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Re: Another Treblinka "Archaeologist"? William Mitchell claims to have "vital evidence to prove the deniers wrong"

Postby Otium » 2 years 5 months ago (Sat Dec 12, 2020 9:18 pm)

Moderator wrote:
NFrNJ wrote:to the mods, if you don't want a discussion of the concepts, or questions asked about the claims of deniers, why has this place got the words "open debate" in the title?

I wrote a well argues analysis of the arguments being put forward. you are censoring me for not joining in the echo chamber and asking hard questions of the moronic crowd

"Censorship" not. You're dodging challenges and cannot keep posting in threads where you've been challenged on what YOU claim, as my note to you states. Besides that, your childish off topic responses seemed desperately shrill & riddled with ad hominem. That's on you.
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note to NFrNJ / challenges to your claims of massive human remains
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=13699
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Did you send him back his post so he can re-post it as a thread? I would like to see what he claims is a "well argued analysis".

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Re: Another Treblinka "Archaeologist"? William Mitchell claims to have "vital evidence to prove the deniers wrong"

Postby Otium » 2 years 5 months ago (Sat Dec 12, 2020 9:40 pm)

NFrNJ wrote:this comment also suggests you do not understand how archaeologists work. Why are you surprised he told you this? (why do you say "admitted" - he was not accused of anything. that is prejudicial language, suggestive of your distrust, not of his ill doing.)


Are you seriously suggesting that you KNOW archaeologists take bones from other sites and chuck them all into one pit? And this is how they "work"? Are you seriously saying that you KNEW this was done by looking looking at the pictures?

NFrNJ wrote:You took a slide out of context, not knowing what it showed. He told you what it showed, because you were saying things that you had just made up about it, and not telling the truth. He corrected you, told you the truth. A truth he has not (as far as you can prove) concealed. He has not(to my knowledge, and you have not shown that he has) ever lied about it.


And what exactly was the "context"? And how did Lamprecht take it "out" of that context? How would this manipulation of physical evidence look any better with whatever "context" accompanies it according to you? Since you apparently know something about the context that we do not. Are you presuming the slide "showed" that the bones had been taken from around the camp and thrown into one pit to make it look larger? Whether this was admitted in an email or in a slide show presentation doesn't change the fact that such a practise is unorthodox and disreputable. Or perhaps archeologists are always accompanied by Rabbis who tell them how to do their job, and where to place archaeological artefacts? I hardly see how Lamprecht took anything "out of context" or how any kind of "context" could make this look any less dishonest on part of these Holocaust hucksters.

NFrNJ wrote:So if anyone is making an admission here it is you - admitting you used it out of context, assumed untrue things, probably spread misinformation without telling people you had no idea what the photo actually showed, and that it was you that was not doing due diligence and proper research.

Pretending that he was telling lies when it was just you assuming things is a pretty poor show.


What "untrue things" did Lamprecht assume? And about what did he assume? Your entire post was about Lamprecht "assuming" the motives, or actions of the researchers - not anything about the evidence itself.

If as you say NFrNJ that what the photo showed was exactly what you'd expect the "context" of the researchers to explain (that the bones in the photo were from multiple excavations moved into one pit), then all it showed was what Lamprecht later confirmed by posting the email response of the researchers. He did in fact do his "due diligence" and engage in proper research posting what the researchers had to say about what the photo showed, thus never spreading misinformation about the photo itself, or what the researchers claimed the photo showed. He told us exactly what they said, and criticized their dubious work ethic in having manipulated the physical evidence to make a mass grave look larger than it was in reality.

Your claim that Lamprecht was spreading misinformation, or "assuming" anything, is a baseless lie or genuine misunderstanding.

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Re: Another Treblinka "Archaeologist"? William Mitchell claims to have "vital evidence to prove the deniers wrong"

Postby Lamprecht » 2 years 5 months ago (Sat Dec 12, 2020 9:57 pm)

Discussion about a specific photograph from Sobibor should probably go in the thread created for it:

Photos of mass graves with burnt remains claimed to be from Yoram Haimi's digs at Sobibor
viewtopic.php?t=12806

Hopefully, one day the "vital evidence" of huge mass graves at Treblinka will be presented to the world, and then posted here.
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NOTE: I am taking a leave of absence from revisionism to focus on other things. At this point, the ball is in their court to show the alleged massive pits full of human remains at the so-called "extermination camps." After 8 decades they still refuse to do this. I wonder why...

