Postby carlo_ch » 8 years 10 months ago (Wed Aug 06, 2014 8:23 am)
Regarding a possible "open letter" to Putin: you may have seen the current online petition of Italian academics who demand a "Nuremberg-like trial for Israel over Gaza". The petition was initially startet by http://www.historiamagistra.it, a cultural history magazine. The petition is being covered by several media outlets, notably Russian RT, Iranian PressTV, and Israeli Haaretz...
PS: Graf/Kues/Mattogno in their 2010 book on Sobibor (p. 374):
"We believe that our hypothesis [that Stalin retained evacuated Jews in the USSR after the war and deported them to Siberia] is the only one to explain the facts in a convincing way. A decision on its validity, however, will have to wait for the opening of the Russian archives – if that should ever occur. For the time being, though, it seems that this will not take place in the near future."
Postby Hannover » 8 years 10 months ago (Wed Aug 06, 2014 8:58 am)
Carlo:
So in theory, "Evakuation" did not mean extermination, yet in practice it often did and for some perhaps even should mean a death sentence for many Jews, albeit not by murder (neither gas nor bullets).
Yet, no one, and I mean no one has produced the alleged mass graves even though they supposedly know exactly where they are AND they have actually searched for these alleged mass graves. Not just Sturdy-Colls , but people like A. Kola. IOW, there have been searches for these claimed mass graves, but to no avail. Did some people die? Of course, people die wherever they are. It would be normal that areas in which people were gathered in a wide variety of numbers would incur deaths, just like in every town, small or large. In fact, lack of deaths would be next to impossible. Deaths are to be expected, nothing sinister about that basic fact.
borjastick's previous post has a lot going for it. And BIROBIDJAN! indeed.
carlo_ch wrote:Regarding a possible "open letter" to Putin: you may have seen the current online petition of Italian academics who demand a "Nuremberg-like trial for Israel over Gaza". The petition was initially startet by http://www.historiamagistra.it, a cultural history magazine. The petition is being covered by several media outlets, notably Russian RT, Iranian PressTV, and Israeli Haaretz...
PS: Graf/Kues/Mattogno in their 2010 book on Sobibor (p. 374):
"We believe that our hypothesis [that Stalin retained evacuated Jews in the USSR after the war and deported them to Siberia] is the only one to explain the facts in a convincing way. A decision on its validity, however, will have to wait for the opening of the Russian archives – if that should ever occur. For the time being, though, it seems that this will not take place in the near future."
Given that the Nuremberg Show Trials were sham procedures, any "Nuremberg-like trial" is not the way to go. There is plenty of proof of Israeli war crimes without stooping to the level of the Nuremberg farce.
In lieu of the fact that Russia bans scrutiny of the 'holocaust' storyline means the chances of getting access to their archives is next to nil, which indeed says something about the complete fraudulence of the 'holocaust' storyline. Also Carlo, the onus is upon the accusers to prove their case, that's how legitimate jurisprudence works. Certainly it is not up to Revisionists to disprove what has never been proven. In fact the vast numbers of Jews after the war is quite convincing that they were not 'exterminated' as is alleged.
Postby hermod » 8 years 10 months ago (Wed Aug 06, 2014 9:41 am)
carlo_ch wrote:What happened to the evacuated Jews during and after the war? Solution: Professional excavation (as at any other site of mass murder) and opening of all the relevant Sovjet archives
Except for the Reinhardt camps, one should always keep in mind that there are mass graves in Eastern Europe anyway before stating "I've found a Nazi mass grave!" if/when some are found in the future. Large epidemics, the Holodomor, Soviet executions, executions of "Partisans" & several ultra-violent wars certainly left mass graves in those areas. That's why I think that excavations should be focussed on the areas of the former Reinhardt camps, where the identity of the perpetrators or alleged perpetrators is not discussed (no Soviet execution sites there as far as I know).
As far as documents in Soviet archives are concerned, I don't expect many great discoveries from there, the Soviets having probably destroyed a large part of the captured Nazi documents a long time ago. But who knows?
