The disgusting hypocrisy of the FRG's national football team on freedom of speech

[sfivdf21]

Hi everyone, before the start of the recently finished Germany-Japan match in the current 2022 FIFA World Cup in Qatar, the players of the FRG's football team before the match began made a gesture to protest against the measure imposed by the FIFA to ban the captains of the national football teams to wear rainbow-armbands from the LGBT+ Lobby so as not to provoke the host country, covering their mouths to denounce that this sanction violates freedom of speech.

Really?... REALLY!? This protest has been done by the football team of a country, Germany, which unfortunately has been and remains a occupied Jewish-dominated country since 1945, oppressed, without any kind of national sovereignty and freedom (and of course, as we all know, without freedom of speech). A country in which the Germans cannot say oppenly what they really think about their recent history, in which to question the great lie of the so-called "Holocaust" or praise Adolf Hitler, National-Socialism and the Third Reich era in public is persecuted and punished with YEARS in prison, a country in which under this criminal and Orwellian ideological persecution, even elderly people over 90 years of age are imprisoned for the mere fact of expressing their opinion and defending freedom and honor of his country. A country in which the criminal political elite that subjugates it constantly tries to BRAINWASH the population by imposing on them a repugnant guilt complex for alleged historical events that never happened. A country in which the criminal political elite that subjugates it outrages the memory and bans paying homage to the heroes of German history such as the German soldier of the Wehrmacht and the Waffen-SS or Adolf Hitler and the rest of NSDAP leaders themselves who gave their life for the freedom of his country in the bloodiest war in history and that simultaneously honors the dirty rats, cowards and traitors who betrayed Germany in those hard and difficult moments such as Claus von Stauffenberg or the White Rose group and that maintains monuments to those who murdered millions of Germans and who occupied the country (and indeed still occupying it today) like the infamous Soviet soldier memorial in Berlin's Treptower Park or the memorials to Anglo-American terrorist bombers such the bloody Arthur Harris. A country in which good and innocent old people of almost or more than 100 years of age who did nothing wrong just for having served as SS guards in the KZ during World War II are persecuted with inhuman evil through Soviet-style Show Trials.

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Well, the football team of that country that considers a serious violation of freedom of speech that the FIFA sanctions that the teams of western countries take their Woke garbage and propaganda imposed by the Jews and the LGTB+ Lobby to the World Cup in Qatar but I haven't see them protest all the violations of fundamental freedoms and rights that take place in Germany today.

I wonder, is the FRG's football team going to be consistent and protest the imprisonment of Ursula Haverbeck, Horst Mahler, Sylvia Stolz, Marianne Wilfert and so many other Germans for questioning the "Holocaust"? Will the FRG's football team to repeal the infamous laws that bans and persecute questioning the "Holocaust" and praise Hitler and National Socialism? Watching the FRG's football team protest against the lack of free speech is like watching North Korea teaching lessons about free speech and freedom in general. In fact I think that today's Germany is a much worse and infamous tyranny than North Korea.

Anyway, sorry for the aggressiveness with which I have written this thread, but situations of such so blatant hypocrisy infuriate me and sometimes make me lose my temper.

[jarno]

Very well put. I wish that I had the verbal elegance that you do to express things that I've long felt. I'm glad that you mentioned Sylvia Stolz, and others. They're heroes of mine, exceptional human beings who have sacrificed themselves for higher ideals. Thank God for them! It's because of these saints that the truth is beginning to prevail. And those in power, regardless of their speech laws, cannot stop it.

[borjastick]

Just to put some balance and context, though this has nothing to do with the holocaust, there was another article on the internet yesterday that said the mouth covering German team gesture had nothing at all to do with freedom of speech or LGBTQ+ rights in a muslim country. No, not at all. This was a gesture of good will and support for the previous German national football coach Joachim Low whose favourite affectation was to stand on the touch line covering his mouth with his hand. They miss him and since his departure the team and its va va voom have gone down the toilet.

[Hektor]

First I misread this as FDR... but I stand corrected.

Hi everyone, before the start of the recently finished Germany-Japan match in the current 2022 FIFA World Cup in Qatar, the players of the FRG's football team before the match began made a gesture to protest against the measure imposed by the FIFA to ban the captains of the national football teams to wear rainbow-armbands from the LGBT+ Lobby so as not to provoke the host country, covering their mouths to denounce that this sanction violates freedom of speech.
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Concerning Politics and the permanent obnoxious prescribing of 'political morals' to others... Germany is considered a bad joke for decades already. In many countries this actually is quite confusing to people. The people like German cars and other German manufactured goods for their quality, durability and liability... (At least they did).... So the general expectation is that Germans must be intelligent people. Well, they are not really stupid... But what they are is being morally confused and psychological sick. And that's where the political moralizing comes in. In the first four decades of the FRG it wasn't that strong of course. The plausible aim was to normalize relationships with other countries... First and foremost their neighbors, but also other countries who were influenced by allied propaganda. There is no space for obnoxious moralizing, especially the absurd forms of it.

Frankly, if you engage in sports don't tell me about freedom of speech. You simply don't have that. You wear logos and ads from your sponsors and in a National Team you got to hold back on any personal opinion, anyway. The aim is good relationships with other nations.

As if LGBT messages are on the heart of soccer players anyway. It's so obvious a charade, it's almost unbelievable.


