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Pre Hitler National Socialism (?)

Postby Dugong_Terbang » 1 year 3 months ago (Tue Feb 22, 2022 12:13 pm)

Been in discuss with the main topic related to the Holocaust Hoax with the exterminationist, but soon he realized his position on the Holocausty topics are fallen apart, so he decides to evade the main topic debate, circling arround my main argument he strikes:
Hitler are the false National Socialism, he did nothing in the terms of Socialism, he had no Socialist(m) aspects in his NSDAP party the true National Socialism is the Drexler's party (DAP) before the NSDAP exist, the workers in Germany were ver less paid than the other neighboring country (USA, UK, France, USSR), the workhour also insane as high as 72 workhours per week


one of his source of the 72 workhours per week
https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/guides/z ... revision/4

What I know from my opposite is, he is a Paetelian ideology oriented, (a bit same to the Strasserist I assume), he said the Paetelian are better than Strasserist, and the Strasserist are better than National Socialist (or he'll says "Hitlerism"), his arguments is based on all his words that cited from ARPLAN:

https://arplan.org/2019/07/04/german-wo ... ustria/amp

https://arplan.org/2019/08/07/national-labor-movement/

https://arplan.org/2019/09/13/iglau-programme/

https://arplan.org/2019/10/17/german-na ... ers-party/

https://arplan.org/2019/11/11/german-socialist-party/

https://arplan.org/2019/12/11/drexler-p ... awakening/

He struck the NS economics
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I want to ask you what could be the impact possibilities if you privatized the national industries into the private enterprises; And its impact to the Germany National Socialist economy
As soon as the National Socialists came in, they announced that "all efforts at nationalization in recent years would end. State enterprises would again be turned into private enterprises."
Book: “Fascism and big business”

Hitler quote:
"with what rights workers demand a share in the ownership of a capitalist, let alone a share in control?” Turning to Herr Amann, Party Press Leader: “Are you ready to stand up if suddenly your typist starts criticizing? Capitalists have worked their way to the top through their capacity, and on the basis of this selection, which again only proves their superior race, they have the right to lead. Now you want a Government Council or a poor Employment Council that has nothing to say: no leader in economic life will tolerate it."

https://solidarity-us.org/atc/194/antifa5/


And the second from the last, could you give me the exact definition in terms of the NatSoc "National" and "Socialist" and the differences between the NatSoc "Socialism" with the Communist or Marxist "Socialism" as well as the Strasserist "Socialism" that he'd claimed is way better than the NS Germany based on the Germany Tomorrow book
https://archive.org/details/GermanyTomo ... 7/mode/2up

Hence that book, finally I come with the last question
Have you already knows, understand, and likely to criticize the Germany Tomorrow book by the Strasserist ?

-----Thank you-----

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Re: Pre Hitler National Socialism (?)

Postby Lamprecht » 1 year 3 months ago (Tue Feb 22, 2022 6:09 pm)

Some people, usually those who claim to be "real socialists" will claim that Hitler's "National Socialist" party was not "real socialism" and they just quote cherry-picked definitions in order to support this claim. I don't really see the point in dwelling over the name here. Hitler called it "National Socialism" so I use that term in order to not be confusing. It doesn't bother me that others get mad about the word "Socialism" being used. To understand what Hitler's NSDAP was all about, I would start with the 25 points.
Also I think there is a thread at the top of the WWII forum discussing the concept of National Socialism.
"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments, and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance -- that principle is contempt prior to investigation."
— Herbert Spencer


NOTE: I am taking a leave of absence from revisionism to focus on other things. At this point, the ball is in their court to show the alleged massive pits full of human remains at the so-called "extermination camps." After 8 decades they still refuse to do this. I wonder why...

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Postby Otium » 1 year 3 months ago (Tue Feb 22, 2022 10:50 pm)

Nationalsocialism had nothing to do with economics. This is to say Nationalsocialism wasn't a temporal economic ideology.

