My Majdanek Presentation almost completed / now completed

[Fred zz]

all I would be doing is parroting Mattogno since he is the only one that covers the alleged event.
You can read about it in his book on Majdanek from page 207.
I have a few things a bit related on this thread but that is as far as I will take it.
The presentation will go to over 200 slides. As it is now, it is a bit long

[Hektor]

One should not go too much into details anyway (I get that may be necessary for academic purposes, but to target a normal audience, it may become a hindrance). What one would have to look at is the following:
* The official or officious claims being made about a camp during the era (are there any reports one ca read?)
* Pick the best arguments they may have.
* Give more of a background on the whole affair.

As previously mentioned, I think Dr. Joseph Buehler spoke about Majdanek, when he was interrogated in Nuremberg. He just doesn't name it. He talks about Lublin and a labor camp there.

The picture created about any of those concentration camps is a mixture of stuff on record and stuff that is embellished by atrocity propaganda as well as story-telling. It's the mode of presentation and the repetition of Holocaust Chants that persuades people do believe the most sinister stuff happening there.

[cold beer]

all I would be doing is parroting Mattogno since he is the only one that covers the alleged event.
You can read about it in his book on Majdanek from page 207.
I have a few things a bit related on this thread but that is as far as I will take it.
The presentation will go to over 200 slides. As it is now, it is a bit long

Thank Fred, I found a pdf and I'm getting up to speed on that.

[cold beer]

One should not go too much into details anyway (I get that may be necessary for academic purposes, but to target a normal audience, it may become a hindrance). What one would have to look at is the following:
* The official or officious claims being made about a camp during the era (are there any reports one ca read?)
* Pick the best arguments they may have.
* Give more of a background on the whole affair.

As previously mentioned, I think Dr. Joseph Buehler spoke about Majdanek, when he was interrogated in Nuremberg. He just doesn't name it. He talks about Lublin and a labor camp there.

The picture created about any of those concentration camps is a mixture of stuff on record and stuff that is embellished by atrocity propaganda as well as story-telling. It's the mode of presentation and the repetition of Holocaust Chants that persuades people do believe the most sinister stuff happening there.

I agree, it's hard to even pinpoint what would be a good approach with people that are convinced that the holocaust is actual history. Most can't even name 3 camps.

[Hektor]

One should not go too much into details anyway (I get that may be necessary for academic purposes, but to target a normal audience, it may become a hindrance). .... of Holocaust Chants that persuades people do believe the most sinister stuff happening there.

I agree, it's hard to even pinpoint what would be a good approach with people that are convinced that the holocaust is actual history. Most can't even name 3 camps.

If they can't name even three camps or more, they are probably not interested strongly enough to invest more time and effort with them.

Most people may have heard of Auschwitz, though. But many even wouldn't know this. But they would have heard that "Hitler killed (6?) millions of Jews" or something like that. And they would relate it to the camps they can't name. It's essentially school textbook knowledge, which many people trust on face value or something they picked up, while watching TV or reading a bypassing article on electronic/social media.

In many cases they picked this up or got it reinforced by hearing it 'from friends'. I of course don't know what the bulk of people maybe talking about at a barbecue or in social settings. But I guess the conversation can go occasionally about it. History isn't really the top priority of most people, but what they think about it, still got influence. The Democracy Good / Dictatorship Bad catch phrase is an example of this. That democracies engage in wars, jailing people and also killing people most folks don't have it on the radar. When they hear those thinks, Hitler is perhaps the first leader they think about in name (and image). Some may mention Stalin, but I guess some other 'right-wing' dictatorships would be higher on the list, since they get bashed more in the media and by 'intellectuals' who are often leftists and rather skip what those do that practiced their ideology. They seem more embarrassed by those experiments being economic failures and not managing to fire up the masses in support of them. It's rather shocking how many people with phD's in the Humanities had this attitude that they seriously expected that the Marxist-Leninist experiments would turn into workers paradises after some juntas tried to implement Socialism. It seems many have lost interest into 'trying it harder next time', though. They are more content with their teaching and journalism jobs now. Telling people how horrible Hitler was and that Stalin or Mao were just misunderstood, social reformers. It's quite save to be edgy that way and you get a upper middle class salary. Perhaps going on vacation twice a year or visiting some memorial museum once in a while. To them it's still important that 'the Nazis were worse', at least. That's their memory of the 20th century and they want to keep it that way. Seems they dropped economic experimenting now and rather focus on social/psychological experiments involving gender and 'cultural diversity'.

