The Lusitania

[Mortimer]

The sinking of the Lusitania was used as justification to bring the USA into the war on the side of the Allies. But everything was not as black and white as claimed by president Woodrow Wilson. The background story on why Winston Churchill and others were so desperate to see this ship sunk - https://jamesperloff.com/2014/05/21/false-flag-at-sea/

[madhatter]

Lusitania divers warned of danger from war munitions in 1982, papers reveal

A 1980s salvage operation on the wreck of the Lusitania, the Cunard luxury liner that was torpedoed in the first world war, triggered a startling Foreign Office warning that its sinking could still "literally blow up on us".

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/01/lusitania-salvage-warning-munitions-1982

[madhatter]

In 1949, Professor Carroll Quigley (1910-1977), later Bill Clinton’s mentor at Georgetown University, wrote a detailed and incisive account of the activities of the Milner Group (“The Anglo-American Establishment”, 1949) Although he himself was in broad agreement with the aims of the group, he came to this conclusion:

“No country that values its safety should allow what the Milner group accomplished – that is, that a small number of men would be able to wield such power in administration and politics, should be given almost complete control over the publication of documents relating to their action, should be able to exercise such influence over the avenues of information that create public opinion, and should be able to monopolize so completely the writing and the teaching of the history of their own period.”

Interesting first part of this radio prog.

On Start the Week Andrew Marr looks back to the end of Empire when government officials systematically destroyed the records of imperial rule, and he explores the impact of outside organisations on a nation's ability to govern.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b082x79f#play

[Mortimer]

From the CODOH news desk 14 December 2016 comes a review by David Merlin of a recent book on the sinking of the Lusitania and Churchill's role in it. The book is called Dead Wake The Last Crossing of the Lusitania and the author is Erik Larson -
http://codoh.com/library/document/4186/

[Kingfisher]

Duplicate post. Sorry.

[Kingfisher]

In 1949, Professor Carroll Quigley (1910-1977), later Bill Clinton’s mentor at Georgetown University, wrote a detailed and incisive account of the activities of the Milner Group (“The Anglo-American Establishment”, 1949.[/url]

I am currently reading: https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/178057 ... ref=plSrch

The authors explore the role of the Milner group whom they hold responsible for the start of the First World War. I was particularly interested in the role of Edward VII, who appears to have been virulently pro-French and anti-German and seems to have gone far beyond the proper role of a constitutional monarch in setting foreign policy and forging links.

[gandalfssocks]

In 1949, Professor Carroll Quigley (1910-1977), later Bill Clinton’s mentor at Georgetown University, wrote a detailed and incisive account of the activities of the Milner Group (“The Anglo-American Establishment”, 1949.[/url]

I am currently reading: https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/178057 ... ref=plSrch

The authors explore the role of the Milner group whom they hold responsible for the start of the First World War. I was particularly interested in the role of Edward VII, who appears to have been virulently pro-French and anti-German and seems to have gone far beyond the proper role of a constitutional monarch in setting foreign policy and forging links.

reference is being made to the All Souls fellows of Oxford University and Lionel Curtis in particular.

Listen in really closely from 05:50 onwards...'they were determined to build up Germany against France'.

Carroll Quigley Interview (part 3 of 5)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icRq4LsOVu0

I will try to dig out references for the previous failed attempt on Ferdinands life.

[gandalfssocks]

The authors explore the role of the Milner group whom they hold responsible for the start of the First World War. I was particularly interested in the role of Edward VII, who appears to have been virulently pro-French and anti-German and seems to have gone far beyond the proper role of a constitutional monarch in setting foreign policy and forging links.

Relevent quote to the Archduke. Will this stand Mods?

