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Re: quora.com / Tim O'Neill: Nazis never denied 'holocaust' / WRONG

Postby Hektor » 5 years 3 months ago (Sat Feb 24, 2018 6:01 pm)

Hannover wrote:In adding Himmler to this list see:

'Norbert Masur's report on his talk with Heinrich Himmler 1945'
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11008

- Hannover


And it goes like this:

And Himmler continued: "In order to stop the epidemic, we were forced to cremate the bodies of the many people that died of the disease. That was the reason we had to build the crematoria, and now, because of this everybody wants to tighten the noose around our neck." This was the most convulsing try by Himmler to cover up his deeds. I loathed this explanation of the crematoria to such an extent that I could only remain silent.....

...Himmler then got to the subject of the concentration camps. "The bad reputation of these camps was because of the unfortunate choice of names for them, that was a mistake, we should have called them ‘educational camps’. There were not only Jewish and political prisoners in the camps, but also criminal elements, who were detained after they served their sentence in prison. Because of this, in 1941, a war year, Germany had the lowest crime rate in decades. The prisoners had to perform heavy labor but that was true of the German people too. The treatment in the camps was sever but just." I interrupted: " But one cannot deny that many atrocities occurred in the camps," to which he answered:" I have to admit that this happened, but I then punished the guilty."...

Himmler continued on: "It was my intention to turn over the concentration camps without defending them, as I had promised. I turned over Bergen Belsen and Buchenwald, but I got no thanks for this. In Bergen Belsen they tied up a guard and photographed him with a few prisoners who had just died. And such pictures are now being published all over the world press. I also turned over Buchenwald without a struggle. Suddenly the advancing American tanks opened fire, hit the hospital building which consisted of a wooden barrack, and which of course caught on fire, burned down completely and the burned corpses were later photographed. With these kind of pictures the world press is now printing hate propaganda. When I released 2700 Jews into Switzerland yea ths also resulted in a press campaign again me personally. It was written that I only released these people in order to establish an alibi for myself. I do not need an alibi as I only did what I thought was necessary for my people,


Notably no gassing allegations are made, Not even by Masur himself. Auschwitz is mentioned though in the Masur text several times.

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Re: quora.com / Tim O'Neill: Nazis never denied 'holocaust' / WRONG

Postby hermod » 1 year 3 months ago (Wed Feb 09, 2022 10:53 pm)

"Only Lice Were Gassed at Auschwitz"
- Louis Darquier de Pellepoix, The French Eichmann,
denying the Holocaust (L'Express, October 1978)


The former French Commissionner for Jewish Affairs informing a journalist about the Holocaust lie and the anti-typhus delousing procedure in German concentration camps. No coerced 'confession' on sight this time...










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"[Austen Chamberlain] has done western civilization a great service by refuting at least one of the slanders against the Germans
because a civilization which leaves war lies unchallenged in an atmosphere of hatred and does not produce courage in its leaders to refute them
is doomed.
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Deutsche Allgemeine Zeitung, on the public admission by Britain's Foreign Secretary that the WWI corpse-factory story was false, December 4, 1925

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Re: quora.com / Tim O'Neill: Nazis never denied 'holocaust' / WRONG

Postby hermod » 1 year 3 months ago (Wed Feb 09, 2022 11:37 pm)

"[Austen Chamberlain] has done western civilization a great service by refuting at least one of the slanders against the Germans
because a civilization which leaves war lies unchallenged in an atmosphere of hatred and does not produce courage in its leaders to refute them
is doomed.
"

Deutsche Allgemeine Zeitung, on the public admission by Britain's Foreign Secretary that the WWI corpse-factory story was false, December 4, 1925

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Re: quora.com / Tim O'Neill: Nazis never denied 'holocaust' / WRONG

Postby hermod » 1 year 3 months ago (Sat Feb 12, 2022 1:19 am)

Hektor wrote:
Hannover wrote:In adding Himmler to this list see:

'Norbert Masur's report on his talk with Heinrich Himmler 1945'
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11008

- Hannover


And it goes like this:

And Himmler continued: "In order to stop the epidemic, we were forced to cremate the bodies of the many people that died of the disease. That was the reason we had to build the crematoria, and now, because of this everybody wants to tighten the noose around our neck."


That was even more a denial on Himmler's part when you know that the Allied press had unambiguously portrayed the crematories of Birkenau as mass murder facilities (equipped with homicidal gas chambers) a few months earlier when a number of American newspapers had publicized the Vrba-Wetzler 'report'...

"[Austen Chamberlain] has done western civilization a great service by refuting at least one of the slanders against the Germans
because a civilization which leaves war lies unchallenged in an atmosphere of hatred and does not produce courage in its leaders to refute them
is doomed.
"

Deutsche Allgemeine Zeitung, on the public admission by Britain's Foreign Secretary that the WWI corpse-factory story was false, December 4, 1925

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Re: quora.com / Tim O'Neill: Nazis never denied 'holocaust' / WRONG

Postby Hektor » 1 year 3 months ago (Sun Feb 13, 2022 7:49 am)

hermod wrote:
Hektor wrote:
Hannover wrote:In adding Himmler to this list see:

'Norbert Masur's report on his talk with Heinrich Himmler 1945'
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11008

- Hannover


And it goes like this:

And Himmler continued: "In order to stop the epidemic, we were forced to cremate the bodies of the many people that died of the disease. That was the reason we had to build the crematoria, and now, because of this everybody wants to tighten the noose around our neck."