"[Austen Chamberlain] has done western civilization a great service by refuting at least one of the slanders against the Germans because a civilization which leaves war lies unchallenged in an atmosphere of hatred and does not produce courage in its leaders to refute them is doomed. " Deutsche Allgemeine Zeitung, on the public admission by Britain's Foreign Secretary that the WWI corpse-factory story was false, December 4, 1925
Postby Hannover » 8 years 10 months ago (Wed Aug 06, 2014 9:56 am)
It's quite reasonable to assume that Jews had / have access to the Russian archives, think Arolsen Archives where only 'approved' individuals are allowed. If there was anything at all which supported their wishful thinking we would have seen it long ago.
Opponents of 'holocaust' Revisionism have access to everything yet cannot prove their claims.
The 'holocaust' storyline is one of the most easily debunked narratives ever contrived. That is why those who question it are arrested and persecuted. That is why violent, racist, & privileged Jewish supremacists demand censorship. Truth needs no protection from scrutiny.
Postby hermod » 8 years 10 months ago (Wed Aug 06, 2014 10:32 am)
carlo_ch wrote:PS: My current conclusion concerning the process and term of "evacuation" is this: it probably wasn't a "codeword" for extermination, yet NS leaders were aware that many Jews would die in the process (due to exhaustion, malnutrition etc. while working at the front or in Belarussian swamps). To a certain extent, at least some of the NS leaders accepted or even intended this (some legal systems would probably describe this as "conditional intent / dolus eventualis / Eventualvorsatz", i.e. a "so what if they die" attitude. This is stronger than a negligent act, but weaker than a premediated act.)
This would explain why e.g. Goebbels (diary) and Himmler (Posen speech) basically equated "Evakuation" with "Ausrottung", even "Liquidation" (Goebbels). They justified this approach by "Hitler's prophecy" (that Jews would be punished if they start another world war, see his speech of January 30, 1939, as well as his testament) and by stating that "if we don't eliminate them, they would eliminate us (as partisans etc.)".
So in theory, "Evakuation" did not mean extermination, yet in practice it often did and for some perhaps even should mean a death sentence for many Jews, albeit not by murder (neither gas nor bullets).
When you read the parts dealing with the Jews in Goebbels' diaries, especially the parts written after the 'incriminating' quotes, you can clearly see that Goebbels wished the physical liquidation of Europe's Jews (http://codoh.com/library/series/3110/). He was talking about something that he wished, not about something that was taking place. He even deplored that the Jews were only evacuated, not killed as he wished. Goebbels' extreme antisemitism is nothing new. Not a big deal. Anyway, the conquered Eastern territories and alleged death camps were not part of Goebbels' job. His job was to make propaganda (Minister of Propaganda) and administer Berlin (Gauleiter of Berlin).
When you translate "ausrottung" by "elimination", Himmler's Posen speech is pretty inocuous (assuming Himmler's Posen speech is not partly a forgery).
And Hitler's speech of January 30, 1939 is systematically cut when quoted (see the video and the sentence in red below) because the following sentences patently demonstrated that Hitler didn't mean mass murder when he talked about "the annihilation of the Jewish race in Europe" on that day and when he subsequently referred to that prophecy on numerous occasions.
Nuremberg farcical 'evidence':
And there is yet one more topic on which I would like to speak on this day, perhaps not only memorable for us Germans: I have been a prophet very often in my lifetime, and this earned me mostly ridicule. In the time of my struggle for power, it was primarily the Jewish people who mocked my prophecy that, one day, I would assume leadership of this Germany, of this State, and of the entire Volk, and that I would press for a resolution of the Jewish question, among many other problems. The resounding laughter of the Jews in Germany then may well be stuck in their throats today, I suspect.
Once again I will be a prophet: should the international Jewry of finance (Finanzjudentum) succeed, both within and beyond Europe, in plunging mankind into yet another world war, then the result will not be a Bolshevization of the earth and the victory of Jewry, but the annihilation (Vernichtung) of the Jewish race in Europe.Thus, the days of propagandist impotence of the non-Jewish peoples are over.
National Socialist Germany and Fascist Italy possess institutions which, if necessary, permit opening the eyes of the world to the true nature of this problem.
Many a people is instinctively aware of this, albeit not scientifically versed in it.
