Nazi leaders who denied genocide in private

[borjastick]

During the war the individual generals and senior staff had enough to do with fighting it and the like. They didn't write down everything they thought and knew of and probably wouldn't have know about such things, if they were happening, because it didn't touch their sphere. Some if they heard anything would have dismissed it in an instant because it is total nonsense.

We all know where you are going with your posts here mate. I was born on a Tuesday. But not last Tuesday.

[Breker]

My favorite confession is from Otto Olehndorf https://famous-trials.com/nuremberg/1934-ohlentestimony

Why is it your "favorite"?
Do you think the Einsatzgruppen killed 2,000,000 Jews, which is the general clam made by Zionists?
If so, then why don't we see the human remains of those 2,000,000 that are said to rest in known locations?

Mr. Hannover has summarized it quite well:

Actually, the 'holocau$t' Industry now claims that ca. 2,000,000 Jews were shot by the Einsatzgruppen into huge pits, some even say more. These alleged enormous mass graves & immense human remains are claimed to exist in specifically known places, yet we never see these claimed remains.
So, is that:
100 graves of 20,000?
200 graves of 10,000?
400 graves of 5,000?
500 graves of 4,000?
1000 graves of 2000?
2000 graves of 1000?

CODOH also has rather a large amount on Mr. Otto Ohlendorf: https://codoh.com/search/?sorting=relevance&q=ohlendorf
B.

[Lamprecht]

I didn't see those quotes until after I had already posted.

OK, well they're there now

Do you have a link to a better version than the one provided?

There is no better version, it is the original German text.

I didn't check all but the first 5 or so entries i checked literally do not exist lol. I translated neighboring entries and there was no mention of Jews.

You're just trolling at this point.

https://web.archive.org/web/20200622060 ... -bande.pdf

Also the Lochner translation is here:
The Goebbels diaries, 1942-1943
https://archive.org/details/goebbelsdiaries100loch/

You will have to create an account on Archive.org and it will allow you to "Borrow" the book for an hour, but you can just keep repeating this I guess. For example, you can even save the images. Here are some pages:

https://imgur.com/a/G117D31

There is also the Barry Translation:

The Goebbels diaries : the last days
https://archive.org/details/goebbelsdiariesl00goeb

Same deal, make an account, borrow it, etc.

You're gonna have to try your best to do independent thinking here and put an effort into digging for sources. Cowardly deferring to "Experts" and an artificially contrived "consensus" just is not going to work here. This is a debate forum, appeals to popularity, consensus, and/or authority will be construed, at best, as low effort posting but in your case, mere trolling.

My favorite confession is from Otto Olehndorf https://famous-trials.com/nuremberg/1934-ohlentestimony

I suggest you make a thread on Otto Olehndorf and his "confession" then, that may be quite informative. As per the rules: viewtopic.php?t=358

Keep your threads / posts limited to one point.

Of course this entire thread subject is a bit silly, since the definition of "Private" is "Not accessible by the public" or "Not publicly known; not open; secret" and so, by default, it would be quite rare to encounter such a thing.

And, naturally, these individuals were focused on the war effort - except those stationed at the camps who likely were not obsessively reading Anglo, American and/or Soviet newspaper propaganda stories. Wars are not simply fought with bombs and bullets but also propaganda. Rather than simply repeating the enemy's propaganda followed up with strong emotional outbursts makes for a weak leader. One would instead by default counter with their own propaganda, a process described in the very quotations posted in this thread.

I do sit here amazed and flabbergasted at how confident you think you are in regards to knowing how other people would have behaved in a particular situation over 7 decades ago. Especially given that they were a different people of a different culture who grew up in widely different circumstances than you. Are you a qualified psychologist perchance?

It's not like the camp guards could pull out a smartphone every day and go on BBC News and drop the articles into Google translate to see what the enemy was saying about them

The "Allies" did the same propaganda schtick against the Germans in WW1 (including claims of homidical gas chambers) and after the war this was exposed as completely unfound nonsense. For the Third Reich leaders, this was rather fresh in their minds.

