Jäger Report, a document

[Zulu]

A believer gave me a link to the reproduction of the supposed complete Jäger report.
http://www.phdn.org/archives/einsatzgru ... mages.html
Concerning that topic, I searched here what was told about such document and I found that his authenticity is seriously contested.
Among the reasons given, it is the fact that only the page nr 6 was released. Now we have 9 pages of the document. As I don't speak German, it is difficult to me of verifying whether the French translation given here is accurate or not.
http://www.phdn.org/histgen/documents/jaeger.html
What can we say about this? Do MGK have worked on it?

[Hektor]

One problem with this document is that there is no possibility of verification (yet). Virtually anybody with some knowledge, typewriter, paper and stamps could have manufactured it.


Notably it only had been "found" in 1959. Has any historian tried to validate it?

[Hannover]

This fake 'document' has been covered thoroughly at this forum, search Jaeger Report and see tons of info. which expose this amateurish creation.
A few examples and some links follow.

Jaeger Report
see:
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=9411&p=71508&hilit=hannover+jaeger+report#p71508

points:
- The communist Soviets 'found' the 'Jaeger Report' fifteen years after the alleged event.
- Why was only sheet 6 ever previously shown? And even at that, the other sheets are merely a forged list of Jews which are not verifiable in any way.
- There is no cover / title page.
- Where is the official letterhead?
- No official document numbering.
- Note the damning cropped top of alleged page 1.
- Jaeger's signature on the final page means that someone played Karl Jaeger for a moment, hardly convincing.
- Anyone with a typewriter and German stamp, which were certainly in abundance after the war, could and did manufacture this absurd " document". The images are nothing more than a photograph of a bogus document typed by anyone to mean whatever they wanted, it would be laughed out of court.
- A photo of a bogus document is still a bogus document
- Was it ever used in any trial? If so, what trial? If not, why not?
- Jaeger's group allegedly killed 133,346 people, where are the claimed mass graves of human remains to see? To verify? They simply do not exist

The there's the all too convenient Jaeger alleged "suicide".
We have excellent threads on these "suicides":
'Brief List of the (very) Conveniently Deceased'
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=5226
and:
'Curious "Suicides" '
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=8248

recommended:
'The Einsatzgruppen and the Holocaust'
http://www.inconvenienthistory.com/arch ... ocaust.php

for even more see:
'Jaeger Report'
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=8510
excerpt:

some points:

The communist Soviets found the 'Jaeger Report' fifteen years after the alleged event.

Karl Jaeger curiously 'committed suicide' on 22 June 1959, how convenient.

Absolutely no mass graves have been shown to support the 'Jaeger Report'.

The so called 'Jaeger Report' has the smell of yet another communist Soviet forgery for which they were notorious.

It's all part of the unsupportable '2,000,000 Jews shot by the Einsatzgruppen' tale.
So, is that:
100 graves of 20,000?
200 graves of 10,000?
400 graves of 5,000?
500 graves of 4,000?
1000 graves of 2000?
2000 graves of 1000?

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and from: http://inconvenienthistory.com/archive/ ... ionism.php

5) The Einsatzgruppen reports

As proof for the alleged huge slaughter in the occupied Eastern territories, first and foremost are cited the so-called "Ereignismeldungen” (event reports) of the four Einsatzgruppen. These documents cover the period from June 1941 to May 1942 and mention numerous massacres, with victims occasionally numbering in five-digit figures. The "Ereignismeldungen” were supposedly found by the Allies in the Berlin RSHA. That the Germans let this sort of incriminating material fall into the hands of their enemies is strikingly odd.

The alleged slaughter of 33,711 Ukrainian Jews at Babi Yar near Kiev is the most notorious massacre ascribed to the Germans on the Eastern Front. This figure appears in an Einsatzgruppen report from 7 October 1941.26 According to the established version of the facts, these 33,711 Jews were shot and their bodies thrown into the ravine of Babij Yar on 29 September 1941. But the first witnesses told completely different stories: The massacre was perpetrated in a graveyard, or near a graveyard, or in a forest, or in the very city of Kiev, or on the shores of the Dnieper. As to the murder weapons, the early witnesses spoke of rifles, or machine guns, or submachine guns, or hand grenades, or bayonets, or knives; some witnesses claimed that the victims had been put to death via lethal injections whereas others asserted that they had been drowned in the Dnieper, or buried alive, or killed by means of electric current, or squashed by tanks, or driven into minefields, or that their skulls had been crushed with rocks, or that they had been murdered in gas vans.27 Now that is what we call good, solid evidence, is it not, Dr. Lindtner?

When the Red Army approached Kiev, the Germans allegedly dug up the mass graves and burnt the bodies. This work was reportedly finished on 28 September. But two days before, on 26 September, Babi Yar was photographed by a German reconnaissance aircraft. The air photo shows no fires, no open graves and no traces of human activity.28 As a matter of fact, there are some photographs of human remains at Babi Yar, although they do not appear in the file of the Soviet commission. Mattogno has analyzed these photographs. But I do not want to go into details here, so I suggest simply deleting this sentence.