At this moment, the Jews are still propagating their campaign of hatred in certain states under the cover of press, film, radio, theater, and literature, which are all in their hands. Should indeed this one Volk attain its goal of prodding masses of millions from other peoples to enter into a war devoid of all sense for them, and serving the interests of the Jews exclusively, then the effectiveness of an enlightenment will once more display its might. Within Germany, this enlightenment conquered Jewry utterly in the span of a few years.
Peoples desire not to perish on the battlefield just so that this rootless, internationalist race can profit financially from this war and thereby gratify its lust for vengeance derived from the Old Testament. The Jewish watchword “Proletarians of the world, unite!” will be conquered by a far more lofty realization, namely: “Creative men of all nations, recognize your common foe!”
Knowing this, one has to be a first class crook to say that Hitler was talking about a genocidal policy when he warned of "the annihilation of the Jewish race in Europe" if there was another world war against Germany in the future.
Hitler was talking about crushing the Jewish power on a continetal scale through propaganda/education as what had been done in Germany during the previous years. "Enlightenment" meant propaganda/education. The German agency dealing with propaganda at that time was called "Reichs Ministry of Public Enlightenment and Propaganda (Reichsministerium für Volksaufklärung und Propaganda, RMVP).
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"[Austen Chamberlain] has done western civilization a great service by refuting at least one of the slanders against the Germans because a civilization which leaves war lies unchallenged in an atmosphere of hatred and does not produce courage in its leaders to refute them is doomed. " Deutsche Allgemeine Zeitung, on the public admission by Britain's Foreign Secretary that the WWI corpse-factory story was false, December 4, 1925
Postby carlo_ch » 8 years 10 months ago (Wed Aug 06, 2014 11:49 am)
Many thanks Hannover and Hermod for your detailed replies and interesting links. The Jewish News Archive pieces on Sowjet evacuations of Jews to Uzbekistan and other regions are fascinating indeed (http://winstonsmithministryoftruth.blog ... 379a20e63f)
Postby Inquisitor » 8 years 10 months ago (Thu Aug 07, 2014 4:59 am)
Hannover wrote:It's quite reasonable to assume that Jews had / have access to the Russian archives, think Arolsen Archives where only 'approved' individuals are allowed. If there was anything at all which supported their wishful thinking we would have seen it long ago.
Opponents of 'holocaust' Revisionism have access to everything yet cannot prove their claims.
The 'holocaust' storyline is one of the most easily debunked narratives ever contrived. That is why those who question it are arrested and persecuted. That is why violent, racist, & privileged Jewish supremacists demand censorship. Truth needs no protection from scrutiny.
- Hannover
Exactly! The whole Caroline Sturdy-Colls farce is proof that they still desperately want to officially/technically prove Revisionism wrong, despite the transparently deceitful claims by many exterminationists that Revisionists should just be "ignored" or the like and not challenged at all. But they failed spectacularly again! They want real proof so badly they can taste it - but thus far, each effort (ala Sturdy-Colls) only adds more fuel to the Revisionist fire. And why is that? Because they are chasing moldy old propaganda, twisted fantasies, and mendacities of every conceivable stripe!
"Believe me, I came into Auschwitz in a much worse condition than I actually left it." - Kitty Hart-Moxon, Jewish Holocaust Survivor (June 1998 testimony, USC Shoah Foundation, Visual History Archive. Part 2 - YouTube - 1:21:42)
Postby Eric Hunt » 8 years 9 months ago (Mon Aug 11, 2014 5:17 pm)
What will his response be?
Name-calling? Character assassination?
He refuses to debate on Ry Dawson's show.
Many people have been asking to have us on their radio shows together in the past.
David Cole refuses to debate. It's safer to call me a liar and refer to my past in snarky third person Facebook posts.
Dawson would be a great moderator. It's no surprise he doesn't want to debate. I mean, look at the Revisionist case ----
David Cole wants to sell misidentified delousing stations as "homicidal gas chambers disguised as shower rooms" at Treblinka but not Majdanek or Auschwitz! No sir...
Postby Werd » 8 years 9 months ago (Mon Aug 11, 2014 10:52 pm)
Quoted for posterity.
