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The Mafia and the Allies

Postby Mortimer » 9 years 7 months ago (Sat Oct 12, 2013 7:32 am)

The mainstream media and the Allied nations themselves claimed that they were morally superior to the Axis. But how do you explain the fact that the Roosevelt administration worked hand in hand with the mafia and helped to reorganise their activities in Sicily after the US invasion - http://codoh.com/library/document/2593
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Re: The Mafia and the Allies

Postby Advanced Mick » 8 years 6 months ago (Mon Nov 24, 2014 7:42 am)

The Allies intervention in the Mediterranean was always strategic. The British & French sought absolute control of either end of the sea & as many of the large islands as was possible, for e.g. Alexandria, Palestine, Cyprus, Crete, Malta, Gibraltar were all under the sway of the British when WW2 began. When Mussolini formed his Fascist Party after WW1 he was in the pay of MI5 & it was with their authorisation & assistance that he invaded Abyssinia. It was MI6 that drafted Franco into place before the Spanish Civil War, Hirohito belonged to the high echelons of the British establishment & Hitler of course owed his rise to & retention of power to Wall St. Allied duplicity goes much further than helping the Mafia. The Sicilian Mafia were re-organised to run the lucrative drug trade post war. Given the intimate connections between the leaders of the Axis Powers & the All-lies, WW2 can be seen as nothing else other than a monumental inside job, with Hitler, Mussolini & Hirohito being either accomplices or betrayed. I can only speculate that it was out of stark necessity that Italy & Germany opened up so many fronts & invaded the nations that it did during the war.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/o ... -mi5-italy
http://www.voltairenet.org/IMG/pdf/Sutt ... tler-5.pdf
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hirohito (See Honours bestowed)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_Polla ... _Civil_War

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Re: The Mafia and the Allies

Postby Mortimer » 8 years 5 months ago (Wed Dec 24, 2014 12:16 pm)

Mussolini Takes on the Mafia - an article by Mike La Sorte http://www.americanmafia.com/Feature_Articles_267.html
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Re: The Mafia and the Allies

Postby Mortimer » 5 years 6 months ago (Wed Nov 15, 2017 1:31 am)

I recently viewed The French Connection dvd with director's commentary by William Friedkin. He stated that the major supply of heroin came from the Corsican underworld and that the US government had requested the extradition of Jean Jahan. The French authorities refused because he was a member of the resistance during WW2 - in other words even though he was a drug dealer and gangster he got a free pass because he fought with De Gaulle. This is the "morality" of French politicians -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Connection
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Re: The Mafia and the Allies

Postby Kingfisher » 5 years 6 months ago (Sat Nov 18, 2017 1:53 pm)

I recall when I was living in France in the Seventies, reading about the connections between the Gaullist party and the Corsican Mafia, dating back to the War, when they played a similar role in the landings in the South of France as the Sicilian Mafia had in Sicily. Googling will no doubt bring up more details.

The US dealings with Lucky Luciano are well documented, including in Wikipedia.

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Re: The Mafia and the Allies

Postby Mortimer » 3 years 10 months ago (Tue Jul 23, 2019 6:30 pm)

A recent piece of writing by Ron Unz is American Pravda : The Power of Organized Crime. The article mentions the role of mafia types who used dubious methods to acquire the assets of Japanese in the United States who were interned after Pearl Harbour.
http://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda ... zed-crime/
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Re: The Mafia and the Allies

Postby Mortimer » 3 years 10 months ago (Tue Jul 30, 2019 8:44 am)

Article from the UK newspaper The Daily Mail which reviews a documentary called Wages of Spin II Bring Down That Wall. It is all about US president Ronald Reagan and his ties to Lew Wasserman the Hollywood mogul who was a front for organised crime. No wonder the Hollywood studios and their stars keep churning out anti fascist/anti Nazi movies by the dozen it's because they were against the mafia whereas Hollywood types are in league with them !
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... evels.html
Wasserman was being investigated by the Department of Justice for mafia links when Reagan became president. Not long after the investigation was called off.
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Re: The Mafia and the Allies

Postby Hannover » 3 years 10 months ago (Tue Jul 30, 2019 10:51 am)

a must read here:

American Pravda: The Power of Organized Crime
http://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda ... zed-crime/
How a Young Syndicate Lawyer from Chicago Earned a Fortune Looting the Property of the Japanese-Americans, then Lived Happily Ever After as America's Most Respected Civil Libertarian Federal Appellate Court Judge

As usual, we see that that The Usual Enemies of Free Speech are the leading figures.