[cold beer]

One should not go too much into details anyway (I get that may be necessary for academic purposes, but to target a normal audience, it may become a hindrance). .... of Holocaust Chants that persuades people do believe the most sinister stuff happening there.

I agree, it's hard to even pinpoint what would be a good approach with people that are convinced that the holocaust is actual history. Most can't even name 3 camps.

If they can't name even three camps or more, they are probably not interested strongly enough to invest more time and effort with them.

Most people may have heard of Auschwitz, though. But many even wouldn't know this. But they would have heard that "Hitler killed (6?) millions of Jews" or something like that. And they would relate it to the camps they can't name. It's essentially school textbook knowledge, which many people trust on face value or something they picked up, while watching TV or reading a bypassing article on electronic/social media.

In many cases they picked this up or got it reinforced by hearing it 'from friends'. I of course don't know what the bulk of people maybe talking about at a barbecue or in social settings. But I guess the conversation can go occasionally about it. History isn't really the top priority of most people, but what they think about it, still got influence. The Democracy Good / Dictatorship Bad catch phrase is an example of this. That democracies engage in wars, jailing people and also killing people most folks don't have it on the radar. When they hear those thinks, Hitler is perhaps the first leader they think about in name (and image). Some may mention Stalin, but I guess some other 'right-wing' dictatorships would be higher on the list, since they get bashed more in the media and by 'intellectuals' who are often leftists and rather skip what those do that practiced their ideology. They seem more embarrassed by those experiments being economic failures and not managing to fire up the masses in support of them. It's rather shocking how many people with phD's in the Humanities had this attitude that they seriously expected that the Marxist-Leninist experiments would turn into workers paradises after some juntas tried to implement Socialism. It seems many have lost interest into 'trying it harder next time', though. They are more content with their teaching and journalism jobs now. Telling people how horrible Hitler was and that Stalin or Mao were just misunderstood, social reformers. It's quite save to be edgy that way and you get a upper middle class salary. Perhaps going on vacation twice a year or visiting some memorial museum once in a while. To them it's still important that 'the Nazis were worse', at least. That's their memory of the 20th century and they want to keep it that way. Seems they dropped economic experimenting now and rather focus on social/psychological experiments involving gender and 'cultural diversity'.

I'm very intent on upping my knowledge on the specifics of atrocities committed by the communists during and prior to ww2 to use it as method to throw the type of people that abide by the official narratives way off center.
example...
"We're both Polish (Polish Americans) don't you know what our Bolshevik allies did to the Polish people? But you trust 'history' the that's cooked up by Bolsheviks? Let me fill you in on the details.....As I tried to explain, you really don't know what you claim to know about what happened"

[Hektor]

....I'm very intent on upping my knowledge on the specifics of atrocities committed by the communists during and prior to ww2 to use it as method to throw the type of people that abide by the official narratives way off center.
example...
"We're both Polish (Polish Americans) don't you know what our Bolshevik allies did to the Polish people? But you trust 'history' the that's cooked up by Bolsheviks? Let me fill you in on the details.....As I tried to explain, you really don't know what you claim to know about what happened"

The atrocious behavior of Communists is both under-investigated and underreported. Although there were some attempts to get this investigated already decades ago. Historians that try doing that, get isolated in academia and the same applies to journalists trying to do that. The thing is that there were lots of Communist sympathizers in academia and media, since the 1920s already.

The funny thing is that it was the USSR under Nikita Khrushchev that started reporting on this in more detail. But it was widely ignored at the time.

The result is that it isn't really in people's awareness that much meaning that the public mind considers it a side issue at best. Lots of folks only think that Communisms only problem was bad economics and people not having cool cars. They don't realize what the system actually was and what how the Revolution actually was executed and implemented, first in the rump of the Russian empire and then imposed onto neighboring countries piece by piece.

