Holocaust conference soon in Tehran ?

[ASMarques]

More on the "Holocaust conference" in Iran. This is getting more interesting all the time.

Quoting from http://www.adnki.com/index_2Level.php?c ... 1760&par=0

IRAN: HOLOCAUST CONFERENCE SOON IN TEHRAN

Tehran, 5 Jan. (AKI) - Iran has decided to rewrite and revise the history of the Holocaust. Following the repeated declarations by the Iranian president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, and other senior government officials on the need to re-examine the history of the genocide of the Jews during the Second World War, the association of Islamic Journalists of Iran has been tasked with quickly putting together an international conference on the Holocaust.

"President Ahmadinejad has placed at the centre of international attention, a very important question on the truthfulness of the version that Europe and the Zionists have imposed on the world on the murder of Jews during the years of the great war, and therefore we are of the opinion that it is useful and necessary to organise an international conference on that theme, where all the historians and researchers, even those that do not believe in the official version, will be able to express themselves freely," Mehdi Afzali, spokesperson of the Association of Islamic Journalists told Adnkronos International (AKI).

"We want to offer a free and democratic platform to the historians to examine in-depth this myth, seeing that in different European countries there exist laws against democracy and freedom that to do not allow intellectuals who believe in a version distinct from that which is officially pronounced on the Holocaust," added Afzali.

"We will invite those who believe in the imposed version as well as all those who have spent years of their lives in the study of documents related to the Holocaust and have come to the conclusion that the history books in schools and universities do not correspond to the truth," said Afzali, who however refused to supply the names of the revisionist historians who have been contacted to appear in the conference in Tehran. Revisionists are those who deny that the Holocaust ever happened.

In Iran, books by the English historian, David Irving, currently in custody in an Austrian jail after having been accused of denying the Holocaust, are very popular.

Among the names of possible guests at the conference are the Israeli journalist lsrael Shamir, a convert to Christianity, and Horst Mahler from Germany, a former member of the the terrorist group, the Red Army Faction. Other revisionist scholars, such as the French Robert Faurisson and the American Arthur Butz, are also some of the other possible participants of the conference in Tehran.

(Rah/Aki)

[friedrich braun]

Good idea. However, what I find depressing is that such heavy hitters as:
Germar Rudolf, Siegfried Verbeke, Gaston-Armand Amaudruz, Guerter Decket, Hans Schmidt, Ernst Zundel, and David Irving are in jail and won't be able to attend.

Faurisson is the only big name that could actually show up.

BTW, who is the new up-and-coming light right now on the Revisionist horizon? I mean, who's the next Rudolf?

[Germania]

dont you find it worrying that religious fundamentalists are taking care of revisionism?

[Hannover]

Not at all.
Afterall, the 'holocau$t' story is in itself a religion. I curiously see no criticism of fundamentalist Jews who benefit mightily from the absurd & impossible '6,000,000 & gas chambers'.

If it takes the Iranians to push the snowball further down the hill, then so be it.

- Hannover

[Bergmann]

dont you find it worrying that religious fundamentalists are taking care of revisionism?

It is very sad indeed. Revisionists would love to have their next conference in Berlin, Germany, possibly next to the new Holocaust memorial in the center of the town, I am sure.
But there is the German thought police and the gag paragraph (Wuerge Paragraph) 130 which suppresses any public skeptical view of the Jewish Holocaust with jail terms of up to 5 years.
If caught the revisionists can't even defend themselves, the defending lawyer would make himself indictable too. See the case of Zuendel.
This is known in Germany as "creative judiciary".

Modern Germany prides itself as the freest Germany ever!

[Haldan]

So essentially the real question is this, do you not find it worrying that religious fundamentalists are taking care of the judicial system of Germany and other countries within the European sphere? That is what they are to be sure; religious fundamentalists. Imposing their discredited belief on others with the use of laws, thus rendering any discussion, research or doubt useless, as they would be sent to jail or financially ruined.

-haldan

[Bergmann]

[friedrich braun]

Bergmann:

Is that an authentic quote? If so, could you please give the source? Thanks.

Elie Wiesel: 'Things are not that simple, Rebbe. Some events do take place but are not true; others are - although they never occurred.'

[ASMarques]

dont you find it worrying that religious fundamentalists are taking care of revisionism?

Germania,

If that was the situation, i.e. if any religious fundamentalism "took care" of revisionism in the sense of not only giving it sanctuary, but adopting it and making it its own property in the exclusive way you seem to have in mind, yes, I would be very worried... for the religious fundamentalism, not for revisionism itself that will exist for as long as the human mind's search for the Truth will!

However, the strange exclusive symbiosis that you imply is very unlikely, because revisionism is a living method of historical inquiry completely opposed to "truth by decree" or ex-cathedra argument. Indeed the methods of "Holocaust revisionists" have a pedagogic value for any religious fundamentalists that may come in contact with them. Whether those fundamentalists will profit from them or not is their problem, but it's rather clear they will never be able to enlist rational thinking itself in defense of practical superstition.