Writing before the “official version” of historical events had been rigidly determined, Bryant describes Germany’s very difficult domestic situation between the two world wars, its problematic relationship with its tiny Jewish minority, and the circumstances behind the rise of Hitler, providing a very different perspective on these important events than what we usually read in our standard textbooks.

Among other surprising facts, he notes that although Jews were just 1% of the total population, even five years after Hitler had come to power and implemented various anti-Semitic policies, they still apparently owned “something like a third of the real property” in that country, with the great bulk of these vast holdings having been acquired from desperate, starving Germans in the terrible years of the early 1920s. Thus, much of Germany’s 99% German population had recently been dispossessed of the assets they had built up over generations, sometimes due to the same sort of corrupt financial practices that Bazelon and his friends had used to enrich themselves in California at the expense of the Japanese.

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Re: The Mafia and the Allies

Postby Mortimer » 2 months 3 weeks ago (Tue Mar 14, 2023 7:15 am)

Operation Underworld was the official name given to the Roosevelt administration's alliance with the Mafia. The cloak and dagger brigade learned the dirty tricks of organised crime and vice versa.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Underworld
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Re: The Mafia and the Allies

Postby Hektor » 2 months 3 weeks ago (Wed Mar 15, 2023 1:57 am)

"Moral superiority of the Allies".
The pretense was that they 'fought for democracy and freedom'. Their claim to 'moral superiority came however by their claim to fight 'the incarnation of evil'. Well, with their practices against civilians and with the mode on how they fought war, there was obviously a need for the later. There are also admissions that the Allied soldier didn't know what they were fighting for. For the American it was war far away from home. For the Brit is was a bit closer to home. The common man just wanted to be on the winning side and would have resented, if his country got occupied. But for your educated upper class, the fact that Europe was bombed to smithereens and half of Europe under Soviet control would not be favorable from any objective point of view. That answers the question why the Allies had to go to insane length to accuse especially the Germans of all kinds of atrocities whether believable or not. That would shut up the vast majority of potential critics of allied polices or warfare.

The IMT actually showed that the Allies were want of proof for the thesis they promoted. And in fact careful investigation of what really happened, it turns out that the Germans did only what they deemed necessary to survive or win the war. But that seems exactly to be what was to be disparaged. The principle of sovereignty and nationhood.

The Allies actually went to greater length than that. They did everything to squash their enemies. No matter what the damage would be.

That they would work with the mafia shouldn't come as a surprise.


"Jewish self-enrichment in the Weimar years."

That's a point that isn't sufficiently investigated. But it seems as if a good portion of the Jews did get rich at the expense of the majority of Germans. And this was also received in that way by many Germans. Especially the middle class, the more left-leaning Germans would have blamed "Capitalism".... But wouldn't be able why there is also 'capitalism' without this phenomenon. The impoverishment of wider parts of the German population was policy-induced. There is no credible way around this. Jews had stronger influence on policy in the 1920s than they had in preceding decades. That leads to the conclusion that politically influential Jews pushed for policies detrimental to Germans and favorable to Jews. On the contrary one should look on the legal issues with the acquisitions by Jews during the early Weimar period. I'd expect a mixed picture there. Formally most would be legal. On the other hand there may have been conniving to get hold of some factory, business or real estate. But this tends to be difficult to investigate. And it brings us to the Mafia. Organized crime may gain their wealth initially by illegal means, but they move into 'legit business' over time. Simply because the risk may be lower there. They will also lawyer up to fend of competitors or 'legal opposition'. And well, this is an issue, also today. In theory one could of course try filtering them out, but it won't be easy given that they do have the resources to extent legal proceedings for years, if not decades. And within due time, they can asset-strip a company that is about to be hit with demands for compensation or expropriation, based on criminal behavior of their management. One should bear in mind, when evaluating NS-policies towards business. Because those issues were indeed addressed, even when the manner in which it was done is open to critique as well.


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