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Goebbels Feb. 15, 1942 Diary Entry

Postby NatSoc420 » 2 years 1 month ago (Tue Apr 13, 2021 10:40 pm)

I saw an Exterminist use Goebbels Feb. 15, 1942 entry of his diary to prove that Hitler had "plans" to exterminate the Jews since Goebbels writes
World Jewry will suffer a great catastrophe at the same time as Bolshevism. The Fuehrer once more expressed his determination to clean up the Jews in Europe pitilessly. There must be no squeamish sentimentalism about it. The Jews have deserved the catastrophe that has now overtaken them. Their destruction will go hand in hand with the destruction of our enemies. We must hasten this process with cold ruthlessness. We shall thereby render an inestimable service to a humanity tormented for thousands of years by the Jews. This uncompromising anti-Semitic attitude must prevail among our own people despite all objectors. The Fuehrer expressed this idea vigorously and repeated it afterward to a group of officers who can put that in their pipes and smoke it.

Src: http://www.nizkor.com/hweb/people/g/goebbels-joseph/goebbels-1948-excerpts-02.html
Is this quote referring to "exterminating" Jews and if not, is there any possible rebuttal to this?

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Re: Goebbels Feb. 15, 1942 Diary Entry

Postby Hannover » 2 years 1 month ago (Wed Apr 14, 2021 2:49 am)

Is there the actual Goebbels diary to review? Not someone's alleged "translation", falsified propaganda.
Such "translations" have been shown to be fraudulent. Nuremberg for example is full of fake "translations" for which no real German originals exist.

And of course the alleged gas chambers were simply impossible and the claimed human remains of the alleged millions upon millions are said to exist in known locations, yet in fact they do not exist.

Others here have worked over the nonsense supposedly said by Goebbels.
i.e.:
The Unsourced [alleged] Excerpts of Joseph Goebbels' Diary
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11824
excerpt:
Why should anyone accept a highly biased Jewish source, like [for example] the Jewish Virtual Library ?
Such sources have demonstrated over & over again their agenda and determination to concoct false 'translations' and claim evidence which does not exist.
Their typical tactics are to say words mean what they do not, ex.: they say the use of 'deportation' in German meant 'extermination' in English. Or that 'uproot' in German means 'murder' in English. Then they say that the German used "codewords" to issue the orders for 'exterminations' for which their is no proof. :lol:
All rather comical, and quite the con job
and:
The Goebbels diary: a forgery?
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3793
and:
Goebbels' diaries and Nizkor's manipulations
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=22198

Revisionists are just the messengers, the absurd impossibility of the 'holocaust' storyline is the message.

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Re: Goebbels Feb. 15, 1942 Diary Entry

Postby Otium » 2 years 1 month ago (Wed Apr 14, 2021 3:18 am)

Here is a full, accurate English translation, and the German text for comparison:

English:

Bolshevism is a devil’s doctrine, and once you’ve suffered from this scourge, you don’t want to have anything more to do with it. The sufferings of the Russian people under Bolshevism are indescribable. This Jewish terrorism must be rooted out from all of Europe, stump and stem. That’s our historical task. For example, it’s particularly characteristic of the relationship of the Russian people to Bolshevism that, when we tried to drive the people of [the Ukrainian city of] Kharkov over to Bolshevik lines, this attempt failed altogether. The population simply lay down on the ground and wouldn’t move. Men, women, and children would rather be shot than flee to their own soldiers. What can one say about a regime that produces such moral consequences in a people, and how necessary it is for us to eliminate this regime so that Europe can regain its peace and tranquility! This doctrine of the devil, called Bolshevism, must not continue to exist on a continent in which National Socialism exists. Both cannot live side by side.

Jewry will undoubtedly experience a catastrophe along with Bolshevism. The Führer once again expressed his opinion that he’s determined to ruthlessly clean up the Jews in Europe. Here one must not have any sentimental tendencies. The Jews deserve the catastrophe they are experiencing today. They will experience their own destruction along with the destruction of our enemies. We must accelerate this process with cold recklessness, and we are doing an incalculable service to a humanity that has been tormented by Jewry for millennia. This uncompromising antiSemitic attitude must prevail among our own people, even among the most obstinate circles. The Führer expressed this idea vigorously and repeated it afterward to a group of officers—let them chew on that one.