That was even more a denial on Himmler's part when you know that the Allied press had unambiguously portrayed the crematories of Birkenau as mass murder facilities (equipped with homicidal gas chambers) a few months earlier when a number of American newspapers had publicized the Vrba-Wetzler 'report'...




Check the drawing they published on the crematoria in the report. It is apparent that the authors of the report where never even close to the crematoria nor did they have a description by someone that was inside.

Himmler's response demonstrates that he was well aware that there was an orchestrated propaganda campaign (easy with international media hostile to you) using the crematoria as "proof" for an "extermination program".

I give Masur credit for overcoming his own bias and trying to give a fair account of what Himmler said.

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Re: quora.com / Tim O'Neill: Nazis never denied 'holocaust' / WRONG

Postby hermod » 1 year 3 months ago (Sun Feb 13, 2022 10:25 am)

Hektor wrote:Check the drawing they published on the crematoria in the report. It is apparent that the authors of the report where never even close to the crematoria nor did they have a description by someone that was inside.


Very apparent indeed. That drawing couldn't be more erroneous that it was.






Hektor wrote:Himmler's response demonstrates that he was well aware that there was an orchestrated propaganda campaign (easy with international media hostile to you) using the crematoria as "proof" for an "extermination program".


Fortunately, Himmler could see the very dishonest exploitation of the epidemic devastation prevailing in the last German concentration camps at that time and he could comment on it before dying.




Hektor wrote:I give Masur credit for overcoming his own bias and trying to give a fair account of what Himmler said.


I'm not sure that his politically-motivated* comments and innuendoes deserve any credit. And trying to look impartial in order to better deceive people with disinformation is a common trick anyway.



* The World Jewish Congress was, and still is, above all a Zionist propaganda organization founded by Rabbi Stephen S. Wise (the founder of political Zionism in America) and Nahum Goldmann (the head of the World Zionist Organization for decades) in order to promote the Jewish seizure of Palestine.
"[Austen Chamberlain] has done western civilization a great service by refuting at least one of the slanders against the Germans
because a civilization which leaves war lies unchallenged in an atmosphere of hatred and does not produce courage in its leaders to refute them
is doomed.
"

Deutsche Allgemeine Zeitung, on the public admission by Britain's Foreign Secretary that the WWI corpse-factory story was false, December 4, 1925

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Re: quora.com / Tim O'Neill: Nazis never denied 'holocaust' / WRONG

Postby Hieldner » 1 year 3 months ago (Sun Feb 13, 2022 2:27 pm)

At Nuremberg, the defense submitted 26,674 statements by political leaders of concentration camps, stating that they had learned of extermination activities in their camps only after the war.

AFFIDAVIT POLITICAL LEADERS-54
AFFIDAVIT, 30 JULY 1946, BY THE FORMER MAYOR EDUARD KUHL: DIGEST OF 26,674 STATEMENTS BY FORMER POLITICAL LEADERS IN INTERNMENT CAMPS CONCERNING THEIR ATTITUDE AND ACTIVITIES RELATIVE TO THE JEWISH PROBLEM

Nuernberg, Germany, den 30.Juli 1946

B e t r i f f t : Judenfrage
Affidavit

von

Herrn Eduard K u e h l , ehemals Buergermeister wohnhaft in Drochtersen, Kreis Stade / Hannover I.
Ich, Eduard K u e h l , geb. 9. 4. 1896 in Ohrsee, Kreis Rendsburg - Holstein-, wohnhaft in Drochtersen, Kreis Stade, z.Zt. Gerichtsgefaengnis Nuernberg,
being duly sworn depose and say:
1. Nach Durchsicht der vorliegenden eidesstattlichen Erklaerungen, die von ehemaligen Politischen Leitern aus den Internierungslagern zu dem oben erwaehnten Anklagepunkt eingereicht wurden, stelle ich fest und bezeuge ich, dass mir

26 674 Erklaerungen

zur Bearbeitung vorgelegen haben.
In diesen Erklaerungen haben die Politischen Leiter versichert, dass
A. Innerhalb der NSDAP und des Kreises der Politischen Leiter weder oeffentlich noch geheim die Anwendung von Gewaltmassnahmen gegen Juden /Pogrome/ propagiert worden sei*) und sie selbst an Ausschreitungen gegen Juden, insbesondere in der Nacht vom 9. zum 10. November 1938 n i c h t beteiligt waren.
B. Sie von einer Vernichtung von Juden in sog. Vernichtungslagern erst nach der Kapitulation im Mai 1945 Kenntnis erhielten.
2. In den vorliegenden eidesstattlichen Erklaerungen haben
A. 245 Politische Leiter versichert, dass sie sich zum Schutz von Leben und Eigentum von Juden persoenlich eingesetzt haben, fuer ihre Unterbringung oder Unterstuetzung sorgten oder sich in anderer Weise zu Gunsten von Juden verwendet haben,
B. 531 Politische Leiter versichert, dass sie auch nach 1933 weiterhin persoenliche, geschaeftliche, berufliche oder dienstliche Beziehungen zu Juden unterhielten, ohne dass ihnen daraus als Politische Leiter seitens der Partei irgend welche Nachteile erwachsen seien,
C. 84 Politische Leiter versichert, dass die in Einzelfaellen an den Ausschreitungen gegen Juden beteiligt gewesenen Parteigenossen und Gliederungsangehoerigen zum Zwecke der Aburteilung den ordentlichen Gerichten und den Parteigerichten zugefuehrt und bestraft wurden.
Ich versichere ausdruecklich, dass die oben angefuehrten Tatsachen der Wahrheit entsprechen und dass alle mir zur Bearbeitung vorgelegten eidesstattlichen Erklaerungen ausgewertet und beruecksichtigt sind.
Eduard Kuhl
Signature of Affidavit


