Another video by HistorySpeaks

[telleno]

This video is apparently part II in his series "debunking Holocaust denial." In this, he talks about the "Where did they Go?" problem and how "deniers" are unable to explain what happened to jews who disappeared in Nazi camps. Thoughts?

[Hektor]

Holocaust Deniers are not unable to explain where they went. It's plain and simple that they 'went elsewhere'. And that is actually sufficiently as a rebuttal for a rational person. But they will of course say that Revisionists can't give the addresses of six million Jews after World War Two and this by implication proves that those Jews were gassed. Imagine this being acceptable proof for what is alleged. You don't have proof where everybody in the bus went the following day? "See, they were gassed". If you disagree, you are a Nazi sympathizer, this is how ridiculous that is.

It is also a distraction from their inability to demonstrate where the six million bodies went. The cremation argument is demonstrable insufficient. There is also no corresponding mass graves. What can be shown is in line with people dying of natural causes and perhaps occasional executions. That's all. Riding this into "The gassed six million Jews" is simply malicious accusing and atrocity propaganda. ... 'But all the movies, books, historians, politicians. clergy agree that the Holocaust is real'... Yeah, I didn't know that consensus is a valid substitute for empirical evidence with logical arguments.

Repeat:
It's not the "Holocaust Deniers" that have to explain 'where did Jews go'.
It is the Holocaustian and Exterminationists that have to demonstrate that there is evidence that those people were killed as part of a genocidal program. That evidence doesn't exist, plain and simple. Otherwise we would have been shown that evidence already decades ago.

All they got is malicious atrocity propaganda and vile gossip that blown out of proportion by abuse of the court systems and sensationalist media. And now you got indoctrinated kids that have difficulties acknowledging that they were taken for a ride by people they were taught to trust. I get this can be difficult. But perhaps it is time that you guys grow up a little and leave the selfish 'I'm right because I'm educated' attitude?!

[Hieldner]

This typical Holocauster video is ripe with empty rhetoric and incantations of “we have all the proofs” when there is nothing to it in reality.

There have been past cases of millions of people being miraculously resurrected: The correction of the Auschwitz victim number down from 4 million to 1.5–1 million, and the correction of the Majdanek victim number from 4 million to not that many millions to several hundred thousand to under one hundred thousand.

What he says at ~15:00 about no traces of a Jewish reservation is plain and simply wrong. The General Government was the designated resettling area, there is a plan, there are documents and there are private letters etc. etc. to prove all of that. They were also resettled elsewhere for which there are also documents and letters.
The problem is that not every Jew can be traced, i.e. documentary proof of the total number of Jews resettled to which place.

[Hektor]

This typical Holocauster video is ripe with empty rhetoric and incantations of “we have all the proofs” when there is nothing to it in reality.

There have been past cases of millions of people being miraculously resurrected: The correction of the Auschwitz victim number down from 4 million to 1.5–1 million, and the correction of the Majdanek victim number from 4 million to not that many millions to several hundred thousand to under one hundred thousand.....

Indeed. They think the propaganda footage by sykewar & al is somehow 'proof the Holocaust happened'. That is simply not the case. Even exterminationist historians would dispute that this is the case. OK, they may flip, flop on the question. And I'd guess that being shown the atrocity movies over and over again has an effect, especially when you are young. Holocaust historians would rather use the verdicts of 'war crimes trials' and then rather those that aren't as strong under suspicion of being a show trial. E.g. Rather use the Frankfurt Auschwitz Trial than some soviet show trial. Although the participation of Eastern Block legal teams as well as witnesses was rather astonishing. Especially that they were not at any risk of being tried and punished for perjury. There were also indication of witness coaching AND Eastern witnesses being a problem for the case were harassed by their respective governments. This is even on record at the trial. The accused were charged with murder in 100.000s of cases. But whom they murdered ('gassed') was never mentioned. Not one name was given. And the trial actually admitted to the absence of any meaningful physical evidence. People are shocked by the accusations and by some of the testimony of course. But if they'd approach the affair rationally and with critical thinking... There is no way that you could consider it proof for the genocidal/gassing allegations in any way. In fact the trial is an example for atrocity propaganda getting its own life, if only enough people are outraged about it.


