Arrogant Twitter user Wyatt would 'Debate Holocaust Deniers into the ground'

[Otium]

I was going about my business, when someone links a twitter thread to me from a few months ago. An uppity Twitter user has a thread (https://twitter.com/wyatt1116/status/1111057108043268097?s=12) 'debunking' Holocaust deniers! Never see this type before folks I'm sure. I've taken it upon myself to invite this person onto the forum to debate and see how they stand up.

I hope everyone will participate in the debate. If you look at the thread there isn't really much there, tired arguments using the supposed 'air photo evidence', the gas chamber cremation Himmler document from October 26th 1943 and of course, the bogus Hoess testimony. This person clearly hasn't heard of codoh or the Holocaust Handbooks (http://holocausthandbooks.com/) so I made a tweet letting them know of the existence of coherent revisionist material.

Here are some of the documents Twitter user Wyatt would have us believe debunk Holocaust Revisionism. Perhaps someone in the thread here could debunk them for us.

Krema 2 document.

Twitter user Wyatt typhus accusation.

Hmmm where have I seen this photograph before?

Finally! This random twitter user has let us know that the pitts in-fact do exist!! I've seen @Hannover ask for this evidence time and time again, perhaps Wyatt actually has it this time? Is it all over for Revisionism?

Holocaust deniers are just lazy! We have no evidence!

Even though Carlo Mattogno has uncovered more primary documents than any other Holocaust researcher, I guess he's just lazy?

From https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=12177&p=90632&hilit

Lastly, a "fun fact" is that more 60 of the citations in this index refer to documents in Carlo Mattogno's work. How odd that a guy who supposedly does nothing but tell lies for fun all day (as is apparently believed at HC) would earn such recognition as to be referenced so heavily in an index of Holocaust research. Maybe Revisionists can be respected historians, after all...

Another graphic. I remember making a post on this myself. https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=12399&p=91954#p91954

The ovens. I wonder if this has been debunked before?

2-5 bodies burning in one oven? Interesting....

See the first link to the entire thread. It's not much longer than these examples I posted here.

But it looks like we've been debunked boys. Time to pack it up.

But before that, I would like to invite this user to the forum to debate. But I think we all know how that will turn out, the confident Twitter user will not dare show their face on this forum. They trash talk revisionists so harshly, and are so certain of their victory and evidence yet what will happen? They'll refuse to come, they'll refuse debate and freeze like deer in headlights. They know they'd get obliterated on a forum like this but they're too 'brave' to say it. So, let's just sit back and wait for the shifting goal posts and excuses. I'll update this post if I get a reply with the inevitable answer.

[borjastick]

Air photo evidence proves the holocaust didn't happen.

His claim that simple math would show how many were killed and cremated deliberately misses the point that there couldn't have been that many cremations in the time.

Ah the old vergasungskeller argument been busted here a million times.

'typhus wasn't that big...' what an idiot. Typhus was a massive threat and an even bigger killer. All measures were taken to limit the disease outbreaks and yet still it killed tens of thousands in Auschwitz alone. Perhaps some can supply the exact numbers please.

People like this bozo think they can bully and convince newbies of their truth but when up against a panel of experts as here they soon shrivel on the vine.

[Otium]

Ah the old vergasungskeller argument been busted here a million times.

If you have anything in specific in mind, could you post it?

I looked up Vergasungskeller and found this 1996 short introduction to revisionism article by Arthur Butz. I'm sure it's been posted before, but it's relevant to this thread.

https://codoh.com/library/document/1026/ He says

In 1992 I showed that there were many ways "Vergasung" can come up in sewage treatment technology, and offered that the Vergasungskeller might be found in the sewage treatment plant next to the crematorium. However I favored the interpretation that the Vergasungskeller was simply a facility for generating fuel gas for the camp.[7] NO-4473 suggests, but does not require, that the Vergasungskeller was located within the crematorium building.

The purpose of this note is to offer another interpretation which I now believe is more plausible than any earlier offered by me or anybody else. Before I do that I should remark that the problem here is what the Vergasungskeller was, not whether it was a homicidal gas chamber. Those who claim it was a homicidal gas chamber focus their attention entirely on that one word in the document. If they would instead focus on what the document says, they would realize that it is impossible to make that interpretation work. The document shows that in January 1943 the Germans were in a great rush to use the building as an ordinary crematorium.

