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Re: "Why did Hitler hate the Jews"

Postby Hektor » 3 years 9 months ago (Wed Aug 14, 2019 5:30 pm)

Lamprecht wrote:,,,,,
http://holocaust-history.org/short-essa ... jews.shtml
Jews were the targets of the Holocaust because Hitler hated Jews and blamed them for all of the problems in the world. He especially blamed them for Germany's loss of World War I. Hitler told the German people that they could have won the first war, if Germany had not been "stabbed in the back" by the Jews and their conspirators.

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Untrue on so many levels. Neither Hitler nor the NSDAP "blamed Jews for all problems in the world".
Their role within WW1 is a bit more complex as well. And I'd say this was generally realized by observers then.

Jews were to removed from Germany, because they were seen as an intrusive alien element in German society.

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Re: "Why did Hitler hate the Jews"

Postby Lamprecht » 3 years 9 months ago (Wed Aug 14, 2019 6:23 pm)

Hektor wrote:
Lamprecht wrote:,,,,,
http://holocaust-history.org/short-essa ... jews.shtml
Jews were the targets of the Holocaust because Hitler hated Jews and blamed them for all of the problems in the world. He especially blamed them for Germany's loss of World War I. Hitler told the German people that they could have won the first war, if Germany had not been "stabbed in the back" by the Jews and their conspirators.

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Untrue on so many levels. Neither Hitler nor the NSDAP "blamed Jews for all problems in the world".
Their role within WW1 is a bit more complex as well. And I'd say this was generally realized by observers then.

Jews were to removed from Germany, because they were seen as an intrusive alien element in German society.

Yes, that statement is untrue to the point where it's almost comically ridiculous. I think it is really just something written for children. The unfortunate thing is that many people believe that sort of obvious propaganda, just like the "blond hair blue eyes" nonsense.
"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments, and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance -- that principle is contempt prior to investigation."
— Herbert Spencer


NOTE: I am taking a leave of absence from revisionism to focus on other things. At this point, the ball is in their court to show the alleged massive pits full of human remains at the so-called "extermination camps." After 8 decades they still refuse to do this. I wonder why...

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Re: "Why did Hitler hate the Jews"

Postby Lamprecht » 3 years 9 months ago (Sat Aug 24, 2019 8:10 pm)

Albert Einstein, 17th June 1921. "Jewish Nationalism and Anti-Semitism", The Jewish Chronicle, p. 16:
"This phenomenon in Germany is due to several causes. Partly it originates in the fact that the Jews there exercise an influence over the intellectual life of the German people altogether out of proportion to their number. While, in my opinion the economic position of the German Jews is very much overrated, the influence of Jews on the Press, in literature, and in science in Germany is very marked, as must be apparent to even the most superficial observer. This accounts for the fact that there are many anti-Semites there who are not really anti-Semitic in the sense of being Jew-haters, and who are honest in their arguments. They regard Jews as of a nationality different from the German, and therefore are alarmed at the increasing Jewish influence on their national entity."



From Richard Lynn's book on Jews: http://www.unz.com/book/richard_lynn__t ... -1918-1933
Jews remained prominent in the economic elite during the Weimar Republic. Mosse (1987, pp.355, 362), the historian of the socio-economic position of Jews in Germany, writes that “men of Jewish extraction were to be found in some 39 of the largest industrial companies… and down to 1931, there is little evidence of any significant overall decline of the role of Jews in German economic life” although he does not provide any further statistics to substantiate these assertions. In these years Jews were becoming increasingly assimilated with gentile society. In 1901-1905, 15 per cent of Jews married gentiles. In 1926-1932 this figure had risen to 36 per cent, and by 1933 to 44 per cent (Gordon, 1984, p.17).

