The Other Side of Holocaust Denial

[Ed Toner]

The Other Side of Holocaust Denial:

Freedom As Hate Crime

By Henry Makow, Ph.D

5-19-3

http://www.rense.com/general37/otherw.htm


Although I am the grandson of Holocaust victims, I am embarrassed by some Jewish organizations that want to make the Jewish Holocaust the defining event of World War Two.

This is seen in the boom in Holocaust Studies Programs, Holocaust Museums and Hollywood movies like "The Pianist."

Canadian Media mogul Izzy Asper is behind a new $200 million dollar "Holocaust and Human Rights Museum" in Winnipeg. The very title equates Jewish persecution with all "human rights."

The Second World War was a human calamity. Over 55 million people died. Why focus on the Jewish experience? This is the cause of anti Semitism in the first place. Jewish power brokers are perpetuating a vicious cycle.

I am also troubled by the attempt to classify people like Ernst Zundel as a "hate criminal." Zundel's website claims only one million Jews were murdered, there were no gas chambers, and Hitler didn't intend genocide. Zundel's claims are repugnant, but he has a right to be wrong. Society needs people who dispute the historical record. One may be right. If spreading false information is a crime, shouldn't we also lock up Tom Brokaw?

Canada has locked up Ernst Zundel. According to his wife, he is being mistreated in prison. He risks deportation as a "security risk." Bernie Farber of the Canadian Jewish Congress concedes Zundel doesn't "actually wield the stick" but "provides oxygen" to extremists. That definition would curb everyone's freedom of speech.


When questioning the truth becomes "hate", we have entered the1984 era of thought crime. Don't kid yourself. This is the slippery slope to tyranny and Jewish organizations are partly to blame. We must stand up in defiance.

The charge of hate is used selectively to disarm legitimate opposition. The definition of "hatred" is very selective. For example lesbians spew hatred of men but they are never arrested. Feminists teach impressionable girls that all males are potentially violent sexual predators. That's OK. The Talmud is full of hatred against Christ and Christians, but that doesn't count either. http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/talmud1.htm


Canadian MP Svend Robinson wants to make "gay bashing" a hate crime. He isn't talking about violence against gays, which is a genuine crime. He would prevent society from defending itself from activists who teach children heterosexuality is not natural but homosexuality is.


"Hate" is a bogus charge anyway. Many so-called "Anti Semites" have written me and most are not hateful or racist in the least. They are trying to defend their legitimate interests from a real and insidious attack. The arch anti-Semite Henry Ford, author of "The International Jew" (http://www.jrbooksonline.com/Intl_Jew_f ... ijtoc_.htm) employed thousands of Jews in his factories. He worked closely with a Jew, Mme. Rosika Schwimmer on his Peace Ship Crusade. Ford's Jewish architect Albert Kahn designed hundreds of buildings for him.


Jewish powerbrokers use anti Semitism to disarm opposition to their political agenda. The promotion of the Jewish Holocaust maintains the Jews' status as the world's premier "victims." This gives them immunity from criticism. It makes people feel more favourable to Jews and more willing to accede to their direction and influence. (The same strategy is used with homosexuals and feminists, the other out-groups used by the elite to subvert society.)


The Holocaust is also a defining event for Jews. Jewish power brokers use victim status to manipulate Jews and extract donations. Victimhood turns Jews into moral zombies. For most of my life I didn't give two cents for the right of Palestinians to their homes. "We suffered, we deserve a homeland," the logic goes.


The Holocaust also serves their New World Order agenda. It is a constant reminder of the pitfalls of nationalism or racial consciousness, two things the financial elite is trying to bury, with the exception of Israel.


"ALSO RAN" HOLOCAUSTS

To maintain victim priority, it's necessary for the Jewish establishment to practise "holocaust denial" when it comes to other people.

In his book "Crimes and Mercies" (1997) James Bacque describes how he confronted New York Times reporter Drew Middleton with evidence that after the war the US starved to death over one million German POWs. "What Middleton told me basically was that, yes, he had lied in 1945 and no, it did not matter to him or the New York Times if I exposed this." (183)

"Middleton's sense of security, his sense of the New York Times' power, took my breath away," Bacque writes. "But worse than that, Middleton did not care about this atrocity... the New York Times witnessed it, then denied that it happened. And has gone on denying it into the 1990's." (184)

Bacque estimates that during the Allied Occupation (1946-1950) an additional eight to twelve million Germans were deliberately starved to death. The war did not end in 1945. For five additional years, Germany was subjected "physical and psychic trauma unparalleled in history." (93)

Red Army soldiers raped up to two million German women during the last six months of the Second World War, around 100,000 of them in Berlin. They also raped Russian women released from German labour camps. We live in a feminist era. Have you seen any movies about these women?