[gl0spana]

Here is another one, from 9 December 1942 - four days before the "aufräumen the Jewish riff-raff" entry you referenced:
"The Jews throughout the world mobilize against us. They tell of terrible atrocities against the Jewish race which we allegedly allowed to happen in Poland, and now they threaten us in London and Washington to inflict a terrible punishment on all guilty parties after the war. That still cannot prevent us from bringing about a radical solution to the Jewish Question. In any case, we will just let this threat be. The Jews will probably not have anything else special to report from Europe."

And 12 December 1942, the day before the "aufräumen the Jewish riff-raff" entry:
"The atrocity propaganda concerning Poland and the Jewish Question is taking on abnormal forms on the other side. We will not, I fear, be finished with this thing in the long run by remaining silent. We already have to answer to some things, if we do not want to run the risk of becoming gradually discovered. It is best now to go on the attack, and bring up the British atrocities in India or the Middle East. In any case we will have changed the subject."

Goebbels does say on 14 March 1945 that "Anyone in a position to do so should kill these Jews like rats (wie die Ratten totschlagen)" -- can you find a single other entry in which he explicitly calls for killing Jews? The context of this statement is after tens of thousands of Germans were killed in firebombing attacks. One can find similar statements made by Jews against Germans, or by Americans against the Japanese. Such is war, but a person's individual opinion of what should be done is not the same as what actually happened. What Goebbels describes in his diaries, when you look at more than just a couple of cherry-picked excerpts, is an overall policy of resettling/deporting Jews out of the Reich or into concentration camps, as well as executions of those involved in partisan/terrorist activities.

The document provided from the archive does not feature an entry for 9 Dec. I've screencapped the Dec 12 entry for all to see. There's nothing there.

https://ibb.co/JjYqpQs

Very suspicious of the source where you're getting this. It's from a Jew: David Cole. Why would you trust anything this guy has to say? His book is called " Republican Party Animal: The "Bad Boy of Holocaust History" Blows the Lid Off Hollywood's Secret Right-Wing Underground "

[gl0spana]

My favorite confession is from Otto Olehndorf https://famous-trials.com/nuremberg/1934-ohlentestimony

Why is it your "favorite"?
Do you think the Einsatzgruppen killed 2,000,000 Jews, which is the general clam made by Zionists?
If so, then why don't we see the human remains of those 2,000,000 that are said to rest in known locations?

Mr. Hannover has summarized it quite well:

Actually, the 'holocau$t' Industry now claims that ca. 2,000,000 Jews were shot by the Einsatzgruppen into huge pits, some even say more. These alleged enormous mass graves & immense human remains are claimed to exist in specifically known places, yet we never see these claimed remains.
So, is that:
100 graves of 20,000?
200 graves of 10,000?
400 graves of 5,000?
500 graves of 4,000?
1000 graves of 2000?
2000 graves of 1000?

CODOH also has rather a large amount on Mr. Otto Ohlendorf: https://codoh.com/search/?sorting=relevance&q=ohlendorf
B.

I don't think Ohlendorf's confession can be used for the basis of evidence because it is under duress. That was the point I was trying to make, that no confession of guilt or likewise proclamation of innocence should be used as evidence for any claim, given these men were facing the executioner's blade.

This is outside the purview of this topic but the answer the exterminationists give is simple and rather believable.

"Before the Nazis retreated from Kyiv ahead of the Soviet offensive of 1944, they were ordered by Wilhelm Koppe to conceal their atrocities in the East. Paul Blobel, who had been in control of the mass murders in Babi Yar two years earlier, supervised the Sonderaktion 1005 in eliminating its traces. The Aktion was carried out earlier in all extermination camps. The bodies were exhumed, burned and the ashes scattered over farmland in the vicinity.[48][49] Several hundred prisoners of war from the Syrets concentration camp were forced to build funeral pyres out of Jewish gravestones and exhume the bodies for cremation.[50]"

They simply dug up and burned the bodies from the several truly massive grave sites.

Nevertheless exterminationists claim to have dug up many mass graves.

http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot. ... found.html

So it is essentially your word against theirs.