As Faurisson discussed earlier,[8] during World War II the combatants paid great heed that new structures be considered, if possible, as air raid shelters. There were two principal dangers that such shelters were to provide protection against: bombs and gas attacks. On account of World War I experiences, the possibilities of the latter were taken very seriously. Indeed many simply assumed that gas would be used, despite treaties outlawing its use. Typically, a gas shelter was conceived of as a bomb shelter, preferably underground and very strong structurally, with some features added to make it secure against gas; a gas shelter had to be gas tight but allow people to breathe. Since in many cases it was not economic to provide such structures for at most only occasional use, it was recognized that such shelters could exist in the form of embellishments to structures that exist for other purposes. However the number of suitable such structures was limited. For example, the typical underground cellar belongs to a building with several stories; the collapse of these in an air raid could prevent people from leaving the cellar.

Typical, the Twitter warrior interprets it in the same way without skepticism or any deeper knowledge.

'typhus wasn't that big...' what an idiot. Typhus was a massive threat and an even bigger killer. All measures were taken to limit the disease outbreaks and yet still it killed tens of thousands in Auschwitz alone. Perhaps some can supply the exact numbers please.

I would like to see these numbers too. Even more detail on Typhus in the camps.

I've never heard of someone actually suggesting typhus wasn't ever a threat, or at least not a big one.

Air photo evidence proves the holocaust didn't happen.

I tweeted this person the pdf copy of 'Air Photo Evidence'. Hopefully it can enlighten them.

His claim that simple math would show how many were killed and cremated deliberately misses the point that there couldn't have been that many cremations in the time.

Hopefully we can get some posts on this thread about this too.

I think the issue here is that these people who push the mainstream narrative aren't aware of the immense amount of revisionist material. They think revisionism is just weird graphics from 12 years ago when in actuality there's a base and tons of research into it. Unlike revisionists who're forced to read about both sides, even when simply reading revisionist material, we end up having a fuller understanding, a more nuanced understanding and skepticisms towards evidence. This is a huge fault these people have. They're fighting strawman, and don't care about the actual arguments being made.

[Lamprecht]

People use documents all the time thinking they prove something sinister, when they do not. I guess just posting graphic after graphic as they get demolished 1-by-1 is a form of "debate" for these people.

Some of these are from your other thread: viewtopic.php?t=12399

If a document has not been handled yet, just make another thread on it


Handled here:
viewtopic.php?t=5647&start=15#p37641



Handled here:
viewtopic.php?t=10214



Yes of course, even if the photo is 100% genuine it doesn't prove the "Deniers" wrong, as they claim 10s of thousands of deaths at Auschwitz



This document is discussed here:
The Ovens in the Camps are Incinerators Now
viewtopic.php?t=7842


As for "Documents" all of the documents on the 'Final Solution' defined it as deportation/resettlement and not extermination:

War-time German documents & writings mentioning the "Final Solution"
viewtopic.php?t=12296

I would like to see these numbers too. Even more detail on Typhus in the camps.

Check:
SS Officer Karl von Eberstein on the conditions of the camps / Piles of bodies & Emaciated Corpses
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=12624

Also the "Known death rates" thread link posted the thread

[Lamprecht]

I will also suggest, if another one of these graphics is brought up, to make a post in the thread you created before, with the document embedded + links/quotes that address its contents:

Exterminationist Holocaust Graphics Circling Online
viewtopic.php?t=12399

This will make it all easier because I have also seen these "debunking" images thrown around quite often

[borjastick]

Off the top of my head I think there were two main typhus outbreaks in Auschwitz. Together I recall a number of about 40,000 deaths. I think Kingfisher who sometimes inhabits this parish and Astro 3 in their website detail it all. Perhaps one of them could weigh in on this matter please. Certainly there was a memo from Himmler instructing that utmost measures should be put in place to stop these outbreaks.

