This website needs some cosmetics- URGENTLY

[Halo]

New to this forums, a treassure of information, breathtaking information- needed to say that, so u understand what I need to say the right way.



Rethink the manner the Dresden bombing is displayed. Using terms like "real holocaust" (capslocked -.-, for people that come first time here, and read something about real... when you now start talking bout REAL holocausts, you automatically describe you as deniers of the Holocaust (c) ), "made by americans british" !!!!!!! (not a good start to begin with accusations (although they are true).
And the counter....

People, I know bout dresden, I know bout the honorable intentions revisionism has, but that kind of attention whoring makes it look like a german right wing neo nazi campaign.I know that these forums are not, but people that havent got a clue bout the topic, will get a bad first impression of this website.

Also the header graphics look ... outfashioned,boring and primitive. Aswell as searching these forums- there are more than 150 pages of threads alone in the english section, but you CANNOT expect anyone to click 140 times to finally reach those threads.

Also the free ernst zundel and free germar rudolf graphics are- more than justified in their goals- primitively done (from a designer´s point of view).


I am pretty good at photoshop, and I would create a new banner, and zundel and rudolf graphics- anything would be better than what we see at the moment.

Kind regards,
Halo

[MrNobody]

when you now start talking bout REAL holocausts, you automatically describe you as deniers of the Holocaust (c) ), "made by americans british" !!!!!!! (not a good start to begin with accusations (although they are true).

If it's true, then it's not an accusation is it.

And the counter....

It may come as a shock to you, but many people are unaware of the date of the Dresden Bombing & it serves as a reminder for those that wish to cast a thought to the victims on that day each year.

Why is February 13 less important than the Fable of Holocaust Memorial Day on 27 January?

People, I know bout dresden,

You do, but many don't.

I know bout the honorable intentions revisionism has, but that kind of attention whoring makes it look like a german right wing neo nazi campaign.I know that these forums are not, but people that havent got a clue bout the topic, will get a bad first impression of this website.

People looking for the real truth, will stick around, if they are put off by any banners on this site, then perhaps they are happy in the world that's been constructed for them.

Also the header graphics look ... outfashioned,boring and primitive

This forum is just one of Mr Smith's many contributions to Holocaust Revision, I'm sure he'd happily accept any financial support for the ongoing cost, maintenance & improvement of this site.

Aswell as searching these forums- there are more than 150 pages of threads alone in the english section, but you CANNOT expect anyone to click 140 times to finally reach those threads.

That's what the search function is for.

[Halo]

@ above: You go for your audience, and the sad fact is: They learned by watching Schindler´s list.

Why is February 13 less important than the Fable of Holocaust Memorial Day on 27 January?

Nobody said that. You sound too melodramatic.

It is a delicate topic and people´s heads are filled with nonsense, if you jump at them (literally) they will be scared away. Youre right factually, but you have no clue bout psychology.

We need an sensitive and empathic approach to the topic if we wanna reach new people.
This forums has an incredibly high standart with regard to its content, but it´s appearance is- unfitting.

I thought bout justicia, as we have no ideology or religion to sell, we can judge objectively- thats our goal and thats the ONLY way to avoid people locking that little door inbetween their eyes when coming into contact with revisionist´s data the first time. Melodramatics (such as the dresden counter) is something strictly to avoid and achives nothing. If you want to make people aware of what happened in dresden, rather go with pictures of the bombed city than a sea of flames and waving flags. Sad reality is: Thats the way Nazi sites present their message. We have no ideological message to send, we are researching the truth and try to make people aware of what kind of catastrophic religion they are member of.

How about something like that:
















Serious, emotionless, clean. No swastikas, Stars of David or other emotionally charged icons.


Critics: Propably too much text.
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In case there´s interest in something like this, i would redesign the Zundel, Germar and Dresden graphics accordingly.

Maybe a change of the standart color scheme of the forums might be thinkworthy aswell then, havent checked the themes available yet.


Feedback Welcome. (its just a first shot out of the hip ) Gonna try some more on this and will post it here, I am not confident yet.
Halo

P.S.: Text proposals welcome aswell, english isnt my native language

[friedrich braun]

Instead of arrogantly telling us, with a couple of posts to your credit, how to run our forum, feel free to start your own and show us how things should be done!

[Halo]

If I sounded arrogant, I apologize. But the design needs a pimp really.

[Haldan]

I for one like the previous two banners that you created. Very tasteful and clean, design wise.
-haldan

[Halo]

Thank you Haldan. I really didnt want to sound snobbish.
I played with the transparency of justicia and readjusted the text boxes.

[Vlad]

A half-naked woman certainly looks more appealing than a balding man in a dark suit.

[Halo]

Plain, simple and serious. Would fit well with any of above concepts.

[Vlad]

Pretty good (seriously).

[Halo]

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Smaller version:

[Thesaint]

I think the Dresden picture we have is charming and very direct,and not "attention whoring" at all.If anything,I would say that your Dresden creations are the ones that look manufactured and "attention-whorey".The same with the CODOH banners,the figure of justice implies that there are issues to be weighed,when in fact we are dealing with a gigantic,badly-manufactured hoax that is demolished with ease.

[KostasL]

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Smaller version:

The current CODOH Dresden holocaust image is ok i think.

And the text attached, indicating time left till anniversary is cool.

Anyway, enemy of the good is the better, i guess.

And powerful info, like the ones introduced by CODOH, should be accompanied by powerful images.

[Halo]

.The same with the CODOH banners,the figure of justice implies that there are issues to be weighed,when in fact we are dealing with a gigantic,badly-manufactured hoax that is demolished with ease.

Agree, the dresden pic is ok. The counter and the "real holocaust" thing was used as a weapon during a discussion, as exterminationalists immediately think
"holocaust denier! neo nazi website". Thats the origin of my critique.

Of course the case of the holocaust is clear for us, but we concluded this based on facts and proofs, not out of a political agenda, thats why I chose justicia. Nothing is more hinderous, as when people think, that we were politically motivated or tried to justify nazism in any way- which of course we dont. It must become clear, that factual evidence led to the conclusion, not political motivation.
Weighing the PROs and CONs- just like justicia does, blind for ideology, religion or emotion. Pure cold judging the evidence. Thats the idea behind it.

[Laurentz Dahl]

Instead of arrogantly telling us, with a couple of posts to your credit, how to run our forum, feel free to start your own and show us how things should be done!

Mr. Braun, at least this newcomer is being constructive and offers concrete help to the forum, instead of, for example, crossposting useless polemic reflections on various forums.

What revisionism needs now are constructive people willing to do serious work (translations, multimedia presentations &c) and/or contribute to further research, rather than political activists and demagogues wih little serious knowledge (not to say that you cannot be both politically opinionated and a good revisionist - it's just that some people lack a sensitivity for what Rudolf calls the "eros of understanding").