[Christian]

Hermann Goering in Nuremberg denying the Holocaust and pointing out that his own writings have in no way been correctly translated.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/F0O1W69cVlLL/

[Hannover]

gl0spana said:

Before the Nazis retreated from Kyiv ahead of the Soviet offensive of 1944, they were ordered by Wilhelm Koppe to conceal their atrocities in the East. Paul Blobel, who had been in control of the mass murders in Babi Yar two years earlier, supervised the Sonderaktion 1005 in eliminating its traces. The Aktion was carried out earlier in all extermination camps. The bodies were exhumed, burned and the ashes scattered over farmland in the vicinity.[48][49] Several hundred prisoners of war from the Syrets concentration camp were forced to build funeral pyres out of Jewish gravestones and exhume the bodies for cremation.[50]"

They simply dug up and burned the bodies from the several truly massive grave sites.

Nevertheless exterminationists claim to have dug up many mass graves.

http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot. ... found.html

So it is essentially your word against theirs.

So many contradictions and lies in one quote. LOL

* I remind you that it is your"Holocaust Industry" which makes the claim that the human remains from the alleged '6M Jews, 5M others' exist in known locations, not Revisionists.
Of course that contradicts the absurd & laughable claim that they were all exhumed and made to magically disappear, which itself is very impossible. The 'holocaust' propagandists can't even keep their lies straight, obviously so.

* Your 'holocaust controversies' Zionists do not show us any mass graves that are claimed. It is not 'our word against theirs'. They are the accusers, the onus is on them to prove their wishful thinking. Revisionists have and can prove that the alleged millions upon million of human remains are a lie, they simply do not exist; whereas the 'holocaust controversies' True Believers cannot show what they claim exists.

* You speak of Babi Yar, yet you ignore the facts about Babi Yar:

If anyone really thought that 'the Nazis' magically removed all the human remains then there would have been no attempts to find the alleged human remains.
!! Excavation Result: No Human Remains of alleged 34,000 Jews as claimed at Babi Yar !! In fact, no remains period.': viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11314

* And only liars need to make fake pictures:

caption: Photo taken from the body of a dead German officer killed in Russia, showing a Nazi firing squad shooting Jews in the back as they sit beside their own mass grave, in Babi Yar, Kiev, 1942.

more:
* Babi Yar: The alleged Einsatzgruppen 'Killings'
http://www.unz.com/article/babi-yar/
* 'What Happened at Babi Yar?, Fact vs. Myth' / Using air photos and wartime newspapers, Ukrainian writer MICHAEL NIKIFORUK attacks a few myths about a wartime atrocity.: http://www.fpp.co.uk/Auschwitz/BabiYar/Nikiforuk.html
* 'Babi Yar: Critical Questions and Comments': http://codoh.com/library/document/920/?lang=en
* 'Bodies at Babi Yar', John Gibbons Reporting: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=7302
* 'Babi Yar 'massacre' debunked': viewtopic.php?f=2&t=41

*Here's more examples of where immense amounts of human remains are claimed to exist, but do not, as attempts to find them have shown.

staged Sobibor ‘monument’ / prop supposedly over the remains of 250,000 Jew, actual remains of the alleged 250,000 in fact do not exist.:


Enormous "Mass grave" at Sobibor in which the date, cause of death, ethnicity has not been determined. LOL


Alleged “ash pond” for an alleged 1.1M Jew remains at Auschwitz, however these alleged remains cannot be shown to exist.

Alleged location of Treblinka mass graves / remains of 900,000 Jews according to Treblinka officials, no alleged remains exist.


Photo from ‘Surviving Treblinka’, by "eyewitness" Samuel Willenberg:

It is captioned: “crane lifting corpses destined for cremation”.
Does anyone see any “corpses”? LOL

- Hannover

Revisionists are just the messengers, the absurd impossibility of the 'holocaust' storyline is the message.

[Hektor]

Heinrich Himmler "denied" the Holocaust on several occasions in private conversation.
Norbert Masur wrote a book about it. And Hannah Reitsch denied it as well. I think there are even more memoirs of that kind.

Please provide some links or quotes for me. These should be very important to the revisionist cause.

Heinrich Himmler to Norbert Masur:
https://archive.org/details/NorbertMasu ... ichHimmler
(Best to go through the whole tax since it deals with a number of issues)


Heinrich Himmler to Hanna Reitsch:
https://archive.org/details/HannaReitsc ... 1/mode/2up
Deals only with gas chambers - Hence the page.