[Lamprecht]

The "excessive Zyclon-B supply" argument is discredited by exterminationist Jean-Claude Pressac's statement in page 15 of his book:
"During the trials that were held after the war, the tons of Zyklon-B ordered by the camps were attributed to homicidal use without any verification. By far the greater part (over 95 percent) was destined for delousing (effects and buildings) while only a very small part (less than 5 percent) had been used for homicidal gassings." (Source: https://archive.is/InPCM#selection-333.685-333.1017)

[Moderator]

I'll let stand what we have now, but in the future please create threads for each 'document' / topic mentioned in the OP. Otherwise it will be difficult to follow.
Thanks, M1

[borjastick]

So here's some info on the severity of typhus which despite what the twitter holocaust oracle has said was indeed quite a thing...

All from the excellent website whatreallyhappened.info http://www.whatreallyhappened.info/numbers.html

In the terrible month of August 1942, thirty percent of the Auschwitz male camp population died. A year later, that catastrophic level had been successfully reduced to only one-tenth as much: so that a mere 3% of the camp died in August 1943. It will here be argued that that initial mortality was caused by typhus hitting the camp – to a degree far worse than any other German labour-camp – and that the subsequent drop was due to a successful implementation of hygiene technology and so-called ‘special treatment’ protocols.

Then Himmler intervened with this little dictate which is exactly what you would do in a camp designed solely to kill every jew that came through its doors.

December 16, 1942: “Efforts absolutely must be taken to reduce the death rate in the concentration camps by improving the nutrition and, whenever possible and necessary, the working conditions. The camp commandants are to be held personally responsible for this." – SS Chief Himmler

[wyatt]

Had a very well written post deleted by a moderator. Will not be jumping through various hoops to debate you gentlemen. Sorry.

[Moderator]

Had a very well written post deleted by a moderator. Will not be jumping through various hoops to debate you gentlemen. Sorry.

Per my note in this thread and my note directly to you, you need to start a thread on each topic / 'document' mentioned in the OP.
Otherwise the thread become difficult to follow, especially for the newer readers.

You can reference those new threads in this thread, no problem.

Please be honest when discussing your "deletion".
M1

[Lamprecht]

I would like to see the post.

[Moderator]

Lamprecht:

I would like to see the post.

You will if Wyatt starts a new thread, per my note.
I sent him notes of explanation, and am curious as to why he's afraid to start a new thread.
After all, he agreed to the guidelines which clearly state separate threads per topic
M1

[Otium]

Lamprecht:

I would like to see the post.

You will if Wyatt starts a new thread, per my note.
I sent him notes of explanation, and am curious as to why he's afraid to start a new thread.
After all, he agreed to the guidelines which clearly state separate threads per topic
M1

Perhaps you can send his post back to him so he can edit it to suit another thread?

[Stephen Cohen]

Had a very well written post deleted by a moderator. Will not be jumping through various hoops to debate you gentlemen. Sorry.

Wyatt, I see that The Holocaust Archaeology Hoax website has a new challenge, and thought that you might be interested in learning about it:

Additionally, and independent of the $100,000.00 Holocaust Archaeology Hoax Challenge, a $100.00 reward is being offered for each one of the 100 alleged graves / cremation pits in question that is proven - with the same standard of proof applied in U. S. civil courts - to actually exist and to currently contain the remains of - at least 2 people.

To begin the incredibly easy process of laying claim to each reward and to set all requisite rules:

First - Potential claimants must submit their answers to the following:

Ten Simple Questions (See contact information below.)

Second - Potential claimants must then request and confirm receipt of the official rules.

Third - Potential claimants must then submit their alleged preponderance of scientific evidence directly to Greg Gerdes for his endorsement.

Note: Potential claimants may be required to post their submittal on an approved website - and successfully defend it. In such cases, they must also - publicly pledge to sue Mr. Gerdes in a U.S. civil court - (sans a jury and both sides pro se legal representation) if they refuse to accept a negative ruling.

Also note: Eligible potential claimants for both the $100,000.00 and $10,000.00 reward offers will be allowed to personally examine the proof that the ways and means to make good on their promised reward payment truly exists - and if they so choose, have said proven remittance amount be entrusted to an escrow agent.

http://nafcash.com/

Wyatt, if you really can "Debate Holocaust Deniers into the ground," then why not debate Mr. Gerdes in;to the ground and earn thousands of dollars in the process?

All you have to do begin the incredibly easy process of laying claim to the cash rewards is to answer these ten simple questions:

https://vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=228 ... count=2831

Your not afraid to attempt to prove your boast, are you Wyatt?