See: viewtopic.php?f=20&t=13671&p=99738

Economics was a tool for the benefit of the Volksgemeinschaft, nothing more.

Here are two graphics I made a while back.

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As far as I can see these people are complaining that Hitler wasn't a Marxist, which shouldn't be much of a shock.

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Postby hermod » 1 year 3 months ago (Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:13 am)

Economically, National Socialism was a struggle against the excesses of exploitative capitalism and the deceptions of divisive communism. It provided the German workers of all classes with an efficient protection against economic exploitation and social destruction. Only a fool could believe that an unrestrained plundering by ruthless exploiters (unregulated capitalism) or a demolition of his livelihood by so-called 'revolutionaries' (communist pitfall) will improve his own living standards. National Socialism was an alternative to the capitalist enslavement and the communist dead end. In other words, National Socialism thwarted Jewry's economic tools for the domination of Goyim, an unforgivable heresy against Yahweh's New World Order itself (Jewry's Messianic Hopes).



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"[Austen Chamberlain] has done western civilization a great service by refuting at least one of the slanders against the Germans
because a civilization which leaves war lies unchallenged in an atmosphere of hatred and does not produce courage in its leaders to refute them
is doomed.
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Deutsche Allgemeine Zeitung, on the public admission by Britain's Foreign Secretary that the WWI corpse-factory story was false, December 4, 1925

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Postby hermod » 1 year 3 months ago (Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:17 am)

Otium wrote:Here are two graphics I made a while back.

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Good job!! Thanks for sharing those great graphics with us! :cheers:
"[Austen Chamberlain] has done western civilization a great service by refuting at least one of the slanders against the Germans
because a civilization which leaves war lies unchallenged in an atmosphere of hatred and does not produce courage in its leaders to refute them
is doomed.
"

Deutsche Allgemeine Zeitung, on the public admission by Britain's Foreign Secretary that the WWI corpse-factory story was false, December 4, 1925

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Re: Pre Hitler National Socialism (?)

Postby Prussian blue » 1 year 3 months ago (Thu Feb 24, 2022 5:13 am)

Dugong_Terbang wrote:could you give me the exact definition in terms of the NatSoc "National" and "Socialist" and the differences between the NatSoc "Socialism" with the Communist or Marxist "Socialism"



Maybe some quotes from Adolf Hitler are helpful here:
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler

Socialist' I define from the word 'social; meaning in the main 'social equity'. A Socialist is one who serves the common good without giving up his individuality or personality or the product of his personal efficiency. Our adopted term 'Socialist' has nothing to do with Marxian Socialism. Marxism is anti-property; true socialism is not. Marxism places no value on the individual, or individual effort, of efficiency; true Socialism values the individual and encourages him in individual efficiency, at the same time holding that his interests as an individual must be in consonance with those of the community. All great inventions, discoveries, achievements were first the product of an individual brain. It is charged against me that I am against property, that I am an atheist. Both charges are false.

(Speech given on December 28, 1938)

Socialism is the science of dealing with the common weal. Communism is not Socialism. Marxism is not Socialism. The Marxians have stolen the term and confused its meaning. I shall take Socialism away from the Socialists. Socialism is an ancient Aryan, Germanic institution. Our German ancestors held certain lands in common. They cultivated the idea of the common weal. Marxism has no right to disguise itself as socialism. Socialism, unlike Marxism, does not repudiate private property. Unlike Marxism, it involves no negation of personality, and unlike Marxism, it is patriotic. We might have called ourselves the Liberal Party. We chose to call ourselves the National Socialists. We are not internationalists. Our socialism is national. We demand the fulfilment of the just claims of the productive classes by the state on the basis of race solidarity. To us state and race are one.