At Potsdam, the Allies ratified the 1939 Soviet-Nazi Pact that gave USSR half of Poland. Poland was compensated with the eastern quarter of Germany, in effect another gift to the Russian empire. This required the expulsion of about 12 million Germans, the largest forced migration in history.

Jews were prominent in the Polish Communist regime. In a stunning role reversal, Jewish policemen ordered Germans out of their homes and into cattle cars. In his book, "An Eye for An Eye" Jewish writer John Sack relates that about 1.5 million of these Germans died in the removal. He quotes a German woman from Gleiwitz: "What happened to the Jews was sad. But there was another Holocaust too." (138)

According to Sacks, Jewish Communists extracted another cruel revenge. They filled 1250 Nazi concentration and labour camps and brutally tortured and murdered tens of thousands of Germans. (101 ff.)
Have you seen a movie where concentration camp guards and commandants were Jews? Since 1948, the American Jewish Committee and the Anti Defamation League have censored all Hollywood scripts involving Jews. Since these bodies are extensions of Jewish finance, what other topics have they censored? (Gabler, An Empire of the Own: How Jews Invented Hollywood 1988,p.303)

In his book, "Victims of Yalta", Nicholai Tolstoy documents "Operation Keelhaul," the Allies' forced repatriation of two million Russians who were German slave labourers, prisoners of wars, or soldiers. These people were sent to the Gulag and liquidated. Where is the museum dedicated to them?

The mass media is unusually coy when it comes to reporting Communist atrocities. Nine million people died in the Russian Civil War (1917-1922). The Communists targeted czarists and Christians in particular. Stalin's purges and famines accounted for 20 million more deaths. In China, Mao ZeDong is blamed for a similar number. More recently, let's not forgot Tibet, Cambodia and Rwanda. (See Twentieth Century death tolls at http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat1.htm )

In "The Holocaust Industry" (2000) Norman Finkelstein describes how Israel helped its ally Turkey deny the massacre of one million Armenians in 1915. "Acting at Israel's behest, the US Holocaust Council practically eliminated mention of the Armenians in the Washington Holocaust Memorial Museum, and Jewish lobbyists in Congress blocked a day of remembrance for the Armenian genocide." (p.69)

CONCLUSION

Jewish organizations dishonour Holocaust victims by using them for political purposes. It is tasteless to cast Jews as the world's premier victims. Humanity is one family and no genocide is more important than another.

To use "hate" to disarm opposition to the Zionist agenda is also repugnant. It leads to tyranny and more anti Semitism.

For Ernst Zundel to deny or understate the Jewish Holocaust is grotesque. But it is not a crime. In these questions, only the truth matters. Let the truth speak for itself. Let the truth judge Zundel.

Let me close with an anecdote. In 1961 when I was 11, my family was travelling in Germany. We stopped at tavern-restaurant where some workmen were having a loud conversation. They looked at us (a young couple with three children) and said, "We'd better shut up. There may be Jews present."

My family felt threatened. We ate and quickly left. But I realise now those workmen might have been afraid of us. Germany had just endured a gruelling occupation.

Hate is born out of fear. Let us expose the forces that make us fear each other for no reason.


Henry Makow Ph.D. is the inventor of the board game Scruples and author of "A Long way to go for a Date." His articles on feminism and the new world order are found on his web site www.savethemales.ca He enjoys receiving comments at [email protected]

[Moderator]

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[Ed Toner]

OK Boss.

I found this interesting in many ways, first from the contents, and perhaps even more so because of the background of the author, a highly educated Jew.

Dr. Makow reminds me of John Sack, Prof. Finkelstein, Prof Levin (Why Race Matters), Dr. Lilienthal, and Moshe Menuhin to name a few others.

I respect these men for their brilliance and guts.

[Hannover]

Well yes, they should get credit for their free speech advocacy; but remember they still 'believe' in alleged events which Revisionists have shown to be utterly absurd and scientifically impossible. So, how 'educated' are they? What's 'brilliant' about accepting religious superstition and nonsense?

- Hannover

[Ed Toner]

By brilliant I was referring to the high IQ of the Ashkanazai Jew - 117 average.

Who knows what they really believe?

[Hannover]

It's obvious what they believe, read again; they believe faithfully in 'gas chambers & 6,000,000.

- H.

[steve]

" I respect these men for their brilliance and guts."