German:

Der Bolschewismus ist eine Teufelslehre, und wer einmal unter ihrer Geissel gelitten hat, der möchte nichts mehr damit zu tun haben. Die Leiden, die das russische Volk unter dem Bolschewismus hat ausstehen müssen, sind überhaupt unbeschreiblich. Dieser jüdische Terrorismus muss aus ganz Europa mit Stumpf und Stiel ausgerottet werden. Das ist unsere historische Aufgabe. Es ist z. B. für das Verhältnis des russischen Volkes zum Bolschewismus besonders charakteristisch, dass, als wir versuchten, die Bevölkerung von Charkow zu den bolschewistischen Linien herüber-zutreiben, dieser Versuch gänzlich misslungen ist. Die Bevölkerung hat sich einfach auf die Erde gelegt und ist nicht weitergegangen. Männer, Frauen und Kinder wollten sich unter Umständen lieber erschiessen lassen, als zu ihren eigenen Soldaten überzulaufen. Was soll man von einem Regime sagen, das solche moralischen Folgen in einem Volk zeitigt, und wie notwendig ist es, dass wir dieses Regime beseitigen, damit Europa seinen Frieden und seine Ruhe zurückerhält! Die Lehre des Teufels, genannt Bolschewismus, darf nicht weiter in einem Erdteil existieren, in dem der Nationalsozialismus existiert. Beide können nicht nebeneinander leben.

Mit dem Bolschewismus wird zweifellos auch das Judentum seine grosse Katastrophe erleben. Der Führer gibt noch einmal seiner Meinung Ausdruck, dass er entschlossen ist, rücksichtslos mit den Juden in Europa aufzuräumen. Hier darf man keinerlei sentimentale Anwandlungen haben. Die Juden haben die Katastrophe, die sie heute erleben, verdient. Sie werden mit der Vernichtung unserer Feinde auch ihre eigene Vernichtung erleben. Wir müssen diesen Prozess mit einer kalten Rücksichtslosigkeit beschleunigen, und wir tun damit der leidenden und seit Jahrtausenden vom Judentum gequälten Menschheit einen unabschätzbaren Dienst. Diese klare judenfeindliche Haltung muss auch im eigenen Volke allen widerspenstigen Kreisen gegenüber durchgesetzt werden. Das betont der Führer ausdrücklich, auch nachher noch einmal im Kreise von Offizieren, die sich das hinter die Ohren schreiben können.


Joseph Goebbels, Goebbels on the Jews: The Complete Diary Entries 1923-1945, Edited & Translated by Thomas Dalton, PhD. (Castle Hill Publishers, 2019), Pp. 143-144.


Of this, Dalton briefly comments:

We note that Goebbels refers to the Vernichtung of the enemy nations—which obviously cannot mean total elimination or murder, but rather domination and defeat. It could hardly be clearer.

Ibid., p. 144.


The quote is clearly only taken to be "proof" of physical destruction (murder) if interpreted under the assumption that the Jews actually were being systematically exterminated. Otherwise, Goebbels is just using harsh, violent language, and is not being literal. One can "destroy" or "annihilate" an enemy or opponent, but that doesn't have to have anything to do with killing. I'm sure every person alive has used rhetorical language like that. It's not a big deal. If the Holocaust Believers are preoccupied with poor quotes like this as their standard of evidence, then their bar for what "proves" the Holocaust is extremely low.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Quotes like these do not substantiate the claims made about the Holocaust, because the claims are of a specific, quantifiable, and technical nature. For these quotes to matter at all, one would have to prove the the temporal reality of the Holocaust first. That this hasn't been done makes these quotes worthless in pursuit of answering any questions related to the validity of the claims made by those who believe in the traditional Holocaust story. These quotes answer no questions at all and are only "evidence" to those who already believe that the Holocaust happened.
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Re: Goebbels Feb. 15, 1942 Diary Entry

Postby Hannover » 2 years 1 month ago (Wed Apr 14, 2021 3:30 am)

HMS:

- I assume the source you gave had access to the actual diary.

- You also correctly emphasize what we see all the time, bogus "translations" of German to English that serves the purposes of those who benefit / profit from the 'holocaust' scam, and indeed. that is what it is.

Regards, Hannover
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Re: Goebbels Feb. 15, 1942 Diary Entry

Postby Otium » 2 years 1 month ago (Wed Apr 14, 2021 4:28 am)

Hannover wrote:HMS:

- I assume the source you gave had access to the actual diary.

- You also correctly emphasize what we see all the time, bogus "translations" of German to English that serves the purposes of those who benefit / profit from the 'holocaust' scam, and indeed. that is what it is.

Regards, Hannover


The source I gave was to the revisionist Thomas Dalton, who is reliable. He used the complete published version of the diary (Die Tagebücher von Joseph Goebbels published by Sauer Verlag, now De Gruyter), not the microfilm. I don't even think the paper original exists in its complete form anymore, but it was preserved, as we know, on 75,000 glass plate prints, which Goebbels had made in order to preserve the diary regardless of whether the originals were destroyed.

At some point the diary was no longer hand written, and was in fact dictated by Goebbels to the stenographer Richard Otte. You can read more about the diaries here (Archive).

I have little reason to suspect the diaries are not authentic.

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Re: Goebbels Feb. 15, 1942 Diary Entry

Postby Moderator » 2 years 1 month ago (Wed Apr 14, 2021 1:32 pm)

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