The problem with your run of the mill Holocaustian is that he is 'willfully ignorant'. He was first shocked by the Holocaust propaganda materials. Then he swallowed the narrative. And now he makes a decision not to accept any evidence or arguments to the contrary. He feels affirmed by the repetitions of the narrative in the media, the impression that everybody seems to be believing it, the fact that there are 'experts' proclaiming it treating it as fact and that there is virtually no experts that publicly challenge the Holocaust Narrative.

In the end it is really nothing more than the power of Myth we are dealing with here. Ego, emotion, superstition, gullibility, moralizing, white knighting and 'being part of the good guys' (and victors) plays a mayor role in this. The average Holocauster is a coward and a hypocrite as well. A coward because he doesn't dare to deal with unpopular opinions. And a hypocrite because hy tries to play a moralist role, while actually being a rather vicious individual. I mean those longer in Revisionism will still remember the Nizkor crew and their approach to the matter. Extremely arrogan, high-minded and mean folks. At the same time White-Knighting for those 'innocent Jews' who were the victims of the evil Nazis. Zero knowledge that deserves to be called historical. No idea what went on in the Weimar Republic. And how NS-policies towards Jews unfolded. No mentioning of the Anti-German hate campaign and Germanophobia in later Allied countries.

[greatmystery]

This video is apparently part II in his series "debunking Holocaust denial." In this, he talks about the "Where did they Go?" problem and how "deniers" are unable to explain what happened to jews who disappeared in Nazi camps. Thoughts?

I have written an article on this, https://www.holocaust.claims/general/missing-people/

I think that when that question comes up we should remind people that the burden of proof lies on the person making the accusation. Therefore it is up to the exterminationists to answer what happened to the remains of 6 million people. Of course they are unable to do this.

[Hektor]

This video is apparently part II in his series "debunking Holocaust denial." In this, he talks about the "Where did they Go?" problem and how "deniers" are unable to explain what happened to jews who disappeared in Nazi camps. Thoughts?

I have written an article on this, https://www.holocaust.claims/general/missing-people/

I think that when that question comes up we should remind people that the burden of proof lies on the person making the accusation. Therefore it is up to the exterminationists to answer what happened to the remains of 6 million people. Of course they are unable to do this.

There were missing people listed for any nationality sometimes in the millions. Were there any Jews 'missing' after world war two? Or where they all declared to be dead?

[greatmystery]

This video is apparently part II in his series "debunking Holocaust denial." In this, he talks about the "Where did they Go?" problem and how "deniers" are unable to explain what happened to jews who disappeared in Nazi camps. Thoughts?

I have written an article on this, https://www.holocaust.claims/general/missing-people/

I think that when that question comes up we should remind people that the burden of proof lies on the person making the accusation. Therefore it is up to the exterminationists to answer what happened to the remains of 6 million people. Of course they are unable to do this.

There were missing people listed for any nationality sometimes in the millions. Were there any Jews 'missing' after world war two? Or where they all declared to be dead?

Good point. This is yet another example of circular logic used by the Holocaust promoters. 'We know the Holocaust happened so the only logical answer to unaccounted for Jews is that they were gassed by Nazis'.

If I had a nickel for every circular argument I've seen from these people...

[Hektor]

It is not really a circular argument, but it is a similar illogical fallacy.

It's more in line with 'affirming the consequent'. Pointing to a state of affairs that could be the result (consequence) in your hypothesis and then claim that this proves that your hypothesis is true. Not so fast. Hypothesis are about causality like A causes B. In this case this goes like this:
Cause: Hitler gassed six million Jews and made the remains vanish.
Effect: Jews are not present in the countries from which they were deported.

The postulated effect is than used to claim that it is proof for the causal hypothesis to be true.
That non-presence of people can have all kinds of reasons is ignored.
Given the conditions Europe was in during the 1940s, it is absolutely no surprise that people would move to other continents or simply not return where they lived previously. Especially when the previous residence was destroyed or now inhabited by other people.

Given that Jews were transported to Eastern Europe and that region fell under Soviet Domination afterwards. It shouldn't be a surprise, if there was no further communication with them.

So no, just because you don't know where somebody is, is no proof for that person being gassed in Auschwitz.

But people that are given to Holocaustianity think that this is somehow the silver bullet, when they say that. In fact they think any argument that can't be dismissed as stupid out of hand, is somehow a pearl of wisdom.