I could not disagree more.

As far as exposing the biggest lie of the 20th century, they actually do more harm than good. For the reason that they SEEM to come off as outspoken, brave, etc, so, the average person reading them thinks to himself, "Well, if even Finkelstein, etal, say the Big H happened then it MUST be true."

As for John Sack, I never liked him. I'm not impressed with An Eye for an Eye. Why not? Because, if the Germans murdered, in cold blood, millions of jews, simply because 'they were jews", then who could blame some jews for extracting revenge, no matter how severe? Also, look at how be backed stabbed the IHR in that Esquire Article. Comparing revisionists to Elvis watchers, for example.

Back to the mentioned jews. I will admit, they do not seem retarded. And, I'm sure they must have been exposed to the revisionists' findings. It is almost impossible for me to believe they still buy the standard story. I can only explain it as willful ignorance. Which is not too far from simple lying. They love hiding under the Holocaust umbrella. ALL of them.

If, by the way, they actually do believe the standard story, in spite of being exposed to the revisionists findings, then, really, as Hannover implies, how bright can they be?

Do they have guts? IMO, not at all. When they come out and admit that there were NO magical Gas Chambers, NO 6e6, no policy to kill jews, then I'll give them credit. Actually, I'd be impressed if they admitted that MAYBE the revisionists were correct. After all, one cannot read the revisionists findings and not have at least some significant doubt.

Let's not accept crumbs. The H is the biggest lie around. 80 and 90 years olds are still being hounded for something that did not even happen. Billions(Trillions?) of shekels have been stolen from workers by those filthy parasites, because of this Big Lie. To accept anything less than an outright denial of the Lie is not appropriate.

Steve

[Scott]

I think the Makow article hits the mark, as did the John Sack piece in Esquire (February, 2002). Let's face it, if Provan's family was presented like the cast of Deliverance then this is only fair game considering the number of Revisionists with loony ideas like creationism. It had to be entertaining or it wouldn't have been published in the first place. If the Big-H is a hoax then it is necessary to disprove it plank by plank, including providing viable alternative theories, because the burden-of-proof has shifted in the popular imagination. Oversimplifications like No-Holes/No-Holocaust are bound to bite back at some point. Finkelstein and others are welcome additions--even though they do not say "hoax." To the extent that the Believer/Denier struggle is more about winning converts instead of epistemology and advancing historiography then it is unlikely to go anywhere. The H-Believers win by default.

[Hannover]

I know of no Revisionists who believe in creationism...I'm sure there are some though, just as there are Believers who are creationists....that's a bit of a strawman from Scott.
I have met Provan and 99.9% of the Revisionists find him to be a laughable dolt, that's why the media publicizes him....to discredit Revisionism; again, a strawman.
I must agree with Steve here; men like Finkelstein & Sacks know better but continue to Believe. They are a blessing to the 'holocau$t' Industry as they appear to be balanced; in the long run they serve the myth well.

I notice that Scott continues to engage in the illogical pursuit of demanding Revisionists prove a negative while ignoring the solid "viable" research done by Rudolf, Mattogno, Luftl, Crowell, Ball, Faurisson, Krege, Cole, etc, etc.

- Hannover

[Scott]

Provan doesn't believe in creationism? What about Biblical fundamentalism, then? The Fundamentalists are split between the philo-Semites who support Israel and Zionism and its Holocaust and the anti-Semites who don't, seeing the Jews as the natural enemies of Christ. Either way it is not science.

I must agree with Steve here; men like Finkelstein & Sacks know better but continue to Believe. They are a blessing to the 'holocau$t' Industry as they appear to be balanced; in the long run they serve the myth well.

They know better than what? They are a burr in the side of militant Zionism because they are willing to question its tenents without jumping to conclusions. And it cannot seriously be said that they are anti-Semites.

I notice that Scott continues to engage in the illogical pursuit of demanding Revisionists prove a negative while ignoring the solid "viable" research done by Rudolf, Mattogno, Luftl, Crowell, Ball, Faurisson, Krege, Cole, etc, etc.

There is nothing unreasonable about answering the questions that Believers raise. The solid Revisionist work of Rudolf, Mattogno, Crowell, Berg, etc. is precisely what I support. Crowell, for example, considers himself a "moderate Revisionist." By your measure he and his work would be a blessing to the Holocau$t Indu$try.

[Sailor]

I think the Makow article hits the mark…

What if Henry Makow were not a Jew, but rather a member of the KKK, would he also have “hit the mark”?
Just asking.

