other. They sow discord everywhere, as much

between individuals as between peoples. ... They'll also have to clear
out of Switzerland and Sweden. It's where they're to

be found in small numbers that they're most dangerous. Put five
thousand Jews in Sweden -- soon they'll be holding all the

posts there. Obviously, that makes them all the easier to spot. ...
Its entirely natural that we should concern ourselves

with the question on the European level. It's clearly not enough to
expel them from Germany. We cannot allow them to

maintain bases of withdrawal at our doors. We want to be out of
danger of all kinds of infiltration."


"The Russian desert, we shall populate it ... We'll take away its
character of an Asiatic steppe, we'll Europeanise it. With

this object, we have undertaken the construction of roads that will
lead to the southernmost point of the Crimea and to the

Caucasus. These roads will be studded along their whole length with
German towns, and around these towns out colonists will

settle. ... As for the two or three million men whom we need to
accomplish this task, we'll find them quicker than we think.

They'll come from Germany, Scandinavia, the Western countries and
America. I shall no longer be here to see all that, but in

twenty years the Ukraine will already be a home for twenty million
inhabitants besides the natives. ... As for the natives,

we'll have to screen them carefully. The Jew, that destroyer, we
shall drive out. As far as the population is concerned, I

get a better impression in White Russia than in the Ukraine."


"From the rostrum of the Reichstag I prophesied to Jewry that, in the
event of war's proving inevitable, the Jew would

disappear from Europe. That race of criminals has on its conscience
the two million dead of the first World war, and now

already hundreds of thousands more. Let nobody tell me that all the
same we can't park them in the marshy parts of Russia!

Who's worrying about our troops? It's not a bad idea, by the way,
that public rumour attributes to us a plan to exterminate

the Jews. Terror is a salutary thing. ... The attempt to create a
Jewish State will be a failure."


"The discovery of the Jewish virus is one of the greatest revolutions
that have taken place in the world today. The battle

in which we are engaged to-day is of the same sort as the battle
waged, during the last century, by Pasteur and Koch. How

many diseases have their origin in the Jewish virus! ... Japan would
have been contaminated, too, if it had stayed open to

the Jews. ... We shall regain our health only by eliminating the Jew.
Everything has a cause, nothing comes by chance."

[Hannover]

was said:

This is not to say, of course, that Hitler may have decided that it was best to physically exterminate as many Jews as possible when he realised that his plans would not be realised, or that there were others, such as Himmler, who may have already put into operation plans for the physical extermination of the Jews, which Hitler may have been forced to comply with, or even may have not been aware of, which I think David Irving argues..

And there is zero evidence for these fallback ideas. Plus, the thought that Himmler of all people would ignore the wishes of Hitler is laughable. Not to mention the lack of human remains.

Isn't it interesting that Himmler's diary has never been made available.

- H.

[Hannover]

oops...see:
http://www.fpp.co.uk/Hitler/docs/Testam ... enoud.html

- H.

[Sailor]

I have recently been reading "Hitler's Table Talk 1941-1944",
published by the Phoenix Press, prefaced by Hugh Trevor-Roper

Who is the author of that book? There is a book with the title “Hitler’s Tischgespräche im Führerhauptquartier” (Hitler’s Table Talks in the Führerhauptquartier) (in German) by Henry Picker. I wonder whether it is the same book?

If any people has the right to proceed to evacuations, it is we, for
we've often had to evacuate our own population. Eight

hundred thousand men had to emigrate from East Prussia alone. How
humanely sensitive we are is shown by the fact that we

consider it a maximum of brutality to have liberated our country from
six hundred thousand Jews. And yet we accepted,

without recrimination, and as something inevitable, the evacuation of
our own compatriots!

This is probably a reference to the fate of East Germans after WWI, which is described in “Dokumente Polnischer Grausamkeiten” (Documentations of Polish Cruelties) about crimes against German citizen between 1919 to 1939.

And it is these same Jews, experts in the stab-in-the-back
game, over whom our bourgeoisie now sheds tears when we ship them off somewhere to the East!