[Lamprecht]

The document provided from the archive does not feature an entry for 9 Dec. I've screencapped the Dec 12 entry for all to see. There's nothing there.

https://ibb.co/JjYqpQs

Very suspicious of the source where you're getting this. It's from a Jew: David Cole. Why would you trust anything this guy has to say? His book is called " Republican Party Animal: The "Bad Boy of Holocaust History" Blows the Lid Off Hollywood's Secret Right-Wing Underground "

Correct, those two entries are from Tagebücher collection Part II, volume 6 - page 415 and 434. I will have to see if these are available online, but I did not find them on either archive.org or the other book website.
What I provided was Part I.

Are you insinuating that Cole totally invented the entries? If you do not have the book (which is not on that website, from what I can see) then that is a serious charge to make, especially on the basis that he is a Jew. Some might even call that "anti-Semitism."

Are you going to purchase the book and show these pages all to us?
Probably you could find it at a library if you try hard enough. I am more concerned about your claims of mass graves though and your responses to my 10 simple questions in the other thread:

Challenge to exterminationist gl0spana on alleged mass graves // $100,000+ reward
viewtopic.php?t=13321

You could use the reward money to buy the book

[Lamprecht]

gl0spana: The 12 Dec 1942 translation you have provided is full of ellipses (the "..." parts) which indicates an intentional omission of content from the text.

Also, in one entry Lochner insists Goebbels was referring to exterminating Jews when the correct translation of the term Goebbels used, as has been pointed out, is "to clean up." There are other examples where Lochner translates certain words in dishonest ways but is veering too far off-topic.

Regardless, the sources of the 9 & 12th of December 1942 quotations are from part II of the Tagebücher collection, volume 6. The exact pages have been provided. You can verify this yourself by getting the book, it certainly exists. Refer to:

Top of the second to the last column.

And: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goebbels_Diaries

Particularly, the following row in the table under the text "Die Tagebücher von Joseph Goebbels, Teil II Diktate 1941–1945 [The Diaries of Joseph Goebbels, Part II: Dictations, 1941–1945] (ISBN 3-598-21920-2)"

Volume: 6
Entry dates: October – December 1942
Editor(s): Hartmut Mehringer
Year published: 1996

Lochner died in 1975 so he was not even alive when these entries were published in German. His English translation book "The Goebbels Diaries, 1942–1943" was first published in 1948 (although later reprinted in 1970).

The backstory:
A few years after the war, an unknown scavenger came upon the diaries -- about 7,000 pages total -- in the ruins of the official German archives. Many pages were burned, soaked, or missing. They "passed through several hands," before an American eventually acquired them. Lochner's 1948 English translation was very partial, and only included very selected entries from 1942 and 1943. What was not known at the time was that the USSR had acquired a full set of 75,000 individual sheets of the entire diary series in the form of glass plate prints. Parts did leak out over the years, but it wasn't until 1992 when David Irving discovered the full set in the Soviet archives were the missing gaps able to be filled in. Irving used them to help write his 1996 book "Goebbels: Mastermind of the Third Reich."

The Tagebücher series will not be published in English, at least according to a[n alleged] 2009 statement by a correspondent of the German publishing company K.G. Saur Verlag. Besides Lochner's 1948 work, there are three other English translations of different parts of the diaries:
1 - Oliver Watson's 1925-26 entries (completely useless for this discussion)
2 - Fred Taylor's 1939-41 entries (arguably also useless as many claim the "Final Solution" was not "exterminate the Jews" until early 1942)
3 - Richard Barry's entries of 1945
All four of these English translations combined comprise less than a tenth of the total text of the diaries, so over 90% can only be found in German (apart from some of the translations provided here, which you are so passionately desperate to declare are complete fabrications).

Naturally, if you are truly interested in exposing these translations as fabrications -- thereby showing that "Deniers" really are just liars who just make stuff up for malicious reasons -- Google Books provides purchasing options as well as a resource to help find the book in a library. So you may be lucky enough to get a copy without even having to spend a shekel!
See: https://books.google.com/books?id=z-GMz ... ce=gbs_atb
Here's another website with purchasing options: https://www.isbns.fm/isbn/9783598221378/

As I said before:
"You're gonna have to try your best to do independent thinking here and put an effort into digging for sources. Cowardly deferring to 'Experts' and an artificially contrived 'consensus' just is not going to work here. This is a debate forum, appeals to popularity, consensus, and/or authority will be construed, at best, as low effort posting but in your case, mere trolling."