To the extent that the Believer/Denier struggle is more about winning converts instead of epistemology and advancing historiography then it is unlikely to go anywhere.

Is that what they are trying to do? I never have looked at it this way. With say 99% of all people believing that the Holocaust story is true, the believers already won hands down big time.

So I wonder, why is it necessary then to ban revisionistic books, put revisionists in jail, burn their houses down or throw acid into their faces? Are the believers scared of something?

The H-Believers win by default.

Is it a question of winning or loosing, like in a card game? Maybe it is. I don’t know. And who would be the judge? What are the rules?

Reading Mr. Toner’s various messages I get the feeling of concern, concern of the Jewish control of America, with the real power being in Israel:

…I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it.
- Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, October 8th

So we have to accept what is coming from them, read what the Jews allow us to read and watch on TV what the Jews feel is safe and not endangering the thinking of the younger generation.

The Holocaust is past history. Most of the participants are not with us anymore: the victims, survivors, perpetrators. Who really cares. The Holocaust story is used as a catalyst in the Jewish attempt to control.

[Hannover]

Yes, Provan is a dolt...as said.

Scott said:

There is nothing unreasonable about answering the questions that Believers raise. The solid Revisionist work of Rudolf, Mattogno, Crowell, Berg, etc. is precisely what I support. Crowell, for example, considers himself a "moderate Revisionist." By your measure he and his work would be a blessing to the Holocau$t Indu$try.

We have answered their questions, that's the point. Oh, please, Crowell is nowhere near the likes of Finkelstein & Makow. Please don't create yet more strawmen arguments. Crowell shoots down the fraudulent '6,000,000 & gas chambers'...the other guys Believe and have faith in them.

- H.

[elbod]

Dr. Makow seems to have other axes to grind. Here are some quotes from a female fan letter, published after the Holocaust article quoted above:

You expressed what my intuition has always told me--women are not equal to men in authority; therefore, there should be no competition between the two.
…………….
Your article titled The Power of Sexual Surrender was dead on. But it has to be more than simply surrender in the bedroom, it has to be total surrender of the will or power of the female. (Just like you've said over and over.) I don't understand it, and that's okay. I just know it is the most perfect dynamics within any relationship that I've ever known. Put simply--it works.
……………………
I'm no Bible scholar, but I do know that Satan is the master of lies, deception, and confusion, which pretty much sums up the feminist movement.

If you substitute a notion or two with some others above, you may be able to understand the “dynamics” of the Holocaust story.

As the female fan expressed it, it “works”:

I don't understand it, and that's okay. I just know it is the most perfect dynamics within any relationship that I've ever known. Put simply--it works.

Holocaust revisionism has to “understand” the dynamics, though – and this dynamics cannot readily be supplanted with political epistemology and historical “mechanics of materials”.

As Scott wrote:

To the extent that the Believer/Denier struggle is more about winning converts instead of epistemology and advancing historiography then it is unlikely to go anywhere. The H-Believers win by default.

Dr. Makow sees a need for the H-Story:

The Holocaust also serves their New World Order agenda. It is a constant reminder of the pitfalls of nationalism or racial consciousness, two things the financial elite is trying to bury, with the exception of Israel.

The Jewish monotheism once served a sort of New World Order agenda. Its success with the Roman Empire and its aftermath in Europe, reminded other cultures of the pitfalls of polytheism and tribal exclusivness, which their ruling elites eventually tried to bury, with the exception of a “One” theism and “One” tribe (guess which!).

If the Holocaust works for “our” financial elites in their quest for control of Third World natural resources, why not let it work for us, too?

Surrender to it, and share its spoils!

That's "dynamics", isn't it?

[Scott]

I think the Makow article hits the mark…

What if Henry Makow were not a Jew, but rather a member of the KKK, would he also have “hit the mark”?
Just asking.

In that case his ideology would be White supremacism and Christian Identity, which would tend to make his arguments less convincing.

To the extent that the Believer/Denier struggle is more about winning converts instead of epistemology and advancing historiography then it is unlikely to go anywhere.

Is that what they are trying to do? I never have looked at it this way. With say 99% of all people believing that the Holocaust story is true, the believers already won hands down big time.

Then I guess there is no point, no fresh perspective that Revisionism can offer.

Surely the Revisionist Movement, if one can call it a Movement, must be able to convincingly propagate its ideas. What is an intellectual dead-end, however, is trying to win converts for the faith of Believers/Deniers.

So I wonder, why is it necessary then to ban revisionistic books, put revisionists in jail, burn their houses down or throw acid into their faces? Are the believers scared of something?