So the report from 7 October 1941, which mentions an imaginary slaughter, is a fraud. This means that all other Einsatzgruppen reports are equally suspect from the beginning.

still more:
'Jaeger Report'
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4248

- Hannover

The 'holocaust' storyline is one of the most easily debunked narratives ever contrived. That is why those who question it are arrested and persecuted. That is why violent, racist, & privileged Jewish supremacists demand censorship. What sort of truth is it that crushes the freedom to seek the truth? Truth needs no protection from scrutiny.

The tide is turning.

[Zulu]

This fake 'document' has been covered thoroughly at this forum, search Jaeger Report and see tons of info. which expose this amateurish creation.
A few examples and some links follow.

Jaeger Report
see:
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=9411&p=71508&hilit=hannover+jaeger+report#p71508

points:
- The communist Soviets 'found' the 'Jaeger Report' fifteen years after the alleged event.
- Why was only sheet 6 ever previously shown? And even at that, the other sheets are merely a forged list of Jews which are not verifiable in any way.
- There is no cover / title page.
- Where is the official letterhead?
- No official document numbering.
- Note the damning cropped top of alleged page 1.
- Jaeger's signature on the final page means that someone played Karl Jaeger for a moment, hardly convincing.
- Anyone with a typewriter and German stamp, which were certainly in abundance after the war, could and did manufacture this absurd " document". The images are nothing more than a photograph of a bogus document typed by anyone to mean whatever they wanted, it would be laughed out of court.
- A photo of a bogus document is still a bogus document
- Was it ever used in any trial? If so, what trial? If not, why not?
- Jaeger's group allegedly killed 133,346 people, where are the claimed mass graves of human remains to see? To verify? They simply do not exist

Thanks Hannover. In fact, I had read your posts on that topic and I answered to the believer the list of points you mentioned concerning that report.
However, as an answer to the ¨only page 6 ¨point, he put rapidly a link to the ¨genuine ¨ complete document. I had a little concern because I didn't know about the existence of 9 pages.
In fact, when the topic is about massacres perpetrated by EZs, I always mention the absence of serious investigation concerning the alleged corresponding mass graves (or GPR traces of them) and believers don't have many arguments to refute such point.
I wonder how many reported inquiries can be found related with mass graves investigation? Is actually zero?

[Hannover]

Zulu:

Thanks Hannover. In fact, I had read your posts on that topic and I answered to the believer the list of points you mentioned concerning that report.
However, as an answer to the ¨only page 6 ¨point, he put rapidly a link to the ¨genuine ¨ complete document. I had a little concern because I didn't know about the existence of 9 pages.
In fact, when the topic is about massacres perpetrated by EZs, I always mention the absence of serious investigation concerning the alleged corresponding mass graves (or GPR traces of them) and believers don't have many arguments to refute such point.
I wonder how many reported inquiries can be found related with mass graves investigation? Is actually zero?

Actually the entire 'holocaust' fraud is easily debunked due to the the lack of mass graves that are alleged, but cannot be shown.

We have allegations of 6,000,000 Jews and 5,000,000 'others' supposedly killed via the same methods, but there is not a single mass grave which can be shown, not one. It's shockingly simple to refute the entire storyline based upon that fact alone.
It is utterly impossible for such a story to exist without seeing massive human remains.

An example I like to use is the LA Coliseum.



It holds 90,000 people. So we have a tale of 11,000,000 (thats eleven million ) people allegedly murdered in very centralized sites where the locations of enormous mass graves are claimed to be known. Think of Treblinka and the claim that 900,000 Jews were murdered and buried there, that's 10 times the number that the LA coliseum can hold; but we have not and will not see any of the claimed human remains at Treblinka because the claims are lies, simple as that.

The entire scam falls apart on the basic fact that there are no remains as alleged, game over.

- Hannover

The 'holocaust' storyline is one of the most easily debunked narratives ever contrived. That is why those who question it are arrested and persecuted. That is why violent, racist, & privileged Jewish supremacists demand censorship. What sort of truth is it that crushes the freedom to seek the truth? Truth needs no protection from scrutiny.

The tide is turning.

[Zulu]

Zulu:

Thanks Hannover. In fact, I had read your posts on that topic and I answered to the believer the list of points you mentioned concerning that report.
However, as an answer to the ¨only page 6 ¨point, he put rapidly a link to the ¨genuine ¨ complete document. I had a little concern because I didn't know about the existence of 9 pages.
In fact, when the topic is about massacres perpetrated by EZs, I always mention the absence of serious investigation concerning the alleged corresponding mass graves (or GPR traces of them) and believers don't have many arguments to refute such point.
I wonder how many reported inquiries can be found related with mass graves investigation? Is actually zero?

Actually the entire 'holocaust' fraud is easily debunked due to the the lack of mass graves that are alleged, but cannot be shown.

We have allegations of 6,000,000 Jews and 5,000,000 'others' supposedly killed via the same methods, but there is not a single mass grave which can be shown, not one. It's shockingly simple to refute the entire storyline based upon that fact alone.
It is utterly impossible for such a story to exist without seeing massive human remains.