IMT, Blue Series, Vol. XLII, p. 348 f.

Translation:
AFFIDAVIT POLITICAL LEADERS-54
AFFIDAVIT, 30 JULY 1946, BY THE FORMER MAYOR EDUARD KUHL: DIGEST OF 26,674 STATEMENTS BY FORMER POLITICAL LEADERS IN INTERNMENT CAMPS CONCERNING THEIR ATTITUDE AND ACTIVITIES RELATIVE TO THE JEWISH PROBLEM

Nuremberg, Germany, July 30, 1946

Subject: Jewish question
Affidavit

of

Mr. Eduard K u e h l , former mayor
residing in Drochtersen, district of Stade / Hannover I.
I, Eduard K u e h l , born 9. 4. 1896 in Ohrsee, Kreis Rendsburg - Holstein-, residing in Drochtersen, Kreis Stade, presently Gerichtsgefaengnis Nuernberg, being duly sworn depose and say:
1. after reviewing the available affidavits submitted by former political leaders from the internment camps on the above-mentioned charge, I state and testify that to me

26 674 statements

have been submitted to me for examination.
In these declarations the political leaders have assured that assured that
A. Within the NSDAP and the circle of political leaders neither publicly nor secretly the use of violent measures against Jews /pogroms/ had been propagated*) and that they themselves had not participated in riots against Jews, especially during the night of November 9-10, 1938.
B. They did not become aware of the extermination of Jews in so-called extermination camps until after the capitulation in May 1945.
2. In the present affidavits
A. 245 political leaders affirmed that they had personally intervened to protect the lives and property of Jews, had provided for their accommodation or support, or had otherwise acted in favor of Jews,
B. 531 political leaders affirm that they continued to maintain personal, business, professional or official relations with Jews after 1933, without suffering any disadvantages as political leaders on the part of the Party,
C. 84 Political leaders assure that the party comrades and branch members who participated in individual cases of excesses against Jews were brought before the ordinary courts and the party courts and punished for the purpose of sentencing.
I expressly affirm that the facts stated above are true and that all affidavits submitted to me for processing have been evaluated and verified. have been evaluated and verified.
Eduard Kuhl
Signature of Affidavit

To provide soap for Germany … [Prof. Spanner] used, in the mode of the Shakespearean witches, racially and ethnically diverse corpses in his experiments … This defies the popular perception that the soap was made of “pure Jewish fat.” … We may consider this misperception a curious symptom of a purist and essentialist reading, or, at least, note that the tension between essentialism and utilitarianism reaches its peak in this misreading.

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Postby Hieldner » 1 year 3 months ago (Sun Feb 13, 2022 5:31 pm)

Another affidavit recounting a speech by Himmler in 1944 where he mentioned the conditions in the concentration camps.

AFFIDAVIT SS-24
AFFIDAVIT, 6 APRIL 1946, BY FIRST LIEUTENANT O F THE WAFFEN-SS HELLMUTH WAGNER: ON 14 APRIL 1944 HIMMLER STATED TO THE WITNESS AND TO OTHER OFFICERS OF HIS DIVISION THAT EVERYTHING WAS IN ORDER IN THE CONCENTRATION CAMPS; THEY CONTRIBUTED VALUABLE WORK TO ARMAMENT PRODUCTION, TREATMENT WAS STRICT BUT JUST, THE INMATES WERE RECEIVING RATIONS FOR WORKERS IN HEAVIEST INDUSTRIES, ONLY 5% WERE POLITICAL PRISONERS, THE REST WERE ASOCIAL PERSONS AND DANGEROUS CRIMINALS

::-:: Einzelstellungnahme zu Abschnitt C Ziffer 2. ::-::
::-:: Name: ::-:: Wagner ::-:: Vorname: ::-:: Hellmuth
::-:: Geburtstag: ::-:: 3. Mai 1919 Augsburg
::-:: Dienstgrad ::-::Oberleutnant
::-:: Beruf: ::-:: Kaufmann ::-:: Beruf des Vaters: ::-:: Offizier (Heer)
::-:: Wohnort: ::-:: Braunschweig, Dietrichstr. 17
::-:: Staatsangehorigkeit: ::-:: Deutsch
::-:: Jetzige Anschrift: ::-::Kgf. Nr. 37 G 6320319 PWE 325(13b) Altenstadt Kr. Schongau Ob. b.
::-:: Religion: ::-:: ggl.
::-:: Angehöriger ::-:: der Waffen-SS, Fronttruppe, aktiv.