I am curious: Was there criticism by the German “bourgeoisie” against the Deportation of Jews to the East? I never heard of it.

By creating the system of caveat emptor, the Jew
has established a juridical basis for his rogueries.

I think that the non-Jewish German business men were much better at the principle of “caveat emptor” than their Jewish competitors.

For my part, I restrict myself to telling them they must go away. If they break their pipes on the journey, I can't do anything about it. But if they refuse to go voluntarily, I see no other solution but extermination (another dubious translation, no doubt! -- comrade seinfeld).

The German word here is probably “Ausrottung”, which Holocaust apologists always translate with “extermination”, but it can mean “to pull out by it’s roots and ship somewhere else”, or to win in an election over the opposition (used by Kanzler Kohl against the opposing SPD party).

In the p.o.w. camps, many are dying. It's not my fault. I didn't want either the war or the p.o.w. camps.

I don’t think that the Russian p.o.w’s. wanted the war either. The starving of these people is a tragedy of the first order. Apparently the Soviets when they retreated in the beginning destroyed or took with them the food resources. Germany had to export food from Germany into occupied Russian areas.

"The Russian desert, we shall populate it ... We'll take away its character of an Asiatic steppe, we'll Europeanise it. With this object, we have undertaken the construction of roads that will lead to the southernmost point of the Crimea and to the Caucasus. These roads will be studded along their whole length with German towns, and around these towns out colonists will settle. ... As for the two or three million men whom we need to
accomplish this task, we'll find them quicker than we think.

They'll come from Germany, Scandinavia, the Western countries and America. I shall no longer be here to see all that, but in twenty years the Ukraine will already be a home for twenty million inhabitants besides the natives.

What a dreamer! Those two or three million men must be Jews he is thinking of. This clearly indicates that he has no plans to exterminate these people, on the contrary, he needs them to do the work.

Let nobody tell me that all the same we can't park them in the marshy parts of Russia!

Again the man is talking of Jewish deportation to Russia, and not extermination of these people.

oops...see:
http://www.fpp.co.uk/Hitler/docs/Testam ... enoud.html

I think that that book is Hitler’s “Last Testament”. That is probably something else.

[Hannover]

I was aware that the two were probably separate, however the reference to "mealtime remarks" stood out, and I do find it interesting that both have prefaces by H. Trevor-Roper.

http://www.fpp.co.uk/Hitler/docs/Testam ... enoud.html

Seeking to disprove David Irving's assertion (1977) that there is no archival evidence that Hitler even knew of the Final Solution of the Jewish Problem, let alone ordered the liquidation of millions of Jews, some critics pointed to a passage in the book edited by Hugh Trevor Roper, Hitler's Last Testament, allegedly based on a typescript record of Hitler's informal mealtime remarks in 1945, analagous to the famous Hitler's Table Talk . .

The example of 'extermination' as translated crystalizes my point. While the quotes given in the 1st post are relatively benign in terms of proof of Hitler & the 'holocau$t', there apparently has been some manipulation of the English translation.....typical of things German during this period. Assuming the two are different publications, a side by side comparison of them would be interesting.

- H.

[Sailor]

It seems to be obvious from Comrade Seinfeld’s excerpts of the book that Hitler had no plans to kill the Jews (unless the Comrade left those parts out). Hitler wanted to use them for work. This comes also through in Mattogno’s article about the deportations of Hungarian Jews in 1944 (see that thread), where Hitler is talking about employing 100,000 and 200,000 Jews.
It would be interesting to know his reaction to the fact that only 1/3 of the deportees were able to work and what were his plans for the other 2/3, and the conditions in the Auschwitz/Birkenau camp which obviously was not prepared to handle the inflow of that many people in an acceptable manner and lost control.

Hitler was quite anti-Semitic and probably could not have cared less. Why did they not leave these people at home?

[Hannover]

Sailor asks:

Why did they not leave these people at home?

The same reasons Japanese-Americans were not left at home, a perceived security threat.
And there was an attempt to keep families together.

- H.