Additionally it is of course so that "20th century atrocities" in public awareness are 90% made up with "Nazi Atrocities". That was of course done with media reporting on 'war crimes trials' first and then the production of movies combined with "Holocaust Education". And it has become a whole industry, which should be concerning already. It is of course 'Myth Making for Secularists', since you can cell this to people that don't want to have anything to do with traditional religions. It still has the ring of martyr tales of previous ages to them. Only that people were not persecuted for 'their faith', but 'for their race' (for being Jewish). That insinuates that they didn't even have a choice in this. And of course didn't relate in any way to the 'previous behavior' of Jews'. "Six Million Innocent Victims" ... "all gassed only because they were Jewish". It's not explicitly stated, but is also used as some sort of 'atonement' sacrifice. Buying Jews (or those claiming to speak for them) special privileges from now on. And it is a power bonus, free advertising and free gas lighting to get what you want with other people in the process.

The Communist behind the iron curtain ran into a dead end. But Neomarxism in the West became the most influential ideology in the aftermath of world war two. They didn't always explicitly state that they are Marxists (although some did), but rather preferred to pass their views on as 'liberalism' and sometimes even 'christian'. Helmut Schelsky pointed out how this worked:
https://archive.org/details/helmut-sche ... stitutions

Get a 'revolution' in the academic circles of the Humanities first and over time you will have a social revolution, even a political revolution without firing a shot and without even changing the parties that govern.

[Fred zz]

I have been thinking of another (Common Sense) issue in regards to the Majdanek camp incoming process and claimed gassings.
The thought came to me after watching this video, watch from 2:05: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1k2ivX3D3BU&t=152s
I posted this clip before
It makes no sense to me to operate a homicidal gas chamber in the middle of all this incoming process activities.
See the attachment provided for a clearer idea of my arguments. Note the contents of this testimony there on this sign inside the B42 building. It is such a mumble jumble of claims that conflict with each other.
If you have any thoughts, I hope to hear from you

[Michael_Snowy]

They really do have a shoe fetish.

[Hektor]

They really do have a shoe fetish.

That would be an interpretation of this of course.
But you'd need to be a bit more elaborate on this. I see the displays they put into their 'museums' as highly suggestive. It's narrative creation they are doing. Arranging stuff in a way that makes it appear that their narrative got merits. But when you look into this, you notice that they actually don't have real proof for what they are trying assert. There were camps, there were prisoners, there were also prisoners dying there. But that doesn't mean that there was a plan or intention to kill them. In fact there is lots of circumstantial evidence that the prisoners were to be kept alive. Ironical what they use as substitute for proof of 'homicidal gassings' is actually proving that they were to be kept alive.

[Michael_Snowy]

In fact there is lots of circumstantial evidence that the prisoners were to be kept alive.

Indeed. I have not seen any empirical evidence of anyone being gassed. I don't think piles of shoes would even count as circumstantial evidence in a court. Would it?

[Hektor]

In fact there is lots of circumstantial evidence that the prisoners were to be kept alive.

Indeed. I have not seen any empirical evidence of anyone being gassed. I don't think piles of shoes would even count as circumstantial evidence in a court. Would it?

Depends on for what.

If I find Bill's shoes in your apartment, this could indicate theft. But would it mean that you murdered/killed Bill? I don't think so.
Bill could be a missing person, but if there is no corpse? Still a missing person.

In the case of the Jews they were never 'missing persons', they became declared to be 'gassed in XYZ' a priori. And that is exactly what should raise suspicion. Why were Jews that were deported but not detected afterwards not declared missing persons first and that at least for a number of years?!

[Fred zz]

If you are able to stomach this, I found this on Zyklon use at Majdanek and Auschwitz
Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHG0cHjGAgM
Posted 4 months ago
One lie packed on another,

[Hektor]

If you are able to stomach this, I found this on Zyklon use at Majdanek and Auschwitz
Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHG0cHjGAgM
Posted 4 months ago
One lie packed on another,

I guess, when your narrative isn't exactly convincing, it helps to be persuasive by demonizing the substance that you claim was used in the killing process.

[Fred zz]

I am sure you all know about the two tanks at the Majdanek Room 14 that were said to contain CO gas for gassing rejects when CO2 is clearly stamped
Here is a Tweet someone sent me you all might find of interest
also see attachments if you do not know of tanks

Tweet contents:
They were installed at the turn of the 1940s/50s. Five CO containers were found at Majdanek in 1944: each had their serial number & Jennerwein/Brenner codenames. Soviets took all 5 tanks away together with many important documents - they might still be kept somewhere in Russia

Then they replace the tanks with something else?
Link: https://twitter.com/majdanekmuseum/stat ... T5ktz-rCZg