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Re: Another Treblinka "Archaeologist"? William Mitchell claims to have "vital evidence to prove the deniers wrong"

Postby Moderator » 2 years 5 months ago (Sun Dec 13, 2020 2:43 pm)

NFrNJ:
Reminder,
No response to challenges, no posts in the threads where you are challenged.
If you have something new to say, you are free to start a new thread and discuss it.

from our guidelines at: viewtopic.php?f=4&t=358 :
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Re: Another Treblinka "Archaeologist"? William Mitchell claims to have "vital evidence to prove the deniers wrong"

Postby NFrNJ » 2 years 5 months ago (Sun Dec 13, 2020 3:11 pm)

Moderator wrote:NFrNJ:
Reminder,
No response to challenges, no posts in the threads where you are challenged.
If you have something new to say, you are free to start a new thread and discuss it.

from our guidelines at: viewtopic.php?f=4&t=358 :
No 'dodging'. When questioned or challenged on claims, or assertions you make in a thread you must respond directly / specifically by providing the information requested in the challenge or you must leave the topic.
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the information requested does not exist.

you tell me how to respond.

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Re: Another Treblinka "Archaeologist"? William Mitchell claims to have "vital evidence to prove the deniers wrong"

Postby Hannover » 2 years 5 months ago (Sun Dec 13, 2020 5:10 pm)

NFrNJ wrote:
Moderator wrote:NFrNJ:
Reminder,
No response to challenges, no posts in the threads where you are challenged.
If you have something new to say, you are free to start a new thread and discuss it.

from our guidelines at: viewtopic.php?f=4&t=358 :
No 'dodging'. When questioned or challenged on claims, or assertions you make in a thread you must respond directly / specifically by providing the information requested in the challenge or you must leave the topic.
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the information requested does not exist.

you tell me how to respond.

But that is not what "holocaust historians" & True Believers say.

They say that immense 'holocausted' human remains exist in very well known locations.

You are now admitting that the narrative that is forced down everyone's throat 24/7/365 is bogus.

I personally suggest that you give it up and stop trying to defend what is clearly propaganda, what clearly does not hold up to rational, scientific, & logical scrutiny.

Welcome to Revisionism, truth is liberating.

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Re: Another Treblinka "Archaeologist"? William Mitchell claims to have "vital evidence to prove the deniers wrong"

Postby Wachtman » 2 years 5 months ago (Mon Dec 14, 2020 6:27 am)

In my opinion, any grave site should immediately become a police investigation, then the government would be obliged to detail what they find forensically, both the likely victims and the timeline, and no rabbi has the right to give opinion on the burial site or exhumations until the race of the victims is positively identified beyond a shadow of a doubt.

You would think the Polish Government would be more honest to their own people on this, having been basically occupied by Soviets twice, in 1939-1940, then from 1944-1989, plus whatever may have happened pre 1917.

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Re: Another Treblinka "Archaeologist"? William Mitchell claims to have "vital evidence to prove the deniers wrong"

Postby borjastick » 2 years 5 months ago (Mon Dec 14, 2020 7:46 am)

Wachtman wrote:In my opinion, any grave site should immediately become a police investigation, then the government would be obliged to detail what they find forensically, both the likely victims and the timeline, and no rabbi has the right to give opinion on the burial site or exhumations until the race of the victims is positively identified beyond a shadow of a doubt.

You would think the Polish Government would be more honest to their own people on this, having been basically occupied by Soviets twice, in 1939-1940, then from 1944-1989, plus whatever may have happened pre 1917.