[Otium]

I didn't see those quotes until after I had already posted.

Do you have a link to a better version than the one provided? I didn't check all but the first 5 or so entries i checked literally do not exist lol. I translated neighboring entries and there was no mention of Jews.

My favorite confession is from Otto Olehndorf https://famous-trials.com/nuremberg/1934-ohlentestimony

What about Olehndorf makes him your favourite? Care to comment on that?

Olehndorf admitted to killing partisans. But so what? That's to be expected, as partisan activity was illegal. And that's all the Einsatzgruppen was, quite an admirable organisation and goal I would think. For the Germans to ensure the rules of war are being followed by crushing the illegal partisans is quite worthy of praise.

[Lamprecht]

What about Olehndorf makes him your favourite? Care to comment on that?

Unfortunately, the OP seems to have disappeared. He came to troll and even admitted to it, and then began asking a lot of silly questions - often the same question worded a bit differently [I guess] expecting a different answer. Then he complained that it would just take too much effort to research this stuff and come to his own conclusion; a safer bet would be to accept the "consensus" (despite it being enforced by law).

Ohlendorf is an interesting topic though. I wish he stayed around a bit longer and made a thread about him. There are a handful of threads on Ohlendorf; for example:

SS General Otto Ohlendorf's confession/recantation
viewtopic.php?t=1182

And more recently:

A Question about Otto Ohlendorf
viewtopic.php?t=13327

[gl0spana]

no i left cuz you guys kept 'disapproving' my posts

couldn't take the heat i presume

[Moderator]

no i left cuz you guys kept 'disapproving' my posts

couldn't take the heat i presume

That's ridiculous, excuse making nonsense, see:
note to gl0spana:
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=13320

ex.:

You seem to be more interested in ignoring the information presented to you rather than serious discussion.
You have also been asked to present examples of what you are trying to talk about, but have not done so.
Your innuendos & name calling are also noted and has been removed.

You were specifically asked to tell us how the alleged 'gas chambers' that are critical to your assertions, functioned. So far you have not.
You have also been asked specifically to show us the relevant and claimed multi-millions of human remains that the narrative that you promote says exist in well known places. So far you have not shown them.

So, present your case in this thread or start a new one on this topic, and stop the trolling, dodging.
Here's your chance to show everyone what you have to back up your beliefs."

M1

[Archie]

Hermann Goering in Nuremberg denying the Holocaust and pointing out that his own writings have in no way been correctly translated.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/F0O1W69cVlLL/

As a companion volume to the IMT proceedings, I would recommend Gustave Gilbert's Nuremberg Diary. Gilbert was a Jewish psychologist who was sent to talk to all the prisoners. His accounts of his interactions with the Nazis are incredibly biased but it's still an invaluable resource for behind-the-scenes reactions. The whole thing is worth reading, but below are some selections, including some that give some insights into what the top Nazis thought about the claims. I have pulled only direct quotes and have left out Gilbert's hysterical Jew commentary.

Feb 15th 1946 Entry
Gilbert mentions that the Russians are going to show an atrocity film.
Goering: "Ach, what the Russians show!"
Ribbentrop: "Haven't you heard about how the Americans slaughtered the Indians? Were they an inferior race too? Do you know who started concentration camps in the first place? The British. And do you know why? To force the Boers to give up their arms.
Goering: "Those atrocity films! Anybody can make an atrocity film if they take corpses out their graves and then show a tractor shoving them back in again."
Gilbert: "You can't brush it off that easily. We did find your concentration camps fairly littered with corpses and mass graves--I saw them myself in Dachau! And Hadamar!
Goering: "Oh, but not piled up by the thousands like that--"
Gilbert: "Don't tell me what I didn't see! I saw corpses literally by the carload--"
Goering: "Oh, that one train--"
Gilbert: "And piled up like cordwood in the crematorium--and half-starved and mutilated prisoners, who told me how the butchery had been going on for years--and Dachau was not the worst by far! You can't shrug off 6,000,000 murders!"
Goering: "Well, I doubt if it was 6,000,000. But as I've always said, it is sufficient if only 5 per cent of it is true."