1. ::-:: Stellungnahme zur Behauptung der Anklagebehorde: ::-::
Die SS habe an einem gemeinsamen Plan oder an einer Verschwörung teilgenommen die darauf abzielte, die Begehung von Verbrechen gegen den Frieden, Kriegsrecht und Humanität auszuführen.

Stellungnahme zu Abschnitt C Ziffer 2.

2. Am 14. 4. 1944 wurde in Thouars (Frankreich) der Division „Götz v. Berlichingen“ der Ärmelstreifen durch den Reichsführer-SS verliehen. Bei der Verleihung befahl mir der Reichsführer, sich anschließend an die Verleihung bei ihm zu melden. Ich meldete mich bei ihm, nachdem ich mir vorher einige Fragen, die zum Teil von Kameraden stammten, festgelegt hatte.
Unter diesen Fragen war folgende Frage:
Gibt es noch KZ’s, wer ist in denselben verwahrt, welche Behandlung erfahren die Häftlinge und welche Arbeiten werden verrichtet.
Diese Frage stellte ich, durch einen Kameraden angeregt der ebenfalls wie ich, nach langjährigem Karelien-Aufenthalt nach Frankreich versetzt wurde.
Nach Beantwortung von Fragen die der Reichsführer mir stellte, legte ich ihm diese Frage vor und er gab mir sinngemäß folgende Antwort:
„Ich spreche nachher zum gesamten Führerkorps der Division und werde auf diese Frage besonders eingehen. Ich kann Ihnen jedoch jetzt schon sagen, daß in den KZ alles in Ordnung ist. Die KZ sind hauptsächlich in der Rüstungswirtschaft eingesetzt und leisten wertvolle Arbeit. Die Behandlung ist streng aber gerecht, sie erhalten Schwerstarbeiterverpflegung, nachdem die KZ-ler Schwerstarbeit, gleich dem deutschen Rüstungsarbeiter, leisten. Die Anzahl der politischen Gefangenen ist äußerst gering und macht z. Zt. ca. 5% aus. Hauptsächlich sind die Häftlinge Asoziale und Schwerverbrecher.“
Soweit die Beantwortung, die der Reichsführer-SS persönlich an mich richtete.
Am Nachmittag des gleichen Tages sprach der Reichsführer zum gesamten Offiziers-Korps der 17. SS-Division. Er sprach über Allgemeinlage und interne Angelegenheiten, die die Waffen-SS betrafen. Er kam schließlich auch auf das Thema Konzentrationslager und sprach fast 15 Minuten darüber.
Dieses Thema wurde ungefähr mit folgenden Worten eingeleitet:
„Meine SS-Führer! Nun komme ich zu einem Punkt, über den ich Ihnen Aufklärung schuldig bin. Ich weiß, daß Sie durch Ihren fast ständigen Frontaufenthalt uber innerdeutsche Probleme wenig oder schlecht unterrichtet sind. Ich spreche jetzt über die Konzentrationslager.“
Er sprach sinngemäß, wenn jedoch weit ausführlicher, die gleichen Worte, die er mir gegenüber äußerte. Ausführlicher dadurch, daß er sich über den Einsatz in der Rüstungswirtschaft ausließ.
Der Eindruck, der auf diese Rede hin erweckt wurde, war auf alle Zuhörer ungefähr der gleiche. Bei einer anschließenden Diskussion im Kameradenkreis, hatte ich den Eindruck, daß alle, gleich mir, das Bewußtsein hatten, daß in den KZ alles in Ordnung sei.
Von den Ermordungen und anderen Scheußlichkeiten wurde ich erst nach dem 8. 5. 1945 durch die Presse informiert.

::-::Zeugen: ::-::

1. Bei der personlichen Unterredung mit dem Reichsführer war der SS-Brigadeführer Ostendorff, Div. Kdr. anwesend.
2. Als Zeugen für die Rede vor dem Führerkorps das anwesende Führerkorps.
3. Ich versichere die Richtigkeit dieser Angaben an Eidesstatt und erkläre mich bereit: dieselben vor Gericht zu beeiden. Diese eidesstattliche Versicherung erfolgt zur Vorlage beim Internationalen Militärgerichtshof in Nürnberg.

Altenstadt, den 9. April 1946
Hellmuth Wagner.


IMT, Blue Series, Vol. XLII, p. 514 f.