Statistics showing the percentages of Jews among the socio-economic elite in the WeimarRepublic are given in Table 10.9 (at this time Jews were about 0.78 per cent of the population). Rows 1-3 show that in 1925 16 per cent of the doctors, 15 per cent of the dentists and 25 per cent of the lawyers were Jews. Row 4 shows that in 1928 80 per cent of the leading positions in the Berlin stock exchange were occupied by Jews. Row 5 shows that in 1930 43 per cent of the leading positions in Jewish private banks were held by Jews and row 6 shows that in the same year 6 per cent of the leading positions in non-Jewish banks were held by Jews. Row 7 shows that in the same year 80 per cent of the plays produced in Germany were written by Jews and row 8 shows that in 1931 50 per cent of theatre directors were Jews. In addition, “ a large number of prominent actors and actresses were Jewish” (Gordon, 1984,p.14).

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On August 26, 1936 the British Embassy in Berlin compiled a researched report and sent it to the Foreign Office in London, stating that:
In 1931 out of 3,450 lawyers in Berlin, 1,925 were Jews. In Breslau the numbers were 285 and 192, and in Frankfurt-on-Main 659 and 432 respectively. In Berlin the number of Jewish doctors was 52%, while in most towns the average was 30%. Fifteen Jewish bankers are stated to have held 718 director-ships in banks and commercial undertakings. Of theatre directors, 50.4% were Jews. Although Jews formed less than one per cent of the total population, there is a widespread feeling that they blocked the approaches to all the leading positions in the State, monopolising them for themselves.
Medlicott, Professor W.N., Dakin, Professor Douglas, Bennett, Gillian, Documents on British Foreign Policy 1919-1939, Second Series, vol.xvii, HMSO London, 1979, p.175.
"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments, and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance -- that principle is contempt prior to investigation."
— Herbert Spencer


NOTE: I am taking a leave of absence from revisionism to focus on other things. At this point, the ball is in their court to show the alleged massive pits full of human remains at the so-called "extermination camps." After 8 decades they still refuse to do this. I wonder why...

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Max Planck and Adolf Hitler quote

Postby Lamprecht » 7 months 1 week ago (Sun Oct 30, 2022 4:43 pm)

Has anyone seen this quote before? It's supposed to be of a discussion between Hitler and Max Planck.

Max Planck and Adolf Hitler (1956) James C. O'Flaherty
https://web.archive.org/web/20221030213 ... hitler.pdf | http://www.jstor.org/stable/40222051

"I have nothing at all against the Jews themselves. But the Jews are all Communists, and these are my enemies - it is against these that I am fighting... All Jews stick together like burrs... It was up to the Jews themselves to draw a dividing-line between the different kinds. But they have not done that, and therefore I must proceed uniformly against all Jews."

- Adolf Hitler to Max Planck, 1933

In the PDF, a source cited is a book from 1937 which I cannot locate.
"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments, and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance -- that principle is contempt prior to investigation."
— Herbert Spencer


NOTE: I am taking a leave of absence from revisionism to focus on other things. At this point, the ball is in their court to show the alleged massive pits full of human remains at the so-called "extermination camps." After 8 decades they still refuse to do this. I wonder why...

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Re: Max Planck and Adolf Hitler quote

Postby Otium » 7 months 1 week ago (Mon Oct 31, 2022 1:32 am)

Lamprecht wrote:Has anyone seen this quote before? It's supposed to be of a discussion between Hitler and Max Planck.

Max Planck and Adolf Hitler (1956) James C. O'Flaherty
https://web.archive.org/web/20221030213 ... hitler.pdf | http://www.jstor.org/stable/40222051

"I have nothing at all against the Jews themselves. But the Jews are all Communists, and these are my enemies - it is against these that I am fighting... All Jews stick together like burrs... It was up to the Jews themselves to draw a dividing-line between the different kinds. But they have not done that, and therefore I must proceed uniformly against all Jews."

- Adolf Hitler to Max Planck, 1933

In the PDF, a source cited is a book from 1937 which I cannot locate.


The quotation is from Max Planck's account. It seems to me that O'Flaherty is referring to a different comment made in Hartshorne's book which he doesn't actually quote in his paper. It's just something we're expected to know, maybe because it's an 'infamous' quote, but something Planck doesn't substantiate in his 1947 account.