You see, a different name for what, in the context of historical inquiry, we call "revisionism", is, when applied to the hard sciences, "the scientific method", i.e. the demonstration of hypotheses through a succession of observations and experimentations, subjected to, and constantly reassessed by, the exercise of critical reason. Even more generally, when applied to ordinary non-mystical elaborately coherent mental processes, the name becomes simply "rational thinking".

So, what you're asking is really akin to posing a question such as: "Don't you find it worrying that religious fundamentalists are taking care [in the original sense of protecting it and divulging it] of rational thinking?", and that would be a rather silly question.

Take the following excerpt from Paul Fromm's interview to the Iranian news agency Mehr:

From Paul Fromm's interview to Mehr:

"The holocaust" has become a religion. It’s a religion created by the Jews for non-Jews. Like many religions, it’s a means of controlling the believers. As a religion, the holocaust demands faith and belief. Its supporters shun rational discussion and debate. You must believe. To question is to be a heretic and heretics must be punished."

Don't you think exposure to this sort of thinking will have a positive value for Holocaust-peddling Iranians or Palestinians (*), as well as for Holocaust-peddling Jews or Germans?
____________

(*) Never underestimate the global power of naked superstition.

[Juan]

Great, now the likudniks at the pentagon can kill 2 "birds" with one bomb. And a "perfect excuse" in the eyes of "public opinion" (I mean, the opinion created by the corrupt press) for the attack on Iran.

[Hannover]

ASMarques,

Your response to Germania's question:

"dont you find it worrying that religious fundamentalists are taking care of revisionism?

was spot on, a keeper.

- Hannover

[friedrich braun]

It’s a religion created by the Jews for non-Jews.

I'd argue that it's a religion created for Jews and non-Jews alike. The creators not only want to psychologically control the Goyim but the Jews as well.

[Daniel Saez Lorente]

Good idea. However, what I find depressing is that such heavy hitters as:
Germar Rudolf, Siegfried Verbeke, Gaston-Armand Amaudruz, Guerter Decket, Hans Schmidt, Ernst Zundel, and David Irving are in jail and won't be able to attend.

Faurisson is the only big name that could actually show up.

BTW, who is the new up-and-coming light right now on the Revisionist horizon? I mean, who's the next Rudolf?

Guenther Deckert is in jail?

[Mortimer McMuddle]

ASMarques,

Your response to Germania's question:

"dont you find it worrying that religious fundamentalists are taking care of revisionism?

was spot on, a keeper.

- Hannover

Iran is not a country with freedom of speech. Any Revisionist conference there would fail for being seen as propaganda serving radical Islam. It would do more harm than good.

Assuming that Revisionists who are not wanted by authorities anywhere are even available for a conference now, any future Revisionist conferences should be held in the United States, which still has freedom of speech.

So far, these persons won't get kidnapped by the U.S. government to be sent to countries where they can be tried for Holocaust Denial. Obviously then, the participants can't overstay their visas if they do come to attend a conference, and they can't have extradition charges pending somewhere.

[Hannover]

Mortimer McMuddle said:

Iran is not a country with freedom of speech. Any Revisionist conference there would fail for being seen as propaganda serving radical Islam. It would do more harm than good.

Assuming that Revisionists who are not wanted by authorities anywhere are even available for a conference now, any future Revisionist conferences should be held in the United States, which still has freedom of speech.

So far, these persons won't get kidnapped by the U.S. government to be sent to countries where they can be tried for Holocaust Denial. Obviously then, the participants can't overstay their visas if they do come to attend a conference, and they can't have extradition charges pending somewhere.

I disagree heartily.

One has to assume the Iranians who will chair this conference already know about the work that has been done by Revisionists. Simply presenting it in a forum where the Muslim world is represented cannot help but expose the swindle.

All they have to do is inform the attendees of the work that has already been done. Imagine a session which went over The Rudolf Report. A session on the nonsense that was presented at Nuremberg. A session of the lunacy of 'eyewitness' allegations, on & on. The work has been done; making it known, making it available, discussing it, etc. will result in a Muslim world that has been made aware of arch enemy Zionism's most potent weapon in their assault upon Muslims.

I remind Mortimer McMuddle that the USA's IHR has held numerous conferences which dealt primarily with the ridiculous 'holocau$t'. Note that the IHR is constantly having to hide the locations of their conferences in the USA from the wacky & violent Zionists / Hillel / JDL / ADL types until the last moment. Iran will not have that problem.

The more talk there is about the 'holocau$t', the better. In Zionist dominated states like the US and Germany, judeo-supremacists already have things their way, there's nothing to lose from Iran having a conference. If there was we wouldn't be hearing the shrill, desperate attack upon Iran for labeling the myth a myth. If it truly hurt Revisionism then the countries opposing Iran's talk of the 'myth' would welcome the conference as a way discrediting Revisionism and Iran.

- Hannover