Translation:
AFFIDAVIT SS-24
AFFIDAVIT, 6 APRIL 1946, BY FIRST LIEUTENANT O F THE WAFFEN-SS HELLMUTH WAGNER: ON 14 APRIL 1944 HIMMLER STATED TO THE WITNESS AND TO OTHER OFFICERS OF HIS DIVISION THAT EVERYTHING WAS IN ORDER IN THE CONCENTRATION CAMPS; THEY CONTRIBUTED VALUABLE WORK TO ARMAMENT PRODUCTION, TREATMENT WAS STRICT BUT JUST, THE INMATES WERE RECEIVING RATIONS FOR WORKERS IN HEAVIEST INDUSTRIES, ONLY 5% WERE POLITICAL PRISONERS, THE REST WERE ASOCIAL PERSONS AND DANGEROUS CRIMINALS

::-:: Individual statement on section C paragraph 2. ::-::
::-:: Last name: ::-:: Wagner ::-:: First name: ::-:: Hellmuth
::-:: Birthday ::-:: 3 May 1919 Augsburg
::-:: Rank ::-::First Lieutenant
::-:: Profession: ::-:: Merchant ::-:: Father's profession: ::-:: Officer (Army)
::-:: Place of residence: ::-:: Braunschweig, Dietrichstr. 17
::-:: Nationality: ::-:: German
::-:: Current address: ::-::Kgf. Nr. 37 G 6320319 PWE 325(13b) Altenstadt Kr. Schongau Ob. b.
::-:: Religion: ::-:: ggl.
::-:: member ::-:: of the Waffen-SS, frontline troops, active.

1. ::-:: Statement on the allegation of the prosecution ::-::
That the SS participated in a common plan or conspiracy aimed at committing crimes against peace, the law of war and humanity.

Opinion on Section C(2).

2. On April 14, 1944, in Thouars (France), the Division “Götz v. Berlichingen” was awarded the sleeve stripe by the Reichsführer-SS. At the award ceremony, the Reichsführer ordered me to report to him afterwards. I reported to him after I had previously decided on a number of questions, some of which came from comrades.
Among these questions was the following:
Are there still concentration camps, who is kept in those camps, what kind of treatment do the prisoners receive and what kind of work do they do.
I asked this question, inspired by a comrade who, like me, had been transferred to France after a long stay in Karelia.
After answering questions put to me by the Reichsführer, I put this question to him and he gave me the following answer:
“I will speak to the entire Führer Corps of the Division later, and I will deal with this question in particular. However, I can already tell you that everything is in order in the concentration camps. The concentration camps are mainly used in the armament industry and do valuable work. The treatment is strict but just, they receive heavy labor rations, as the concentration camp workers do heavy labor equal to the German armament worker. The number of political prisoners is extremely small and currently accounts for about 5%. The prisoners are mainly antisocials and hardened criminals.”
So much for the answer which the Reichsführer-SS personally addressed to me.
In the afternoon of the same day, the Reichsführer spoke to the entire officer corps of the 17th SS Division. He spoke about the general situation and internal matters concerning the Waffen-SS. He finally came to the subject of concentration camps and spoke about it for almost 15 minutes.
This topic was introduced with approximately the following words:
“My SS leaders! Now I come to a point about which I owe you clarification. I know that you are little or poorly informed about inner-German problems due to your almost constant stay at the front. I am now speaking about the concentration camps.”
He essentially said the same things that he had said to me, but in much greater detail. More detailed insofar as he spoke about their use in the armaments industry.
The impression created by this speech was about the same on all listeners. During a subsequent discussion in the comrades’ circle, I had the impression that everyone, like me, was aware that everything was in order in the concentration camps.
I was informed of the murders and other atrocities only after May 8, 1945, by the press.

::-::Witnesses: ::-::

1. SS-Brigadeführer Ostendorff, Div. Kdr. was present at the personal interview with the Reichsführer.
2. as witnesses for the speech before the Fuehrer Corps the Fuehrer Corps present.
I affirm the accuracy of these statements on oath and declare that I am prepared to swear to the same in court. This affidavit is made for submission to the International Military Tribunal in Nuremberg.

Altenstadt, April 9, 1946
Hellmuth Wagner.

To provide soap for Germany … [Prof. Spanner] used, in the mode of the Shakespearean witches, racially and ethnically diverse corpses in his experiments … This defies the popular perception that the soap was made of “pure Jewish fat.” … We may consider this misperception a curious symptom of a purist and essentialist reading, or, at least, note that the tension between essentialism and utilitarianism reaches its peak in this misreading.

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Postby hermod » 1 year 3 months ago (Mon Feb 14, 2022 5:53 pm)

Ernst Kaltenbrunner (4 October 1903 – 16 October 1946) was a high-ranking Austrian SS official during the Nazi era and a major perpetrator of the Holocaust. After the assassination of Reinhard Heydrich in 1942, and a brief period under Heinrich Himmler, Kaltenbrunner was the third Chief of the Reich Security Main Office (RSHA), which included the offices of Gestapo, Kripo and SD, from January 1943 until the end of World War II in Europe.

In January 1943, Kaltenbrunner was appointed chief of the RSHA, succeeding Reinhard Heydrich, who was assassinated in May 1942. He was the highest-ranking member of the SS to face trial (Himmler having committed suicide in May 1945) at the first Nuremberg trials, where he was found guilty of war crimes and crimes against humanity. Kaltenbrunner was sentenced to death and executed by hanging in October 1946.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_Kaltenbrunner


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because a civilization which leaves war lies unchallenged in an atmosphere of hatred and does not produce courage in its leaders to refute them
is doomed.
"

Deutsche Allgemeine Zeitung, on the public admission by Britain's Foreign Secretary that the WWI corpse-factory story was false, December 4, 1925

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Postby Hieldner » 1 year 3 months ago (Tue Feb 15, 2022 4:12 pm)

Walter Schellenberg, head of the Reich’s foreign intelligence service and in 1944 successor of Wilhelm Canaris as head of the Abwehr, confirms the statements of his superior Kaltenbrunner.