(Interview with George Sylvester Viereck, 1923)


In order to understand the ideological foundations of National Socialism, it is very instructive to study the writings of Gottfried Feder.
PDF: https://archive.org/details/the-collect ... 1/mode/2up
He was the principal economic theoretician of the initial phase of National Socialism in Germany. His speech at a German Workers’ Party meeting at Munich in 1919 provided the immediate inspiration for Adolf Hitler’s entry into politics. Some quotes from "The German State on a National and Socialist Foundation":

A fundamental question which should be answered in this place once again with all clarity is the question how National Socialism basically stands in relation to property. From the fundamental observations of the first chapter and especially from the fundamental opposition described there to Marxist Socialism there results with natural consequence for National Socialism the fundamental acknowledgement of property. This acknowledgement of private property is too deeply anchored in Aryan life. The creative mind which recognizes the environment, which contemplates the environment in order to create and form therefrom its world, the creative man who wrests its fruits from the earth through hard work, who settles down, builds for himself homes and cities, who, having become settled and rooted in the circle of his kinsmen, his racial comrades, the man who then proceeds on such an infrastructure rooted in the soil to higher culture and creates for himself his – the – world in a higher intellectual
sense, in the fields of philosophy, poetry, music, art and sculpture – this man certainly cannot conceive of it differently than that the works of his hand, which have been born out of his own, are also his property. From this knowledge of the creative man arises directly the respect for the property of others, and law arises.

(p. 16)

Against this not a little frightening interest-capitalistic robber economy National Socialism sets the limitation of the right to property. The principle for this limitation lies in the sentence: "Public interest before self-interest". That this limit for property moreover can be raised very high emerges from the fact that National Socialism will not in any way reject even the largest industrial works, so long as they remain in the private possession of the creators (we think of Krupp, Mannesmann, Thyssen, etc.), as contradicting the interests of the whole, especially when the owners of these large works have a feel for and understanding of social questions and are able to find the right limits between appropriate self-gain from production, an adequate pricing for the sales and the fulfilment of demand of the national economy, and a corresponding and worthy form of participation of the workforce in the revenues of the works.

Here we come to brief fundamental observations on the external forms of production. The powerfully rising German economy before the war [WWI] was distinguished by a very fortunate mixture of big, medium and small businesses. Now, in general, in the tendency to big business there indeed lies a danger for the national economy insofar as the next step above the big business, that no longer serves the fulfilment of demand but the high capitalistic interests of the domination of the market and of the dictatorship of prices. Nevertheless, it is plainly conceded that certain industries can work only as big businesses. This applies to those industrial branches that we generally designate as heavy industries. Without wishing to go into details at this point it may be basically stated that the National Socialist state has no reason to strive for fundamental changes in these external forms of the economy. National Socialism rejects all sorts of "socialization or nationalization" in the Marxist sense. Our economic ideal demands as large a number of economically free existences precisely in the medium and small businesses. We know that only the free and independent men who can freely dispose of their work and their work income are filled with a serious feeling of responsibility with regard to their work, that only on this soil do powerful personalities arise and that only on the soil of freedom and responsibility prospers the sense of the community which unites those bound through common work to a community of life and destiny and therewith makes them a free, self-conscious nation. Only on such a soil can the welfare of the individual be united with the welfare of the whole.

p. 18

Our anti-Marxist battle is directed against the state-disintegrating doctrine of the
Jew Karl Marx, against the people-disintegrating doctrine of class-struggle, against
the economy-disintegrating doctrine of the denial of private property and against the
purely economic materialistic conception of history.

p. 47

Add 23 to the page number to get the corresponding page number of this PDF:
https://archive.org/details/GottfriedFe ... n/mode/1up

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Postby DissentingOpinions » 1 year 3 months ago (Thu Feb 24, 2022 10:18 am)

Try the Holocaust Handbooks Series, maybe one day you'll figure it all out. However, as long as libraries exist & Germar has access to them, they both communicate. Which is why by helping him, we're helping everyone.

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Postby Turpitz » 1 year 3 months ago (Thu Feb 24, 2022 5:34 pm)

I remember, a long time ago, reading some bird's work and she said: Marxism was just the Talmud teachings organised into a digestable format for the Goy. I cannot recall who it was though.

