Holocaust bodies burned just like wood

[TMoran]

BEHOLD

The conclusions arrived at here are among other things: It would have
taken 85,000 tree trunks 2 feet across and 30 feet long to cremate
the bodies at just one alleged Holocaust extermination camp. This
would be based on figuring the amount of wood necessary to cremate one
body way below what it would really take. It also shows the tree
trunks piled 20 feet across and 20 feet high would be over 4,6 miles
long and that the wood consumption per day would have to have been
equivalent to a minimum of 13 railroad box cars fully loaded - per
day, day after day, week after week, month after month.

So say the laws of nature.

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The essence of the Holocaust known to all would be millions of
persons gassed and cremated. Most people would have the idea of
cremation in ovens with few being aware of the other methods claimed
within the story. These would be the burning of bodies in pits and/or
on grills with wood fires as the source of heat. It is interesting
that the foremost thing the general public knows about the Holocaust
is cremation in ovens when in 'fact', according to the Holocaust
story, eighty five percent (85%), 5,000,000 of the infamous 6,000,000
are said to have been cremated with wood fires. What is it that has
kept the majority 85% wood accounts from being center stage instead of
the minority 15% oven tales? Probably because the idea of cremating
with wood fires was and is recognized by the traditional propagandists
as an embarrassment, something on face value that would incite seeds
of doubt in the minds of the average person.

As we are about to see, a close look at the claim of cremating
millions with wood is sudden death for the Holocaust story.

With any numbers of alleged victims given we can figure a
lower limit, without exaggerating, for how much wood would have been
involved if the story was true.

For the treatment here we can focus on just one camp,
Treblinka, but at virtually every single other camp cremation with
wood is said to have been used either exclusively or in addition to
ovens.

At Treblinka the numbers of alleged victims can range from
700,000 to almost three times that - 2,000,000. As will be noted at
times in the following it is not necessary to select the highest
option the story gives us to expose the story for what it is and we
can settle on one of the common numbers claimed, 900,000. The more
victims said to have been killed and cremated the more absurd the
Holocaust picture is.

First we figure how much wood it would take to cremate just
one body. Opting to use a poetic round figure and at the same time
understating the amount of wood necessary we could say a volume of
wood of 10 cubic feet equivalent to one piece a little over 2 x 2 x 2 feet would be a very accommodating lower limit per body. The more wood to cremate one body the more absurd the conclusions. With this amount of wood we are giving the Holocaust accounts a considerable handicap. The more likely amount would be at least twice that.

The volume of 10 cubic feet.

Now in order to get a mental picture of what quantities we
will be arriving at by availing of the more or less absolute laws of
nature we can use a tree trunk 2 feet across and 30 feet long as a
standard unit. (No need to consider the fact that trees taper but if
we specified the trunks were 2 foot at one end and one foot at the
other we would have twice as many trees in the conclusion.)

The area of a circle is pi times radius squared. In it's most
basic expression pi = 3.14. The volume of a cylinder is the area of
its cross section, the circle, times the length of the cylinder.

Thus we have the radius of the 2 foot diameter, 1 foot, times
pi (3.14) = 3.14 square feet. That area x 30 feet long gives us 94.2
cubic feet.

We can now figure how many tree trunks it would take to
cremate the 900,000 victims for Treblinka. The amount of wood to
cremate one body, 10 cubic feet divided into the 94.2 cubic feet per
tree = 9.42. Rounding it off we have 9.5 bodies cremated with a tree
trunk 2 feet in diameter and 30 feet long.

How many tree trunks would we have to have to cremate the
900,000? That number divided by the 9.5 bodies per tree trunk =
94,000 rounded off.

What would this volume of wood look like if we pictured it
piled up or laid out?

If laid end to end we would have 30 feet times 257,000 =
2,820,000 feet, divided by 5280 (one mile) = 534 miles of wood 2 feet
in diameter. If piled 10 across side by side by 10 high we would have
a pile 20 feet across by 20 feet high running for 4.8 miles.

Is it 'possible' that the Treblinka cremation tales and any
tales of other camps are true? 'Possible'? Yes. Just like it's
'possible' for the moon to go zooming off from its orbit around the
Earth.

For anyone set on believing or afraid of dis-believing maybe
they could describe the procurement and logistics of the operation of
supplying the wood. We would have to recognize the problem of amassing
and delivering such great quantities of the fuel would be immense. A
full blown logging operation. For anyone so foolish as to attempt to
give us a detailed expansion they would have to make up their own
scenarios since the Holocaust tales offer us absolutely no details about any procurement and delivery of the wood.

A quick example of what a believer would be up against. If we
used railroad box cars as examples of volume and we had them at 10 by
10 by 40 feet, we would have 4000 cubic feet per car. If filled with
round tree trunks 2 feet across we subtract the voids, 650 cubic feet
and end up with 3350 cubic feet. This amount divided by the volume to
cremate one body, 10 cubic feet, we get enough wood in each box car to
cremate 372 bodies. Up to 15,000 people a day are said to have been
cremated in particular camps. The more bodies per day, the more absurd
the conclusions. Here we allow the Holocaust story another significant
handicap. Lets say 5000. We don't have to use maximum numbers to
expose the Holocaust story for what it is. Five thousand divided by
372 = the equivalent of 13 box cars per day. (For 10,000 bodies a day it would be 26 box cars.)