Feb 19th 1946 Entry
[Goering's comments after seeing the Russian atrocity film]
"First of all, a film that they made is no proof, just looking at it from a legal point of view. They could just as easily have killed a few hundred German PW's and put them in Russian uniforms for the atrocity picture--you don't know the Russians the way I do. Secondly, lots of those pictures were probably taken during their own revolution, like the baskets of heads. Thirdly, those fields covered with bodies,--Why, such pictures are easy to get any time in a war. I've seen thousands of bodies myself. And where did they get the fresh corpses to photograph? They couldn't have come right in ready to take pictures. They must have shot those people themselves. Of course, as I've always told you, it is enough if only 5 per cent of all the atrocity stories are true, from all that has already been presented before--but I do not put any stock in what the Russians bring. They are blaming their own atrocities on us."

Nov 29th 1945 Entry
[After the American atrocity film]
According to Gilbert, many of those in the dock reacted with shock. This is interesting because assuming the holocaust actually happened presumably all these guys should have already been aware of it. Yet they seem surprised and seem to have had no idea about all these atrocities.
When they show the Buchenwald lampshade, Streicher reportedly says "I don't believe that."
At the end of the film, Hess reportedly says, "I don't believe it."
Gilbert describes Wilhelm Frick's reaction as follows: "Frick shakes his head incredulously at speech of female doctor describing treatment and experiments on female prisoners at Belsen." Later in the evening he quotes Frick trying to make sense of the images: "I suppose the disruption of communications in the last few months--the bombing and confusion--I don't know." Gilbert suggest Frick considered the question only briefly and casually.

Dec 15-16 1946 Entry
Rosenberg: "Of course, it's terrible--incomprehensible, the whole business. I would never have dreamed it would take such a turn. I don't know. Terrible!--on a scale like that, Hitler must have given the orders, or Himmler did it with the Fuhrer's approval."
Gilbert: "What do you think of Hitler now? How do you feel about the Party program now that the results are in?"
Rosenberg: "I don't know. I guess it just ran away with him. We didn't contemplate killing anybody in the beginning; I can assure you of that. I always advocated a peaceful solution. I held a speech before 10,000 people which was later printed and distributed widely, advocating a peaceful solution. Just taking Jews out of their influential positions, that's all. Like instead of having 90 per cent of the doctors in Berlin Jewish, reducing them to 30 per cent, or something like that--which would have been a liberal quota even then. I had no idea that it would lead to such horrible things as mass murder. We only wanted to solve the Jewish problem peacefully. We even let 50,00 Jewish intellectual get across the border. Just as I wanted Lebensraum for Germany, I thought the Jews should have Lebensraum for themselves--outside of Germany. There was no use trying to send them to Palestine, because it meant moving 800,000 Arabs out of the territory with the help of British bayonets."

Here it seems Rosenberg has been convinced of the Jewish extermination claims but he seems surprised to learn of it and he has to speculate about how it could have happened. It's hard to believe the extermination could have occurred without many of the Nazis even being aware of it. So either Rosenberg is putting on a quite a performance here OR he really wasn't aware of it. We see something similar with Gilbert's exchange with Sauckel.

Gilbert: "What do you think of Hitler now?"
Sauckel: "Well, it is hard to say. We are of different opinions--whether Hitler knew about those things. I just don't know. But there is no doubt that Himmler did those things, and they cannot possibly be justified. I just can't get it through my head how those things were possible."

Sauckel, like Rosenberg, appears to have been convinced and again we see shock and surprise. And it seems there was private disagreement among the Nazis at Nuremberg whether Hitler knew what was going on or if it was Himmler.

July 26, 1946 Entry
Gilbert asks Streicher how he thought the Jews could dominate the world when the Nazi regime had exterminated most of the Jews in Europe.
Streicher: "Oh, I don't think we have exterminated as many as they say. I don't think it was 6 million. I figure it was maybe 4 million"
Of course, by the time the holocaust supposedly started Streicher was in no position to have any idea how many Jews died.

Some like Goering don't believe it at all. But even the comments of the "believers" are hard to square with the holocaust story. Realistically, if the Nazis had an extermination program and successfully killed six million Jews, EVERYONE would have known about it.