AFFIDAVIT SD-61
AFFIDAVIT, 12 JULY 1946, BY WALTER SCHELLENBERG, CHIEF OF AMT VI FROM JULY 1941 AND FROM JULY 1944 ALSO CHIEF OF AMT MIL. IN REICH SECURITY MAIN OFFICE: REFERENCE TO HITLER’S ORDER, 11 FEBRUARY 1944, CREATING A COORDINATED GERMAN INTELLIGENCE SERVICE; ACTIVITIES OF AMTS OF REICH SECURITY MAIN OFFICE, PARTICULARLY OF AMT VI AND AMT MIL.; AMT MIL. WAS NOT PART OF THE SS, OTHER OFFICES ARE TO BE CONSIDERED AS BELONGING TO THE SS; LARGE PROPORTION OF EMPLOYEES OF AMT VI AND MIL. NOT SS MEMBERS; AMT VI NOT PART OF ANY PARTY ORGANIZATION; FROM SUMMER 1944 ONWARDS COOPERATION BETWEEN AMT VI, DEPARTMENT VI-Z AND CORRESPONDING GESTAPO AUTHORITIES; ACTIVITIES OF GROUP VI-S NOT KNOWN GENERALLY; GROUP-CHIEF SKORZENY WAS PERSONALLY CHARGED WITH SPECIAL MISSIONS; COUNTER-INTELLIGENCE ABROAD NOT INVOlLVED IN CONCENTRATION CAMPS, NIGHT AND FOG DECREE, EXECUTION OF CAPTURED COMMANDOS OR PARACHUTISTS, ACTIVITIES OF THE EINSATZGRUPPEN ETC.

Nuernberg, Germany

Eidesstattliche Erklaerung
von
Walter Schellenberg


Ich, Walter Schellenberg, geboren am 16.1.1910 zu Saarbruecken, wohnhaft Iburg/Hannover, von Beruf Jurist, zur Zeit im Gerichtsgefaengnis Nuernberg, being duly sworn depose and say:
Ich war von Juli 1941 bis Kriegsende Amtschef VI und von Juli 1944 bis Kriegsende Amtschef Mil. des RSHA.

[...]

Betreff: Zum Anklagepunkt - Verbrechen gegen die Menschlichkeit:
31. Frage: Zu Seite 53 der deutschen Uebersetzung des Trial-Briefes gegen Gestapo und SD: Hat sich der Auslandsnachrichtendienst an der Verfolgung der Juden beteiligt, insbesondere an der Aktion Eichmann?
Antwort : Nein.

32. Frage: Zu Seite 57 der deutschen Uebersetzung des Trial-Briefes gegen Gestapo und SD: Hat sich der Auslandsnachrichtendienst an der Verfolgung der Kirchen beteiligt?
Antwort: Nein.

33. Frage: Hat das Amt VI irgendwelche Anordnungen an die im Osten bei den Heeresgruppen eingesetzten Einsatzgruppen in Bezug auf die Massenerschiessungen erteilt?
Antwort: Nein.

34. Frage: Hat das Amt VI irgendwelche Anordnungen an die Einsatzgruppen und Einsatzkommandos in Bezug auf die Massenerschiessungen gegeben?
Antwort: Nein.

35. Frage: Hatten die Angehoerigen des Amtes VI Kenntnis von Exekutionen, die durch die Einsatzgruppen im Osten ausgefuehrt wurden?
Antwort: Nein.

Die oben angefuehrten Tatsachen entsprechen der Wahrheit. Diese Erklaerung ist von mir freiwillig und ohne jeden Zwang abgegeben worden. Ich habe dieselbe durchgelesen und unterschrieben.

Walter Schellenberg
(Signature of Affiant)


IMT, Blue Series, Vol. XLII, pp. 456, 463 f.

Translation:
AFFIDAVIT SD-61
AFFIDAVIT, 12 JULY 1946, BY WALTER SCHELLENBERG, CHIEF OF AMT VI FROM JULY 1941 AND FROM JULY 1944 ALSO CHIEF OF AMT MIL. IN REICH SECURITY MAIN OFFICE: REFERENCE TO HITLER'S ORDER, 11 FEBRUARY 1944, CREATING A COORDINATED GERMAN INTELLIGENCE SERVICE; ACTIVITIES OF AMTS OF REICH SECURITY MAIN OFFICE, PARTICULARLY OF AMT VI AND AMT MIL.; AMT MIL. WAS NOT PART OF THE SS, OTHER OFFICES ARE TO BE CONSIDERED AS BELONGING TO THE SS; LARGE PROPORTION OF EMPLOYEES OF AMT VI AND MIL. NOT SS MEMBERS; AMT VI NOT PART OF ANY PARTY ORGANIZATION; FROM SUMMER 1944 ONWARDS COOPERATION BETWEEN AMT VI, DEPARTMENT VI-Z AND CORRESPONDING GESTAPO AUTHORITIES; ACTIVITIES OF GROUP VI-S NOT KNOWN GENERALLY; GROUP-CHIEF SKORZENY WAS PERSONALLY CHARGED WITH SPECIAL MISSIONS; COUNTER-INTELLIGENCE ABROAD NOT INVOlLVED IN CONCENTRATION CAMPS, NIGHT AND FOG DECREE, EXECUTION OF CAPTURED COMMANDOS OR PARACHUTISTS, ACTIVITIES OF THE EINSATZGRUPPEN ETC.