Another big problem for the story is the laws of physics
requires the wood to be dry in order to burn. The proponent for a true
Holocaust story would have to account for the Germans delivering the
huge amount of wood to the camps in the dry ready to burn state. Since
the Holocaust doesn't have one single little sentence on this vital
factor the believer will have to just make something up to explain how
the great quantity of wood was ready for self sustaining combustion.

It's no wonder all we ever read about the alleged wood used
for the alleged cremation of alleged millions is that millions were
exterminated and cremated with wood and nothing else. The
story offers no details about procurement, shipping, preparation,
labor, drying, absolutely nothing, not one chapter, not one little
paragraph, not even one little sentence - nothing.

The numbers that have herein been used are based on two
factors. Those definitive numbers given by the Holocaust story itself
and a theoretical amount of wood it would take to cremate one body.
The theoretical amount has been substantially understated.

With just what we have here we should be getting an absurd picture, but there is more. When a body is cremated in a modern day facility just about all the heat (BTUs) released is applied to reducing the body enclosed in a chamber. The Holocaust cremations would have taken place in unconfined space and open air. Heat rises. Some tales can have the flames shooting up 30 feet. Any flames and heat that makes it past any bodies would be unapplied to any cremation process. Thus we would have to recognize that it would take much more wood to cremate the Holocaust bodies beyond what the simple mathematics concludes.

Three camps are said to have been in use at the same time.
Tales about the camps can have them exterminating up to 15,000 people
a day at Sobibor, 12,000 a day at Treblinka and 5,000 at Belzec. The
total for this would be 32,000 in one day. Thirty two thousand bodies
would require the equivalence of 3,057 tree trunks 2 ft. by 30 ft. If
piled 20 ft. by 20 ft. the pile would be over 900 feet long and
equivalent to 85 railroad box cars. That would be for just one
Holocaust day.

In lieu of all that there is considerable record of Holocaust defenders and accounts claiming Holocaust bodies could burn without any external fuel. Holocaust bodies burned just like wood. You get a few Holocaust bodies to burning and just add on more.

[Sailor]

First we figure how much wood it would take to cremate just
one body. Opting to use a poetic round figure and at the same time
understating the amount of wood necessary we could say a volume of
wood of 10 cubic feet equivalent to one piece a little over 2 x 2 x 2 feet would be a very accommodating lower limit per body.

Mattogno's 200kg of wood for the cremation of one body, which he based on some experiments with animal cadavers, would result in almost 15 cuft. I calculated this using fir wood with 15% humidity content and a specific gravity of 0.5 g/cm3 . So we need at least 50% more wood.

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[TMoran]

Sailor commented:
Mattogno's 200kg of wood for the cremation of one body, which he based on some experiments with animal cadavers, would result in almost 15 cuft. I calculated this using fir wood with 15% humidity content and a specific gravity of 0.5 g/cm3 . So we need at least 50% more wood.

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There's a big difference between how many BTUs of heat various kinds of wood can deliver. Such as pine compared to oak. I see you cited a specific gravity which would have something to do with it, one wood being different from another. The same goes for coal, like bituminous as opposed to anthracite, one being able to deliver more heat per pound than another. All that would be important in determining Holocaust facts.

But, alas, with the mass cremation by wood in open fires demands a lot more wood than what we could determine by BTUs per body since even the Holocaust 'facts' tell us the flames would go up 30 feet which means most of the heat wouldn't have been applied to any cremations.

With the Treblinka example we are also told that the bodies would be piled 2 meters high but figuring it at 9 inches per body we would have up to some 21 feet of bodies - either way one big chunk of meat.

In that case we would have the flames under the "roaster" some hitting the underside and the rest going up the outside and away to the sky.

Just as with the fireplace analogy we probably would have 90% of the heat going to waste. For 2500 bodies to have been cremated to the bone stage I would say they would have to have fed the fire for days on end.

They probably would have needed not 10 cubic feet, or 15 cubic feet but at least 75 cubic feet to compensate for the lose.

[Scott]

Here is a paper on animal carcass disposal. Note the trench construction to conserve heat and the use of forced-air.

CLICK! Options for the Mechanised Slaughter and Disposal of Contagious Diseased Animals--a discussion paper presented at Conference on Agricultural Engineering, Adelaide, 2-5 April, 2000.

[Sailor]

A very efficient device indeed.
According to the article they incinerated 41,300kg of pigs with only 40 cubic-meter of wood. This would translate for the incineration of a 70kg human body to only 2.5 cuft of wood needed (against the 10 cuft of TMoran and 15 cuft of Mattogno).
To transform the human body liquids into steam alone already would theoretically require 1 cuft of wood.
Maybe the SS should have used this device instead of railroad tracks on concrete piers for the open air cremation of all those Jews, it would have saved them a lot of work cutting wood .