I don't think it has anything to do with fear of Revisionist ideas at all. It is simply an easy way for some to show that they are not Nazis or racists and for others to vent their rage and maybe make a buck. Part Zeitgeist, part opportunism.

Regardless of the particular cause, the danger is what intellectual orthodoxy can pose for any englightened people, and that has to be fought without quarter.

The H-Believers win by default.

Is it a question of winning or loosing, like in a card game? Maybe it is. I don’t know. And who would be the judge? What are the rules?

As the bad guy on Schindler's List said, "the truth is always the right answer." One has to convince others of his viewpoint, sure, but one can't simply offer an alternative belief-system because the other side is "wrong." There has to be a spirit of free-inquiry and discovery. Yes, an environment of Open Debate.

Reading Mr. Toner’s various messages I get the feeling of concern, concern of the Jewish control of America, with the real power being in Israel:

…I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it.
- Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, October 8th

So we have to accept what is coming from them, read what the Jews allow us to read and watch on TV what the Jews feel is safe and not endangering the thinking of the younger generation.

So far the Jews have done little more than give the people what they want. It is our country too so what are we afraid of? Militant Zionism would be nothing without the the American Christian true-believers who enable it.

The Holocaust is past history. Most of the participants are not with us anymore: the victims, survivors, perpetrators. Who really cares. The Holocaust story is used as a catalyst in the Jewish attempt to control.

Deconstructing alien mythology based on strong psychological motivations and even pecuniary interest will not be easy but it must be based upon the scientific method, not articles of Faith. Fundamentalist Christians are equally the problem, if not the problem, AFAIC.

There is nothing unreasonable about answering the questions that Believers raise. The solid Revisionist work of Rudolf, Mattogno, Crowell, Berg, etc. is precisely what I support. Crowell, for example, considers himself a "moderate Revisionist." By your measure he and his work would be a blessing to the Holocau$t Indu$try.

We have answered their questions, that's the point.

If so it hasn't convinced anyone thus far. When I read Butz 23 years ago I would have expected "the truth" to be out by now. But it is not quite so simple as that. There is not one great Truth but many truths and viewpoints, and many shades of gray. That is why dogmatic slogans can bite back. The better the epistemological foundation that is laid the more persuasive the arguments in the long run.

Oh, please, Crowell is nowhere near the likes of Finkelstein & Makow.

I never said that they were like Crowell, assuming they are even Revisionists at all, let alone moderate. They make some good revisionistic points. Consequently, it was argued that because they are non-Deniers they do Revisionism more harm then good. I disagree. Like Crowell and others, they help erode dichotomous thinking, and that is good.

Please don't create yet more strawmen arguments. Crowell shoots down the fraudulent '6,000,000 & gas chambers'...the other guys Believe and have faith in them.

I agree with Faurisson when he says that the keystone is the gaschambers. That is where scientific and other research is needed the most, because without the gassings the Exterminationist-Intentionalist position falls apart. Of course--talking about falling for easily torn down straw men--this doesn't mean that "nothing bad ever happened to the Jews." But that is a familiar rut that Revisionists are prone to fall into with pat, orthodox answers (or non-answers).

[Hannover]

Scott said:

In that case his ideology would be White supremacism and Christian Identity, which would tend to make his arguments less convincing.

So then...Judeo-supremacism, Talmudic hate, and 'holocau$t' superstition/mythology/anti-science are convincing? Why is that not included here? Why is it more believable?
Could it be that those who control the presses & air-waves control the minds?

Scott said:

I agree with Faurisson when he says that the keystone is the gaschambers. That is where scientific research is needed the most, because without the gassings the Exterminationist-Intentionalist position falls apart.

But Scott previously said that Faurisson's "no holes, no holocaust" saying was overly simplistic; yet without these alleged 'holes' for inserting the Zyklon-B at Auschwitz the entire gassing lie is exposed....and we know there were no 'holes'. The research is conclusive, right now.

I do agree however, "no gas chambers no 'holocau$t'".

One influential person, at any given time could bring the story to it's knees.
Imagine that someone who is independently wealthy, free from the financial effects of intimidation; imagine that he or she studied Revisionist points and simply stated matter of factly at some key media even...'you know what Mr. So & So, the holocaust as alleged is a fraud, there were no gas chambers'.
Just like that the ball begins to roll. Imagine how paranoid the hate organizations like the ADL must be. One little moment and see ya' later amigo. Time is on our side. The lies of previous centuries fell, so shall this one.

Nice discussion, everyone. Persistence is the key.

- Hannover