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He described standing with another guard as he dumped the poison Zyklon B into a panel above a mass “shower room” and how he could hear the screams diminish after that.
Her brother survived, and returned to Hungary... Working as an electrician, a fire caused a building to be damaged, so the Soviets charged him with treason and he was castrated.
Hektor wrote:Hermod, the point is that he's not describing what usually had to go for gas chamber as far as Auschwitz is concerned. There morgues of crematoria had to pass as homicidal "gas chambers" in the orthodox Holocaust narrative. Sure Groening would have known which facilities the crematoria were
hermod wrote:...
Weren't the morgues allegedly converted into gas chambers supposed to pass as fake shower rooms so that the doomed victims entered those rooms willingly, without resistance?
Forbidding the public to look at what revisionists really say is what enables them to get away with such absurd and damaging straw men.Maly Jacek wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-32450169
"One of the women survivors of Auschwitz who brought the charges against Mr Groening demanded that he should make a statement to what she called the "young neo-Nazis of today" - to the Holocaust deniers - telling them that Auschwitz really did exist"
I wouldn't overemphasise the brothel. It was certainly only for the trusties and I doubt the girls were freelancers. The football pitch with a front row view of the gas chamber and the civilian contractors are good points, though.That basically shows what this trial is all about.
The quote above was another ignorant remark - Auschwitz really did exist, as a normal concentration camp with brothel, football field (very close to the alleged gas chambers) camp orchestra, civilian contractors working all around the camp, etc.
Atigun wrote:Here's some more concerning the Groening trial. http://praxis-mag.blogspot.com/2015/04/ ... es-of.html
As the article states, the trial seems to be degenerating into farce. Clearly, the old man is having trouble with his memory to say the least. I think it quite possible that this "trial" is going to be seen as a case of the Jews viciously hounding an old man to give "evidence" that he is incapable of understanding.
Does anyone know anything about this commentary? I mean know the content and how it is in or out of line with further statements by Groening (The Zyklon B into the showers claim, being different from the standard version for Auschwitz)?Gröning said little in response to these statements,[2]:300 replying only: "I know a little more about that, we should discuss it some time."[3] The man recommended a pamphlet by Holocaust denier Thies Christophersen.[3] Gröning obtained a copy and mailed it to Christophersen, having written his own commentary on it, which included the words:
"I saw everything," he writes. "The gas chambers, the cremations, the selection process. One and a half million Jews were murdered in Auschwitz. I was there." [3]
Gröning then began receiving phone calls and letters from strangers who tried to tell him Auschwitz was not actually a place for exterminating human beings in gas chambers.[2]:300
It became apparent that his comments condemning Holocaust denial had been printed in a neo-Nazi magazine, and that most of the anonymous calls and letters were, "From people who tried to prove that what I had seen with my own eyes, what I had experienced in Auschwitz was a big, big mistake, a big hallucination on my part because it hadn't happened."[2]:300
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oskar_Gr%C3%B6ning
Hektor wrote:Atigun wrote:Here's some more concerning the Groening trial. http://praxis-mag.blogspot.com/2015/04/ ... es-of.html
As the article states, the trial seems to be degenerating into farce. Clearly, the old man is having trouble with his memory to say the least. I think it quite possible that this "trial" is going to be seen as a case of the Jews viciously hounding an old man to give "evidence" that he is incapable of understanding.
The legality is already in question, even among people that aren't Revisionists, but main stream.
Anyway, wikipedia (the English version diverges a little from the German one on this) states that Groening responded to Thies Christophersen's brochure:Does anyone know anything about this commentary? I mean know the content and how it is in or out of line with further statements by Groening (The Zyklon B into the showers claim, being different from the standard version for Auschwitz)?Gröning said little in response to these statements,[2]:300 replying only: "I know a little more about that, we should discuss it some time."[3] The man recommended a pamphlet by Holocaust denier Thies Christophersen.[3] Gröning obtained a copy and mailed it to Christophersen, having written his own commentary on it, which included the words:
"I saw everything," he writes. "The gas chambers, the cremations, the selection process. One and a half million Jews were murdered in Auschwitz. I was there." [3]
Gröning then began receiving phone calls and letters from strangers who tried to tell him Auschwitz was not actually a place for exterminating human beings in gas chambers.[2]:300
It became apparent that his comments condemning Holocaust denial had been printed in a neo-Nazi magazine, and that most of the anonymous calls and letters were, "From people who tried to prove that what I had seen with my own eyes, what I had experienced in Auschwitz was a big, big mistake, a big hallucination on my part because it hadn't happened."[2]:300
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oskar_Gr%C3%B6ning
It seems Groening and what is said he said, was already familiar to some in 2005:
https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f ... ing#p13279
Gröning led a normal middle class life after the war.[3] A keen stamp collector, he was once at his local philately club's annual meeting more than 40 years after the war, when he fell into a conversation about politics with the man next to him.[2
"I saw everything," he writes. "The gas chambers, the cremations, the selection process. One and a half million Jews were murdered in Auschwitz. I was there." [3]
Gröning and the rest of his SS colleagues were imprisoned in an old Nazi concentration camp.[2]:287 He was later sent to Britain as a forced labourer in 1946 where he had a "very comfortable life".[2]:287 He ate good food and earned money, and travelled through the Midlands and Scotland giving concerts for four months, singing German hymns and traditional English folk songs to grateful British audiences.[2]:287
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