[TMoran]

Sailor added on:
A very efficient device indeed.
According to the article they incinerated 41,300kg of pigs with only 40 cubic-meter of wood. This would translate for the incineration of a 70kg human body to only 2.5 cuft of wood needed (against the 10 cuft of TMoran and 15 cuft of Mattogno).
To transform the human body liquids into steam alone already would theoretically require 1 cuft of wood.
Maybe the SS should have used this device instead of railroad tracks on concrete piers for the open air cremation of all those Jews, it would have saved them a lot of work cutting wood .

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Then too the report says the fat content contributed to the cremation and pigs have considerable fat. Even so much that a test to see what might cause 'Spontaneous Human Combustion' (SHC) was done using a pig. The experiment involved wrapping a pig in linen and igniting it whereby the pig over a period of some five hours was totally consumed by what they called the 'Wick Effect'. The documentary on it didn't conclude it explained (SHC) but they had to use a pig for the experiment because of its high fat content. Then of course, anyone who has ever cooked bacon would know about that.

Thus we might assume that Sailor's figuring of 2.5 cubic feet would have been more and the design of the setting was important to the efficiency.

Even if 2.5 cubic feet the amount of wood would have been a major problem. The test also said they used "seasoned wood".

When it comes to Holocaust wood we come face to face with Pinocchio.

[Sailor]

About the incineration of cadavers Mattogno wrote this in "Schlüsseldokument" (Key Document), footnote 9:

In Tierkadaververbrennungsanlagen der Fa. H. Kori, in denen je nach Modell 250 bzw. 900 kg organisch-tierische Substanzen verbrannt werden konnten (komplette Kadaver oder Schlachtabfälle), dauerte die Verbrennung unter optimalen Bedingungen zwischen 54 und 43 Sekunden pro kg organischen Materials. Dabei wurden zwischen 0,268 und 0,328 kg fossilen Kohlenstoffs verbrannt (Koks/Kohle, Erdöl, Erdgas). Diese Daten sind proportional zur Ladung des Ofens. So dauerte zum Beispiel die Verbrennung von 250 kg organischer Substanzen (entsprechend 4 Leichen à 62,5 kg) im kleineren Ofenmodell etwa 3 Stunden 45 Minuten, entsprechend etwa 56 Minuten pro Leiche, bei einem Brennstoffbedarf von 21 kg fossilen Kohlenstoffs.

Translation:

"In incineration plants of the H. Kori Company, in which, depending on the model, 250 kg to 900 kg of organic animal substances could be incinerated (complete cadaver or slaughter remainders), the incineration lasted under optimal conditions between 54 and 43 seconds per kg of organic material. This took the combustion of between 0.268 and 0.328 kg of fossil fuel (coke/coal, oil, natural gas). This data is proportional to the loading of the oven. For example the incineration of 250 kg organic material (corresponding to 4 corpses each 62.5 kg) in the smaller oven model lasted about 3 hours and 45 minutes, or 56 minutes per body, at a fuel consumption of 21 kg fossil fuel."

[Hannover]

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[Carto's Cutlass Supreme]

It's so bad that they sometimes forget that a fire would leave bones. Here's Yankel Wiernik from "One Year in Treblinka." He got so wrapped up in his story about the fire (and villifying the Germans) that he forgets the bones, as if an open fire incinerated the bones! Here is a passage on burning the bodies:

The German fiends stood warming themselves, drinking, eating and singing. At last the fires died down, leaving nothing but ashes, which went to enrich the soil. Human blood and human ashes! What a fertilizer for the soil, which could tell a lot were it only able to talk.

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[Turpitz]

The idealised view of the world again. We keep on hearing about these pit's that were readied for corpse disposal, yet we get no mention of what happens to these pit's, fuel and corpses when it's pissing down with rain all day, which it does a great deal in Europe.

Did they stop all actions and wait until the rain stopped, which would mean stopping the laughable gassings?

Did they try and persevere and use pumps to keep the pit's empty?

Did they have a crew of Jews bailing the pit's out manually with buckets?

Were the pit's under a canopy of some sort?

Did they have a massive storage facility to stop the mountains of wood becoming sodden, or did they use wet wood?

Was this wood allowed to season or was it used green and damp riddled with sap?

during the foot and mouth, because of the realities of actually having to carry out such an exercise exposed to the elements, the only way they could try and burn the carcases rapidly enough to stop them putrifying was to drop all the bullshit theory and just add more and more fuel (coal/ seasoned creosote soaked sleepers until the flesh had burnt.

Fuel, fuel and more fuel was the only answer, even then many animals were starting to decompose, many times the combustion was a disaster and they had to start again, in the end to deal with the back-log mass graves were used.

[Hannover]

Moran says:

When it comes to Holocaust wood we come face to face with Pinocchio.

Liars indeed, the 'holocau$t' nose just keeps on growing. Who says Revisionists have no sense of humour?

- Hannover

[Hannover]

An older thread which is quite relevant to recent inquiries about the amount ashes and fuel required to pull off the impossible magic 'holocaust' cremations.

- Hannover