Ry Dawson Yesterday at 12:56 ·
Japan time Monday night Vinny Eastwood show. Same night Eric Hunt returns reacting to David Cole Stein's book. Professionally not hostilely. Next Pepe Escobar on Iraq Tuesday night and the WRH show 4-7am Wednesday. then Peter Lavelle Thursday or Friday, I'm currently working that out, on the media coverage of Ukraine. Next week an Israeli apologist and I will debate. Followed by Jason Eckhardt discussing identity politics of the left and right. Possibly Gilad Atzmon will also return I'm waiting on the mail same for Norman Finkelstein.
Tommy Pickett Maybe one day, a Cole stein/Hunt show?! A man can dream. Yesterday at 20:41 · 1
Ry Dawson Maybe 20 hrs
David Cole Stein Nope! No offense to you, Ry. You know I love ya. But Hunt? Nope. It's taken me a sonofabitchin week to find the time to reply to Hunt. If I can stay awake for another hour, I should be able to post it tomorrow some time. 20 hrs · 1
Vinny Eastwood Which hunt? not Mike Hunt I hope? 15 hrs
David Cole Stein No, it's his British cousin York Hunt. 11 hrs · 2
Neil Hiatt Looking forward to the Hunt interview, and very much looking forward to Davids reply. 7 hrs · 1
Neil Hiatt What I hope for is respectful debate, as this is what is needed to iron things out to get to the truth. I welcome this kind of discussion, and have very little time for school yard antics. I have listened to a number of interviews where they blast you for some of the things you have said David, or the way you say them (but they are guilty aswell (although Eric has taken a better stance than the others)). And you may very well mean them, I don't know. But, what they don't realise is what you have been going through lately family wise, and this effects things to a great deal. I tend to look beyond this aspect, and only deal in the bare bones of the matter. I hope this makes sense. 6hrs
Postby Dresden » 8 years 9 months ago (Tue Aug 12, 2014 12:13 am)
Werd said:
"Cute isn't it, folks?"
Yeah, real cute.
Vinny Eastwood: "Which hunt? not Mike Hunt(my cunt) I hope"
David Cole Stein: "No, it's his British cousin York Hunt(your cunt)"
Lotta class there, David and Vinny!
Maybe, just maybe, they believe what they are telling you about the 'holocaust', but maybe, just maybe, their contempt for your intelligence and your character is beyond anything you could ever have imagined. -- Bradley Smith
Postby Dresden » 8 years 9 months ago (Tue Aug 12, 2014 12:29 am)
Tommy Pickett said: "Maybe one day, a Cole stein/Hunt show?! A man can dream"
Ry Dawson said: "Maybe"
David Cole Stein said: "Nope! No offense to you, Ry. You know I love ya. But Hunt? Nope"
As I said before.....You'd have better luck getting Deborah Lipstadt to debate, than David Cole.
Maybe, just maybe, they believe what they are telling you about the 'holocaust', but maybe, just maybe, their contempt for your intelligence and your character is beyond anything you could ever have imagined. -- Bradley Smith
Postby Werd » 8 years 9 months ago (Tue Aug 12, 2014 8:56 am)
"David wrote a rebuttle today and Eric is on the show in three hours." -Ryan Dawson. Posted at rys2sense.com
Then there is the continuation of the discussion on Facebook.
Ry Dawson David Cole David Cole Stein i look forward to reading it. My role is to allow people to speak since it is so censored and it will hash out and the truth will win in the end based on the evidence. Some people though like R F will never be on my show because they're just idiots. Eric doesn't even really care too much about a David, he is much more interested in debunking Caroline Colls, who I have to say is a shit archeologist.
I think Eric is looking at lack of physical evidence where as david is saying so what there are documents about the numbers and such which point to what happened. 1 hr · Edited · 1
Ry Dawson I don't have good three way software for three different countries either. And next interview with David which I stated before all this stuff broke out will be on the non holocaust stuff in his hilarious book. 1 hr · Edited
Postby Hannover » 8 years 9 months ago (Tue Aug 12, 2014 11:14 am)
So again, Cole provides no proof for his claims. He seems rather good at low class bar room chat however.
The 'holocaust' storyline is one of the most easily debunked narratives ever contrived. That is why those who question it are arrested and persecuted. That is why violent, racist, & privileged Jewish supremacists demand censorship. Truth needs no protection from scrutiny. The tide is turning.