If you really want to talk about freedom of speech as a german... Let's have a look whether people are harassed, persecuted, put on trial, jailed in Germany for views they did express. What views are those? Where they inciting violence or hatred against others. As far as Revisionists are concerned... Virtually none of them ever did do so. Still they were persecuted and put in jail, whenever the administration in Germany got a chance to do so. And well, what's actually more concerning to Germans... That is the fact that the mass of public figures in Germany allows the government to get away with this... They either turn a blind eye or justify the persecution... Wait? Wasn't that what you did accuse the Germans of the NS-era of for decades? No that's exactly what you did. First more careful, when those that lived through Weimar and War were still holding position of social prestige and power, but when they went into pension, you suddenly gave it a full blow. Starting with academics that is... Those that were working during the NS-era were put on the side-burner, regardless of their performance as academics, authors, etc. Or should I say, especially when they were good professionals, especially with better insight than you?!

The soccer team will be kids from the 1990s for most... Probably no idea how all this came about. But don't tell me you have freedom of speech, when there is a panel of political appointments deciding about your professional career. Of course you don't. But that doesn't mean others shouldn't.

[hermod]

Western democracies label their banned words and statements as "hate speech" and "incitement" so that they can claim that there is freedom of speech in their own territories. Most lemmings (soccer players and supporters are of course braindead lemmings of the dumbest type) fall for that gross trick and sincerely believe that they live in a country with freedom of speech and some legitimate restrictions. That's the reason why Holohoax propagandists must repeat on and on that Holocaust revisionists are anti-Semitic deniers and racist agitators. Such a libel legitimizes their silencing and imprisonment, the brainwashed sheeple believe.

[Hektor]

Western democracies label their banned words and statements as "hate speech" and "incitement" so that they can claim that there is freedom of speech in their own territories. Most lemmings (soccer players and supporters are of course braindead lemmings of the dumbest type) fall for that gross trick and sincerely believe that they live in a country with freedom of speech and some legitimate restrictions. That's the reason why Holohoax propagandists must repeat on and on that Holocaust revisionists are anti-Semitic deniers and racist agitators. Such a libel legitimizes their silencing and imprisonment, the brainwashed sheeple believe.

They have to claim that expressions of hate and disgust aren't covered by 'freedom of speech', but actually they are.
The thing is that there social design is of such a nature that it poses a risk for political stability... And that's why they suppress freedom of speech. It's pure interest into preserving their own positions of power.

[hermod]

They have to claim that expressions of hate and disgust aren't covered by 'freedom of speech', but actually they are.
The thing is that there social design is of such a nature that it poses a risk for political stability... And that's why they suppress freedom of speech. It's pure interest into preserving their own positions of power.

True, but most lemmings don't regard it that way and just accept the persecution of Holocaust revisionists and so-called haters.

[Hektor]

Lemmings...

--- As a rule, don't give a rats ass about 'freedom of speech' or legal principles that protect person, property and a free character of their society.
--- What they care about is that it's well with them. That means...: money to spend, foot on the table, good times with friends and lots of entertainment.
--- Essentially it is all about personal experience to them, when other people get jailed for saying 'something wrong' it's a side issue at best.

Taken there is a percentage of people in society that realizes that cultural and legal conditions are actually of importance to society as whole. They tend to be a minority, but usually they are a more influential minority than the rest of people (lemmings) given that their education or informedness is larger than average. The change agents knew this of course and that's why they engaged in Holocausting especially the more educated classes.

Now take the 'more educated folks' for a while:
* They usually have a college degree or more. Their work is also more advanced.
* They spend more time reading 'non-fiction' and consuming more advance cultural products. E.g. they prefer movies that have some story over affect-centered products.
* They debate social, cultural and political issues with their friends and family.
* They are more concerned about how their society is organized, what laws its have and what the conditions are.
* Given what they've been exposed to they probably also 'know' more about 'the Holocaust'.
* That means they have a thought terminating cliche. So even if they generally would object to infringing freedom of speech or jailing people for opinions, they may feel less inclined, when it is about 'the Holocaust'
* They are still 'humane' so they will look and listen what they peers seem to believe and this will influence their thinking and behaviour.


Bear in mind that given how mass media is organized and structured there is a perpetual bombardment with 'political issues'.
Still, when you talk to a more 'intellectually minded' person, they probably will listen to you pointing out that persecution of Revisionists is violating freedom of Speech.
They may respond in several ways:
* Admission that jailing Revisionists is violating freedom of speech and a sign that this government/society isn't as dedicated to freedom as it claims to be. (It's rarely that easy).
* Argue why persecuting Revisionists is 'necessary'. They will invoke 'human dignity of the victims' of 'preventing Neonazis from making inroads', etc.
* In such a case they will of course insist that "Holocaust Denial" is a "special kind of evil". Exceptional cases or events allow for exceptional measures.


But make no mistake, even if they are dismissive now, it does have some effect on them, when being confronted with the reality that Revisionists get tried and thrown into jail.
Round that off with:"First they came for the Holocaust Deniers". It's a pun on Niemoeller of course. Dedicated Holocaustians will recognise this, some of them get really mad at you, when you say this.

The thing remains that the Holocaust Myth must be smashed in their minds. Once that happens, there is no justification for jailing Revisionists anymore. The mind control will diminish that way. What remains is the 'social conventions' that turn around 'not denying the Holocaust'. If you can get them armed with arguments and they will discuss this in their social circles, you may indeed have achieved something. The choice of target must be right... The approach as well. Now one counterargument one hears is that the "educated 10%" are only a minority. Indeed they are, but one that influences others over a range of time including people of lower status. The other 90% will definitely a waste of time. They may not pose counterarguments that much, even pick up fire quickly, but their influence will be very limited. Their peers may not be interested and their low status prevents them from influencing others.