Planck wrote on May 6, 1947:

German:

    Nach der Machtergreifung durch Hitler hatte ich als Präsident der Kaiser- , Wilhelm-Gesellschaft die Aufgabe, dem Führer meine Aufwartung zu machen. Ich glaubte, diese Gelegenheit benutzen zu sollen, um ein Wort zu Gunsten meines jüdischen Kollegen Fritz Haber einzulegen, ohne dessen Verfahren zur Gewinnung des Ammoniaks aus dem Stickstoff der Luft der vorige Krieg von Anfang an verloren gewesen wäre. Hitler antwortete mir wörtlich: „Gegen die Juden an sich habe ich gar nichts. Aber die Juden sind alle” Kommunisten, und diese sind meine Feinde, gegen sie geht mein Kampf.“ Auf meine Bemerkung, daß es doch verschiedenartige Juden gäbe, für die Menschheit wertvolle und wertlose, unter ersteren alte Familien mit bester deutscher Kultur, und daß man doch Unterschiede machen müsse, erwiderte er: „Das ist nicht richtig. Jud ist Jud; alle Juden hängen wie Kletten zusammen. Wg ein Jude ist, sammeln sich sofort andere Juden aller Art an. Es wäre die Aufgabe der Juden selber gewesen, einen Trennungsstrich zwischen den verschiedenen Arten zu ziehen. Das haber sie nicht getan, und deshalb muß ich gegen alle Judeh gleichmäßig vorgehen.“ Auf meine Bemerkung, daß es aber geradezu eine Selbstverstümmelung wäre, wenn man wertvolle Juden nötigen würde auszuwandern, weil wir ihre wissenschaftliche Arbeit nötig brauchen und diese sonst in erster Linie dem Ausland zugute komme, ließ er sich nicht weiter ein, erging sich in allgemeinen Redensarten und endete schließlich: „Man sagt, ich leide gelegentlich an Nervenschwäche. Das ist eine Verleumdung. Ich habe Nerven wie Stahl.“ Dabei schlug er sich kräftig auf das Knie, sprach immer schneller und schaukelte sich in eine solehe Wut hinauf, daß mir nichts übrig blieb, als zu verstummen und mich zu verabschieden.

English:

    Following Hitler's seizure of power, I had the responsibility as president of the Kaiser Wilhelm Society of paying my respects to the Fuhrer. I believed I should take this opportunity to put in a favorable word for my Jewish colleague Fritz Haber, without whose invention of the process for producing ammonia from nitrogen in air the previous war would have been lost from the start. Hitler answered me with these words: "I have nothing against Jews as such. But Jews are all Communists, and it is the latter who are my enemies; it is against them that my fight is directed." I commented that there are different types of Jews, both worthy and worthless ones to humanity, with old families of the highest German culture among the former; and when I suggested that a distinction would have to be made between them after all, he replied: "That's not right. A Jew is a Jew; all Jews stick together like burrs. Where there is one Jew, all kinds of other Jews gather right away. It would have been the duty of the Jews themselves to draw a dividing line between the various types. They did not do this; and that is why I must act against all Jews equally." He ignored my comment that forcing worthy Jews to emigrate would be equivalent to mutilating ourselves outright, because we direly need their scientific work and their efforts would otherwise go primarily to the benefit of foreign countries. Instead, he broke out in generalities and finally ended with: "People say I suffer occasionally from nervous debility. This is slander. I have nerves of steel." As he said this he pounded his knee, spoke faster and faster, and whipped himself up into such a fury that I was left with no other choice than to remain silent and to take my leave.

Max Planck, "Mein Besuch bei Adolf Hitler", Physikalische Blatter, Vol. 3 (1947), No. 5, p. 143. In English: Max Planck, "My Audience with Adolf Hitler", in: Klaus Hentschel (ed.), Physics and National Socialism: An Anthology of Primary Sources (Basel/Boston/Berlin: Birkhauser Verlag, 1996), Doc. 114, pp. 359-360.


I'd say that Planck's account is reliable. It's very short, and Planck presumably only met with Hitler once. Such a meeting even recalled 10 years later would not be something one easily forgets. Particularly since it was Planck who prompted Hitler to talk about Jews, it would then only make sense that he'd recollect the answer.


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