Some people, usually those who claim to be "real socialists" will claim that Hitler's "National Socialist" party was not "real socialism" and they just quote cherry-picked definitions in order to support this claim.


Yes, and everytime an extreme left act of butchery crops up they like to tell you that it wasn't 'real' communisim, but just a blip.

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Postby Dugong_Terbang » 1 year 3 months ago (Thu Feb 24, 2022 8:53 pm)

Prussian blue wrote:
Dugong_Terbang wrote:could you give me the exact definition in terms of the NatSoc "National" and "Socialist" and the differences between the NatSoc "Socialism" with the Communist or Marxist "Socialism"



Maybe some quotes from Adolf Hitler are helpful here:
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler

Socialist' I define from the word 'social; meaning in the main 'social equity'. A Socialist is one who serves the common good without giving up his individuality or personality or the product of his personal efficiency. Our adopted term 'Socialist' has nothing to do with Marxian Socialism. Marxism is anti-property; true socialism is not. Marxism places no value on the individual, or individual effort, of efficiency; true Socialism values the individual and encourages him in individual efficiency, at the same time holding that his interests as an individual must be in consonance with those of the community. All great inventions, discoveries, achievements were first the product of an individual brain. It is charged against me that I am against property, that I am an atheist. Both charges are false.

(Speech given on December 28, 1938)

Socialism is the science of dealing with the common weal. Communism is not Socialism. Marxism is not Socialism. The Marxians have stolen the term and confused its meaning. I shall take Socialism away from the Socialists. Socialism is an ancient Aryan, Germanic institution. Our German ancestors held certain lands in common. They cultivated the idea of the common weal. Marxism has no right to disguise itself as socialism. Socialism, unlike Marxism, does not repudiate private property. Unlike Marxism, it involves no negation of personality, and unlike Marxism, it is patriotic. We might have called ourselves the Liberal Party. We chose to call ourselves the National Socialists. We are not internationalists. Our socialism is national. We demand the fulfilment of the just claims of the productive classes by the state on the basis of race solidarity. To us state and race are one.

(Interview with George Sylvester Viereck, 1923)


In order to understand the ideological foundations of National Socialism, it is very instructive to study the writings of Gottfried Feder.
PDF: https://archive.org/details/the-collect ... 1/mode/2up
He was the principal economic theoretician of the initial phase of National Socialism in Germany. His speech at a German Workers’ Party meeting at Munich in 1919 provided the immediate inspiration for Adolf Hitler’s entry into politics. Some quotes from "The German State on a National and Socialist Foundation":

A fundamental question which should be answered in this place once again with all clarity is the question how National Socialism basically stands in relation to property. From the fundamental observations of the first chapter and especially from the fundamental opposition described there to Marxist Socialism there results with natural consequence for National Socialism the fundamental acknowledgement of property. This acknowledgement of private property is too deeply anchored in Aryan life. The creative mind which recognizes the environment, which contemplates the environment in order to create and form therefrom its world, the creative man who wrests its fruits from the earth through hard work, who settles down, builds for himself homes and cities, who, having become settled and rooted in the circle of his kinsmen, his racial comrades, the man who then proceeds on such an infrastructure rooted in the soil to higher culture and creates for himself his – the – world in a higher intellectual
sense, in the fields of philosophy, poetry, music, art and sculpture – this man certainly cannot conceive of it differently than that the works of his hand, which have been born out of his own, are also his property. From this knowledge of the creative man arises directly the respect for the property of others, and law arises.

(p. 16)

Against this not a little frightening interest-capitalistic robber economy National Socialism sets the limitation of the right to property. The principle for this limitation lies in the sentence: "Public interest before self-interest". That this limit for property moreover can be raised very high emerges from the fact that National Socialism will not in any way reject even the largest industrial works, so long as they remain in the private possession of the creators (we think of Krupp, Mannesmann, Thyssen, etc.), as contradicting the interests of the whole, especially when the owners of these large works have a feel for and understanding of social questions and are able to find the right limits between appropriate self-gain from production, an adequate pricing for the sales and the fulfilment of demand of the national economy, and a corresponding and worthy form of participation of the workforce in the revenues of the works.