Nuremberg, Germany

Affidavit
of
Walter Schellenberg


I, Walter Schellenberg, born 16.1.1910 at Saarbruecken, residing Iburg/Hanover, lawyer by profession, presently in Nuremberg court prison, being duly sworn depose and say:
I was Amtschef VI from July 1941 until the end of the war and Amtschef Mil. of the RSHA from July 1944 until the end of the war.

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Subject: On the charge - crimes against humanity:
31. Question : Regarding page 53 of the German translation of the Trial Letter against Gestapo and SD: Did the Foreign Intelligence Service participate in the persecution of the Jews, especially in the Aktion Eichmann?
Answer: No.

32. Question: Regarding page 57 of the German translation of the Trial Letter against Gestapo and SD: Did the Foreign Intelligence Service participate in the persecution of the churches?
Answer: No.

33. Question: Did Amt VI issue any orders to the Einsatzgruppen deployed in the East with the Army Groups regarding the mass shootings?
Answer: No.

34. Question: Did Amt VI give any orders to the Einsatzgruppen and Einsatzkommandos regarding the mass shootings?
Answer: No.

35. Question: Did the members of Amt VI have knowledge of executions carried out by the Einsatzgruppen in the East?
Answer: No.

The facts stated above are true. This declaration was made by me voluntarily and without any coercion. I have read it through and signed it.

Walter Schellenberg
(Signature of Affiant)

To provide soap for Germany … [Prof. Spanner] used, in the mode of the Shakespearean witches, racially and ethnically diverse corpses in his experiments … This defies the popular perception that the soap was made of “pure Jewish fat.” … We may consider this misperception a curious symptom of a purist and essentialist reading, or, at least, note that the tension between essentialism and utilitarianism reaches its peak in this misreading.

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Re: quora.com / Tim O'Neill: Nazis never denied 'holocaust' / WRONG

Postby hermod » 1 year 5 days ago (Sat Jun 04, 2022 9:08 am)

Alois Brunner Denied Knowledge of any Gas Chambers

by The Holocaust Cult
Published: 2020-11-10


Alois Brunner was an Austrian Schutzstaffel (SS) officer who worked as Adolf Eichmann's assistant.

Alois Brunner was a SS Hauptsturmfuhrer (about Captain level) and commander of the Drancy internment camp in France. He left the German castrate in 1954 and went to Egypt, then to Syria, where he died in 2001 or 2010. Zionists were trying to capture him for years but failed. Mossad sent him two letter bombs when he lost the sight of a eye in 1961, and then fingers of his left hand in 1980. Alois was "unrepentant about his activities to the end". [Wikipedia] He also denied claims of "gas chambers".





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Appendix 1: Alois Brunner and the “I Would Do It All Again” Lie
on January 27, 2018


The December 2014 announcement by the Simon Wiesenthal Center that one of their most sought-after “war criminals,” Alois Brunner—the so-called “right hand man to Adolf Eichmann—died four years ago, has brought forth the usual outpouring of Holocaust stories about how he was responsible for “deporting tens of thousands of Jews to death camps during the second world war.”

These stories have included the usual rehashing of a supposed interview he gave with the Chicago Sun Times in which Brunner was claimed to have said:

“All of [the Jews] deserved to die because they were the Devil’s agents and human garbage. I have no regrets and would do it again.” (“Nazi Butcher in Syria Haven”, Nov. 1, 1987).



This incredible quote has been reused time and time again, and has once again made its appearance with the latest reports of Brunner’s death.

Most media outlets—following the Holocaust Storyteller line—just repeat the quote without questioning its origin—even though Brunner denied ever saying such a thing.

Below: The Independent’s coverage of the report of Brunner’s death repeated the “I would do it again” claim.



The article was written by a Chicago Sun-Times journalist named Chuck Ashman. He claimed he had conducted a telephone interview with Brunner in Damascus, “in front of a witness.”

So who exactly was this “Chuck Ashman?”

According to an article in the Chicago Reader magazine, titled “Ashman: Adventures of an Uninteresting Person,” all of Ashman’s stories were well known in the Chicago newspaper world to be “hyperbolic” and “selective in its facts.”

However, this is not the worst of it: Ashman was also a convicted fraudster who had spent time in a lunatic asylum.

According to the Chicago Reader, Ashman was a “habitual embellisher of reality, among whose many spurious claims were a law degree from the University of Tennessee and postgraduate study at Oxford University, schools that told the Press-Enterprise they had no record of him.

Most tellingly, the paper [the Press Enterprise] examined his past. At the age of 21, when an aide to Senator George Smathers, he’d been named the Miami Beach Jaycees’ outstanding young man of the year. But in 1964, seven years later, he was convicted of three counts of passing fraudulent checks. He avoided prison by pleading insanity and undergoing two years’ confinement in a Florida state mental hospital.”