The fact that no serious attempt was made of mass grave excavations on the most important sites of alleged massacres like Babi Yar, is astonishing while faced with the amount of money available by the Holocaust businessmen to do so since the WWII's end.
Why didn't the Soviets try to retaliate against the successful propaganda made by Germany about the findings of the Katyn inquiry, soon after WWII?
Is the answer: they tried but they found nothing relevant?

As comparison, I would mention that for far less important alleged massacres during 1936's Civilian War, Spain made the required effort in order to put the things clear and satisfy the victims' relatives.

Spanish civil war victims' bodies finally removed from mass grave

Spain's government publishes first country-wide map of locations of more than 2,000 mass graves from the civil war
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/m ... mass-grave

Why hasn't this kind of map been made for the so called 'Shoah by Bullets; ?

Information on the map of graves

Pursuant to the provisions of article 12.2. of Law 52/2007 of 26 December which acknowledges and extends rights and establishes measures in favour of those who were the victims of persecution or violence during the Civil War and the Dictatorship, the Spanish Government was commissioned to create an integrated map of the entire national territory showing the areas where the remains of people who disappeared under violent circumstances during the Civil War and the subsequent political repression have been found.

According to the aforementioned article, the data sent by the different competent Public Authorities should be incorporated into this map; for this purpose the relevant collaboration agreements have been signed with several Regional Governments.

Therefore, the data used to create the Map comes from the information sent to the Ministry of Justice by the different Autonomous Regions that signed the collaboration agreements and by Associations, Foundations or Entities dedicated to recovering historical memory, whose research has received subsidies from the Ministry of the Presidency.

These are elementary or basic details about the burial places, some of which have already disappeared, but whose location is known; therefore, those citizens who would like further information should contact the Authority or Entity that provided the information.

http://mapadefosas.mjusticia.es/exovi_e ... macion.htm

[Hektor]

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The fact that no serious attempt was made of mass grave excavations on the most important sites of alleged massacres like Babi Yar, is astonishing while faced with the amount of money available by the Holocaust businessmen to do so since the WWII's end.
Why didn't the Soviets try to retaliate against the successful propaganda made by Germany about the findings of the Katyn inquiry, soon after WWII?
Is the answer: they tried but they found nothing relevant?

As comparison, I would mention that for far less important alleged massacres during 1936's Civilian War, Spain made the required effort in order to put the things clear and satisfy the victims' relatives.

Spanish civil war victims' bodies finally removed from mass grave

Spain's government publishes first country-wide map of locations of more than 2,000 mass graves from the civil war
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/m ... mass-grave

Why hasn't this kind of map been made for the so called 'Shoah by Bullets; ?
...

To be honest, there were apparently some excavations done, but they didn't show anything, you wouldn't expect after a major war. It's usually a couple of bones / skeletons at a place. But I suppose people were killed in battles, sometimes even civilians in the cross line I presume. ?

Anyway the lack of effort into archaeology and forensics after 70 years was also what got me to think again. If they're that certain that they're right, then sure they could use their funds to do some science?! Meanwhile they blast millions on propaganda campaigns or so-called "Holocaust-Education" - Now to me that makes most sense, if there isn't anything worth looking for and all they want to do is to push and use advantages for their agendas.

[Zulu]

To be honest, there were apparently some excavations done, but they didn't show anything, you wouldn't expect after a major war. It's usually a couple of bones / skeletons at a place. But I suppose people were killed in battles, sometimes even civilians in the cross line I presume. ?

Thanks Hektor.
Have we some literature and documents related with these excavations?
I mean investigations made out of the camps which are mentioned in other threads here.
Babi Yar for instance...

[Hektor]

To be honest, there were apparently some excavations done, but they didn't show anything, you wouldn't expect after a major war. It's usually a couple of bones / skeletons at a place. But I suppose people were killed in battles, sometimes even civilians in the cross line I presume. ?

Thanks Hektor.
Have we some literature and documents related with these excavations?
I mean investigations made out of the camps which are mentioned in other threads here.
Babi Yar for instance...

I think there is something on Babi Yar in this movie:
https://archive.org/details/SovietPropa ... sShootings
But it's a soviet propaganda movie that doesn't yield anything that really sticks the claims.
Just showing some pictures of dead people doesn't mean anything, since one can assume that during WW2 a lot of people did indeed die for all kinds of reasons, by all kinds of causes.
What one would need is to investigate an alleged execution site with a mass grave that then can be investigated objectively, telling us:
- who the deceased have been.
- how they died.
- when they died.
- who did kill them. etc.

The Soviets never found the courage to invite a team of independent experts from neutral countries that could do an objective investigation of their claims. Funny how virtually non of the so called "serious historians" asks "why".

Also on Babi Yar:
https://archive.org/details/BabiJarDasV ... neMassaker
https://archive.org/details/YoavShamirsDefamation

The Shamir movie just touches briefly on this, but it's worth watching anyway.