Here we come to brief fundamental observations on the external forms of production. The powerfully rising German economy before the war [WWI] was distinguished by a very fortunate mixture of big, medium and small businesses. Now, in general, in the tendency to big business there indeed lies a danger for the national economy insofar as the next step above the big business, that no longer serves the fulfilment of demand but the high capitalistic interests of the domination of the market and of the dictatorship of prices. Nevertheless, it is plainly conceded that certain industries can work only as big businesses. This applies to those industrial branches that we generally designate as heavy industries. Without wishing to go into details at this point it may be basically stated that the National Socialist state has no reason to strive for fundamental changes in these external forms of the economy. National Socialism rejects all sorts of "socialization or nationalization" in the Marxist sense. Our economic ideal demands as large a number of economically free existences precisely in the medium and small businesses. We know that only the free and independent men who can freely dispose of their work and their work income are filled with a serious feeling of responsibility with regard to their work, that only on this soil do powerful personalities arise and that only on the soil of freedom and responsibility prospers the sense of the community which unites those bound through common work to a community of life and destiny and therewith makes them a free, self-conscious nation. Only on such a soil can the welfare of the individual be united with the welfare of the whole.

p. 18

Our anti-Marxist battle is directed against the state-disintegrating doctrine of the
Jew Karl Marx, against the people-disintegrating doctrine of class-struggle, against
the economy-disintegrating doctrine of the denial of private property and against the
purely economic materialistic conception of history.

p. 47

Add 23 to the page number to get the corresponding page number of this PDF:
https://archive.org/details/GottfriedFe ... n/mode/1up


Wow, what an amazing sources you cited !, thank you for the reply

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Postby hermod » 1 year 3 months ago (Fri Feb 25, 2022 12:17 am)

Hitler's Revolution : Ideology, Social Programs, Foreign Affairs (2013), by Richard Tedor

https://archive.org/details/hitlersrevo ... o/mode/2up
"[Austen Chamberlain] has done western civilization a great service by refuting at least one of the slanders against the Germans
because a civilization which leaves war lies unchallenged in an atmosphere of hatred and does not produce courage in its leaders to refute them
is doomed.
"

Deutsche Allgemeine Zeitung, on the public admission by Britain's Foreign Secretary that the WWI corpse-factory story was false, December 4, 1925

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Postby Hektor » 1 year 3 months ago (Fri Feb 25, 2022 12:56 pm)

Lamprecht wrote:Some people, usually those who claim to be "real socialists" will claim that Hitler's "National Socialist" party was not "real socialism" and they just quote cherry-picked definitions in order to support this claim. I don't really see the point in dwelling over the name here. Hitler called it "National Socialism" so I use that term in order to not be confusing. It doesn't bother me that others get mad about the word "Socialism" being used. To understand what Hitler's NSDAP was all about, I would start with the 25 points.
Also I think there is a thread at the top of the WWII forum discussing the concept of National Socialism.


Recall teachers trying to sell it that way. "It's called National Socialism, but it isn't real Socialism" --- indeed it didn't impoverish people like real socialism would do. Needless to say that those teachers were socialist/communist leaning themselves. Although most would dispute that they 'favor a dictatorship'. Although the same people were always quite apologetic, when it came to Stalin, Communism, the Eastern Block and became indignant, when Communist got their assess kicked somewhere in the world.


