Do highly educated Jews believe in the Holocaust?

[Mark_Twain]

I, myself, take a section at a time and research it. I use anyone on the net that seems reliable, and I mostly use Jewish sources like the USHMM.

I took Auschwitz and found it was a labor camp built around Monowitz industrial complex. The camp was a miniture town with theaters, brothels, sports facilities, post office, etc. Who builds a death camp with barracks for thousands?

Treblinka was a tiny transit camp. People got off, got hair cut, had themselves and luggage deloused. Then they went to occupied Russia or work camps.

Theresienstadt was straight out of The Sound of Music.

It would seem more appropriate to tell Holocaust stories around campfires than in Universities.

[Carto's Cutlass Supreme]

You're absolutely right about Treblinka. But regarding Auschwitz you wrote:

Who builds a death camp with barracks for thousands?

Auschwitz doesn't claim to be a "death camp" like Treblinka does. Auschwitz was combo work/death with 3/4 of the Jews allegedly being gassed upon arrival and the others working. That would explain the barracks for thousands. The story goes that the nazis would try to work them to death while also trying to starve them to death, until they hit the "muselman" state, as if the Nazis would have time for this.

[Mark_Twain]

I want to believe as much as the next guy.

Have you seen any pictures, autopsy reports, archeological digs, bones, graves, Nazi orders, etc. From what I read there were two scientists that did a forensic study on the gas chambers (Germar and Leuchter) - they said there were no gas chambers

I notice the Commandant lived 300 yds from the "Gas Chambers", and the hospital was across the street. I just can't accept the story - Absolutely nothing makes sense.

[code yellow]

I will get back to you later with the specifics, but I vaugely remember a Dr. Charles P. Larsen who was recruited by the U.S. army to do autopsies on bodies found at one of the camps (can't remember which). He examined a rate of 25 per day, reaching 100 when he filed a report stating that the bodies should have been left where they were found(because of disease), and unconvered not one case of death by gassing. His examinations were ordered to cease thereafter.

[Radar]

Code Yellow, I have a vague recollection of a visit to the Holocaust Museum in Washington years ago when I was not as educated on the subject and being surprised at a small exhibit which admitted that deaths were largely from typhus and attributing it to the investigations of an allied military doctor after the war. Did anyone else see this? Even then I was surprised that they would admit it among all the propaganda.

[Richard Perle]

As for the question which forms the thread title: Do highly educated Jews believe in the Holocaust?

The vast majority probably do for the same reason that there are scientists who are religious.

[Radar]

Yes, to get back to the original question which is a good one, it is necessary to ask Bradley Smith's fundamental question, exactly what do we mean by "the Holocaust"? The Nazi persecution of Jews or the whole farrago of stories, the gas chambers, the six million, Jewish soap, etc.? Most educated Jews I know try mightily to avoid answering or even thinking about the latter questions. They know that the detailed dogmas are dubious and it is dangerous for them to even think about it. Much easier to loudly denounce "deniers" and "anti Semites" and move on.

No serious revisionists I know deny the Nazi persecution of the Jews and intelligent Jews hate to admit this. So they don't. Example of their lack of objectivity: in his writings on the Holocaust the Jewish "expert" van Pelt simply ignores the scientific work of the great revisionist scholar Mattogno because it is so powerful and then has the chutzpah to claim that revisionists have not presented a case! And none of the mainstream academics have called him on this intellectual outrage probably because few of them have read Mattogno themselves.

What is most objectionable to me is that the intelligent Jews do not object to the intellectual censorship of serious revisionism which takes place in academic and media circles. That's a disgrace.

[Carto's Cutlass Supreme]

Hey Radar: Glad you're back on the board. Your intelligent comments were missed!

I think one way to understand this is via Kevin MacDonald's theory of Group Evolutionary Strategy, which he put forth in his book "Culture of Critique."

Wasn't it Machiavelli in The Prince who said "People are a sorry lot." ? When something is of advantage to intelligent people, they often believe in it.

[Hannover]

What is most objectionable to me is that the intelligent Jews do not object to the intellectual censorship of serious revisionism which takes place in academic and media circles. That's a disgrace.

Yes, it is a disgrace; but it shouldn't surprise anyone, Jews benefit mightily from the fraud, 'intellects' and otherwise.

Why would they give up ? :

- the cash cow
- the preferential treatment it affords them
- the claim of moral superiority which cannot be questioned because of the absurd 'holocau$t' story
- the untouchable nature of the filth that is Israel
- the ethnic cohesion the story creates
- the retreat of Europeans from their cultural attachments in favor of a judeo-centric world view where only Jews are permitted to protect their culture

Hannover

[Carto's Cutlass Supreme]

It's group evolutionary strategy done by intelligent Jews, and it sticks out for being a unique strategy.

Having said that, white non-Jewish Americans have had their ing group evolutionary strategies as well, when intelligent lawmakers and politicians leglislated ways to take land from the American indians. My own ancestors were even involved in their own way. And I'm remorseful about it.

I think it's important to see the holocaust as unique group evolutionary strategy (rather than evil done by evil-doers, not that anyone said that) Similar to the American example above, and both involving taking land.

I guess it's "evil" in the sense that it's decimated us in more ways than Hannover even mentioned.

But again, you can see it as evil, or you can compare it to the animal world where there are all sorts of "devious" ways that animals kill other animals. What we need is a response to counter their strategy. The response I'm in favor of, is using free speech to make people aware of the holocaust fraud, which is the epicenter of their group evolutionary strategy. That is what Ernst Zundel tried to do, and what revforum tries to do.

[Radar]

CCS, MacDonald thinks that European based Americans don't have an organized defensive strategy like the Jews and that is their fatal weakness which allows them to be rolled over. The good old boys are too easy going, to put it loosely. It seems there must be a lot to say for that theory because of the results we see. He knows that the orientals are intellectual winners too, so what is the reason there? Of course they don't try to run Congress, the media, etc.

Jews came on their strategy by generations of evolutionary (in MacDonald's sense of the term) history and behaviour, some quite understandable. They are enemies of Western, Christian civilization although no one wants to talk about it - including MacDonald, a lapsed Catholic who avoids that area which probably saves him from destructiion but not criticism (he's loudly and falsely attacked by the usual crowd as an anti-semite).

MacDonald also concedes superior Jewish intelligence from breeding and education habits which I'm not so sure about. He cites IQ studies and verbal skills but some others have different ideas. What do you think?

[Mark_Twain]

Click -The average IQ of the Jew in Israel is 90


The Jewish people create myths:~ Entebbe, Kenya missiles, Abu Nidal, etc.

[Richard Perle]

That's interesting, but I doubt if it represents Jewish intelligence outside of Israel, where Jews definitely appear to me to be more intelligent than average. I can't believe that the high percentage of successful Jews has much to do with ethnic nepotism.

[Moderator]

And what's the topic of this thread?