I agree in fact I would further that no rabbi should have any influence whatsoever on the investigation of a claimed crime. Least of all a crime as claimed in Treblinka. But the Poles were worried, and indeed still are, about claims they were culpable in the holocaust. I think they felt it best to just sweep it under the carpet as best they could by blaming the Germans left right and centre and accepting the 6m claims rather than asking some basic Policing questions like 'show me the bodies'.
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Re: Another Treblinka "Archaeologist"? William Mitchell claims to have "vital evidence to prove the deniers wrong"

Postby Clay » 2 years 5 months ago (Tue Dec 15, 2020 9:26 am)

NFrNJ wrote:
you tell me how to respond.


You need to be told how to respond to simple questions?

How about with simple, honest answers?

Perhaps the simple yes or no / true or false questions that have been posed to you are too hard for you to understand?

Since Treblinka is the main focus in this thread, I'll simplify the questions that you have to date refused to answer:


A: Is it - True. - or - False. - that; it has been alleged in orthodox historiography and/or the media that huge pits were dug and utilized as mass graves at Treblinka II - _?_

B: Is it - True. - or - False. - that; it has been conclusively proven - with 100% certainty - that huge pits were actually dug and utilized as mass graves at Treblinka II - _?_

C: Is it - True. - or - False. - that; it has been alleged in orthodox historiography and/or the media that mass graves have been discovered by archaeologists / forensic investigators at Treblinka II - _?_

D: Is it - True. - or - False. - that; it can be conclusively proven - with 100% certainty - that mass graves have actually been discovered by archaeologists / forensic investigators at Treblinka II - _?_

E: Can you conclusively prove - with 100% certainty - that archaeologists / forensic investigators have actually located / proven the existence of mass graves at Treblinka II - Yes. - or - No. - _?_

* * * * *

#1 - List all of the Treblinka II graves / cremation pits in question that you can prove actually exist and currently contain at least an iota of human remains: __?__.

#2 - List all of the Treblinka II graves / cremation pits in question that you can prove currently contain the remains of at least 2 human beings: __?__.

#3 - List all of the Treblinka II graves / cremation pits in question that you can prove currently contain the remains of more than 6 human beings: __?__.

#4 - List all of the Treblinka II graves / cremation pits in question that you can prove currently contain the remains of at least 21 human beings: __?__.

#5 - Of the 15 alleged Treblinka II graves / cremation pits in question - the one that you can prove currently contains the most human remains - is number: __?__.


All of the information that you need to answer the simple questions can be found here:

http://www.thisisaboutscience.com/

And more specifically here:

https://vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=2293686&postcount=2843

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Re: Another Treblinka "Archaeologist"? William Mitchell claims to have "vital evidence to prove the deniers wrong"

Postby Moderator » 2 years 5 months ago (Tue Dec 15, 2020 12:34 pm)

Clay:
NFrNJ is finished with this thread unless he shows the massive human remains he claims exist and has been challenged to show.
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Re: Another Treblinka "Archaeologist"? William Mitchell claims to have "vital evidence to prove the deniers wrong"

Postby Lamprecht » 2 years 5 months ago (Tue Dec 15, 2020 2:46 pm)

Moderator wrote:Clay:
NFrNJ is finished with this thread unless he shows the massive human remains he claims exist and has been challenged to show.
Thanks, M1

If he manages to contact Mitchell I would ask if you could let him post whatever Mitchell emails back. Like I said before, I tried multiple times and received no response. Mitchell's alleged evidence is still perfectly on topic.
Anyone else can try as well
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Re: Another Treblinka "Archaeologist"? William Mitchell claims to have "vital evidence to prove the deniers wrong"

Postby Moderator » 2 years 5 months ago (Tue Dec 15, 2020 5:22 pm)

Lamprecht wrote:
Moderator wrote:Clay:
NFrNJ is finished with this thread unless he shows the massive human remains he claims exist and has been challenged to show.
Thanks, M1

If he manages to contact Mitchell I would ask if you could let him post whatever Mitchell emails back. Like I said before, I tried multiple times and received no response. Mitchell's alleged evidence is still perfectly on topic.
Anyone else can try as well

Absolutely no problem.
My note to Clay concerns his addressing NFrNJ, nothing more.
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