After writing a whole series of outrageous stories about then Austrian president Kurt Waldheim—which were attacked by Clemens Coreth, the Austrian consul general in Chicago, in a letter to the Chicago Sun-Times in which he accused Ashman of “misrepresentation” and “malicious” insinuations—“The Sun-Times dropped him like a hot potato after finding out a few things about Ashman’s highly erratic personal and professional history,” as the Chicago Reader revealed.

This “quote” therefore comes from a “journalist” who was not only a convicted fraudster, and a certified lunatic, but who was also fired by the Chicago Sun-Times for making up news stories.

In fact the only correctly related interview ever conducted with Brunner—who left his native Austria after the war and eventually settled in Syria—was conducted in July 1987 by Austrian journalist Gerd Honsik, and published in his book Freispruch für Hitler (Burgenländischer Kulturverband, Wien, 1988). Honsik’s book was a series of interviews with some thirty-six witnesses, including six former concentration camp inmates and several historians on the topic of the war and the alleged mass-extermination story.

Honsik actually travelled to Damascus where he interviewed Brunner in person, even taking a picture of the former SS Hauptsturmführer, and reprinting it in his book.

In the interview, Brunner not only denied ever saying the infamous quote attributed to him, saying specifically that he had only said that he would “do it again” in reference to his attempts to resettle Jews outside Europe.

When Honsik specifically asked Brunner about gas chambers, the former senior SS man replied that he had “first heard about them in newspapers after the war” and had never even heard of such a thing during his period of service.

Instead, he continued, he had been actively involved in the project to create a Jewish homeland in Madagascar, and had never even heard of any mass extermination program.

It is an indication of the mass hysteria and media propaganda around the Holocaust that the word of a certified lunatic fraudster is taken to be true without question—even though Brunner denied ever making it.

* The Austrian journalist Honsik suffered the fate of many honest people in Europe. His book was outlawed, and he was sentenced to five years imprisonment for his “crime.”


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"[Austen Chamberlain] has done western civilization a great service by refuting at least one of the slanders against the Germans
because a civilization which leaves war lies unchallenged in an atmosphere of hatred and does not produce courage in its leaders to refute them
is doomed.
"

Deutsche Allgemeine Zeitung, on the public admission by Britain's Foreign Secretary that the WWI corpse-factory story was false, December 4, 1925

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Re: quora.com / Tim O'Neill: Nazis never denied 'holocaust'

Postby hermod » 1 year 5 days ago (Sat Jun 04, 2022 9:23 am)

Hektor wrote:It's get even better, as Ernst got a famous son. Also famous for accusing his own people.
hermod wrote:Ernst Weizsäcker (who was opposed to anti-Jewish persecutions), the number 2 of the German Foreign Office from 1938 to 1943, knew nothing of the Big H before the Nuremberg "lynching party".

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True, but Ernst's famous son revealed in his memoirs how the American 'interrogators' secured false confessions at the Nuremberg show trials. Better than nothing... :wink:

"[Austen Chamberlain] has done western civilization a great service by refuting at least one of the slanders against the Germans
because a civilization which leaves war lies unchallenged in an atmosphere of hatred and does not produce courage in its leaders to refute them
is doomed.
"

Deutsche Allgemeine Zeitung, on the public admission by Britain's Foreign Secretary that the WWI corpse-factory story was false, December 4, 1925

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Re: quora.com / Tim O'Neill: Nazis never denied 'holocaust' / WRONG

Postby hermod » 11 months 4 weeks ago (Sat Jun 11, 2022 7:34 pm)

The wife of "the Architect of the Holocaust" was another 'Holocaust denier', it's now revealed.

"[Austen Chamberlain] has done western civilization a great service by refuting at least one of the slanders against the Germans
because a civilization which leaves war lies unchallenged in an atmosphere of hatred and does not produce courage in its leaders to refute them
is doomed.
"

Deutsche Allgemeine Zeitung, on the public admission by Britain's Foreign Secretary that the WWI corpse-factory story was false, December 4, 1925

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Re: quora.com / Tim O'Neill: Nazis never denied 'holocaust' / WRONG

Postby hermod » 11 months 1 week ago (Tue Jun 28, 2022 3:19 am)

FRITZ SAUCKEL DENYING HIS GUILT

"[Austen Chamberlain] has done western civilization a great service by refuting at least one of the slanders against the Germans
because a civilization which leaves war lies unchallenged in an atmosphere of hatred and does not produce courage in its leaders to refute them
is doomed.
"

Deutsche Allgemeine Zeitung, on the public admission by Britain's Foreign Secretary that the WWI corpse-factory story was false, December 4, 1925

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Re: quora.com / Tim O'Neill: Nazis never denied 'holocaust' / WRONG

Postby hermod » 11 months 1 week ago (Tue Jun 28, 2022 3:33 am)

"[Austen Chamberlain] has done western civilization a great service by refuting at least one of the slanders against the Germans
because a civilization which leaves war lies unchallenged in an atmosphere of hatred and does not produce courage in its leaders to refute them
is doomed.
"

Deutsche Allgemeine Zeitung, on the public admission by Britain's Foreign Secretary that the WWI corpse-factory story was false, December 4, 1925


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