There may be men here in Europe who, since they all like to think short-sightedly nowadays, look upon the outbreak of the present war as being connected with the murder of the Archduke Franz Ferdinand, (Note 92) Heir Apparent to the Throne. I do not say that this is untrue or that there is no truth in it, but on the basis of this event they can explain certain occurrences that they trace back to this murder of July 1914. But there may also be other persons who stress that, in a Western newspaper of January 1913, the statement appeared that the Archduke Franz Ferdinand was to be murdered in the near future for the well-being of European humanity. What I mean to say is that we may go back as far as the actual murder, but we may also go back to the notice of it that appeared in a Western newspaper in January 1913. (Note 93) It is also possible to go back to the murder of Jaures on the last evening before the war began — probably never entirely explained, as I recently suggested. But it is equally possible to go back to the same newspaper to which I just referred, which carried the statement in 1913 saying that if conditions in Europe should lead to war, Jaures would be the first to meet his death — You may consult a certain occult almanac (Note 94) that was sold for forty francs and find in the issue for 1913, which was printed, of course, in 1912, the statement that he who was expected to be the ruler in Austria would not be the ruler, but rather a younger man, whom people wouldn't even now consider as the successor to the old Emperor Franz Josef. (Note 95) That was printed in a so-called occult almanac for 1913; printed, therefore, in the autumn of 1912. Moreover, in the same almanac for 1914, printed in 1913, the same remark was repeated (Note 96) because obviously the attempt on Emperor Franz Josef's life had miscarried in 1913. When these things are seen more clearly, the connection will someday be discovered that exists between what actually happens externally and what is cooked up by hidden, dark sources.

Almanach de Mme de Thèbes [pseudonym of an alleged Mme Anne Victoire de Savigny, died in 1917), “Conseils pour etre heureux“ (Paris, 103 ff.).

Cf. “L'assassin,“ in Almanach de Mme de Thebes 1913 (Paris, 1912): “The one who is supposed to rule Austria (Franz Ferdinand) is not going to rule but rather a young man who at this time is not intended to be the ruler (Karl I).“
S
ee “Més predications de l'an passé,“ Almanach de Mme de Thebes 1914 (Paris, 1913): “The tragic event that I predicted for the Austrian imperial family has not yet occurred, but it will definitely take place before the first half of the year has elapsed.“

http://wn.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA172/English/AP1984/19161119p02.html

Newspaper article on the so called 'Madame Thebes.'

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=9506E3D61439EF32A25752C2A9659C946496D6CF

This by W.T Stead who is mentioned in Hidden History: The Secret Origins of the First World War.

The Americanization of the world:
https://archive.org/details/americanizationo01stea

[Mortimer]

Room 40 British Naval Intelligence 1914-18 by Patrick Beesly is reviewed by Arthur S Ward. The British had cracked the German naval codes and knew that the Lusitania was sailing into an area where a U-Boat was on patrol. They could have diverted the liner's course or provided a naval escort at any time but chose not to do so. Also telling is a line from the review "Even after the sinking of the Lusitania, the British continued to ship ammunition aboard passenger liners" -
http://codoh.com/library/document/2152/

[gandalfssocks]

In 1949, Professor Carroll Quigley (1910-1977), later Bill Clinton’s mentor at Georgetown University, wrote a detailed and incisive account of the activities of the Milner Group (“The Anglo-American Establishment”, 1949.[/url]

I am currently reading: https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/178057 ... ref=plSrch

The authors explore the role of the Milner group whom they hold responsible for the start of the First World War. I was particularly interested in the role of Edward VII, who appears to have been virulently pro-French and anti-German and seems to have gone far beyond the proper role of a constitutional monarch in setting foreign policy and forging links.

Their website for those who don't have the book.

https://firstworldwarhiddenhistory.wordpress.com/2017/08/01/the-balfour-declaration-7-clandestine-plots-scupper-a-peace-initiative/

Things seem to be getting interesting in America.

The U.S. is at last facing the neocon captivity

http://mondoweiss.net/2015/05/facing-neocon-captivity/

[jason84]

In 1949, Professor Carroll Quigley (1910-1977), later Bill Clinton’s mentor at Georgetown University, wrote a detailed and incisive account of the activities of the Milner Group (“The Anglo-American Establishment”, 1949.[/url]

I am currently reading: https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/178057 ... ref=plSrch

The authors explore the role of the Milner group whom they hold responsible สมัครLive22 for the start of the First World War. I was particularly interested in the role of Edward VII, who appears to have been virulently pro-French and anti-German and seems to have gone far beyond the proper role of a constitutional monarch in setting foreign policy and forging links.

Their website for those who don't have the book.

https://firstworldwarhiddenhistory.wordpress.com/2017/08/01/the-balfour-declaration-7-clandestine-plots-scupper-a-peace-initiative/

Things seem to be getting interesting in America.

The U.S. is at last facing the neocon captivity

http://mondoweiss.net/2015/05/facing-neocon-captivity/

Thank you

[Mortimer]

The In Search Of … tv show hosted by actor Leonard Nimoy (of Star Trek fame) had an episode on The Lusitania which took the position that the ship was set up to be sunk. Includes interviews with survivors and author Colin Simpson who describes the situation as a "monumental Anglo-American cover up".