Mainstream NS favored folk community and the economic policies were dirigistic in nature. There was no seizure of the means of production by the state, though... And that's what socialist envision, government take over of at least "key industries" like banks, mining, steel, large manufacturing, large commercial enterprises. There were of course state agencies and companies under NS, but not to the extent Socialist do prefer. Funny how they say nothing about how the living conditions of workers did indeed improve. Or that during Weimar workers/salaried staff weren't paid their full wages, something businesses had to cough up for in 1933. It simply doesn't fit the narrative they try to spin, just as many other facts don't fit their bill. So it gets omitted, replaced by extrapolated anecdotes or worse even stuff that is entirely without a factual base (at least they didn't show us the evidence for this.... Although they had almost 80 years to do so and tremendous amounts of money being spend to do so).

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Postby Turpitz » 1 year 3 months ago (Fri Feb 25, 2022 3:35 pm)

Needless to say that those teachers were socialist/communist leaning themselves.


All my teachers were pinko/ Marxists, absolute lying scum when I look back now. The dirty, contrived lies that they filled our heads up with were a disgrace to their profession. I should imagine it will be a great deal worse now what with Bolshevism getting a real grip on every facet of life. The communist W.E.F. is churning out these radicalised "Young Global Leaders" who are going to gently caress you all into the black abyss of Green Bolshevism.

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Postby hermod » 1 year 3 months ago (Fri Feb 25, 2022 5:41 pm)

Hektor wrote:Recall teachers trying to sell it that way. "It's called National Socialism, but it isn't real Socialism" --- indeed it didn't impoverish people like real socialism would do. Needless to say that those teachers were socialist/communist leaning themselves. Although most would dispute that they 'favor a dictatorship'. Although the same people were always quite apologetic, when it came to Stalin, Communism, the Eastern Block and became indignant, when Communist got their assess kicked somewhere in the world.


Before, during and after WWII, the Bolsheviks of the USSR even refused to use the words "National Socialists" and "Nazis". They always used the words "fascists", "Hitlerites", and similar names devoid of any reference to socialism.
"[Austen Chamberlain] has done western civilization a great service by refuting at least one of the slanders against the Germans
because a civilization which leaves war lies unchallenged in an atmosphere of hatred and does not produce courage in its leaders to refute them
is doomed.
"

Deutsche Allgemeine Zeitung, on the public admission by Britain's Foreign Secretary that the WWI corpse-factory story was false, December 4, 1925

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Postby Hektor » 1 year 3 months ago (Sat Feb 26, 2022 4:07 am)

hermod wrote:
Hektor wrote:Recall teachers trying to sell it that way. "It's called National Socialism, but it isn't real Socialism" --- indeed it didn't impoverish people like real socialism would do. Needless to say that those teachers were socialist/communist leaning themselves. Although most would dispute that they 'favor a dictatorship'. Although the same people were always quite apologetic, when it came to Stalin, Communism, the Eastern Block and became indignant, when Communist got their assess kicked somewhere in the world.


Before, during and after WWII, the Bolsheviks of the USSR even refused to use the words "National Socialists" and "Nazis". They always used the words "fascists", "Hitlerites", and similar names devoid of any reference to socialism.


I already cringe, when I read 'Nazi'. Using "Fascist" for National Socialists was always a give away that you are dealing with a Communist or somebody heavily influenced by them. If I read "NAZI" (without quotation marks) in a supposedly 'scientific' text, I know that it can be dismissed. Even the better exterminationist works will call it by its name: Nationalsozialisten. Same with German articles... The more thorough ones will deal say "Zeit des Nationalsozialismus".... In Germany, if you have/had contact with contemporaries you got a fundamentally different story from them than what was presented in schools, media and by public figures. Mass media (with 100.000 Euro plus budgets for docus) or someone very articulate (like a teacher, pastor, professor) can of course make something appear far more real than an ordinary person that tries to recall something 50+ years ago. Bear also in mind that prior to WW2 those with "Gymnasium" let alone university education were about 10% of the total population. The average German had perhaps Volksschule and then learned some trade with some of course attending vocational schools. The interest in social / intellectual subjects was however higher than now. And your average worker was more intelligent/informed... Given that those with higher IQs weren't extracted from the working population (education wasn't free) and attending gymnasia to gain access to university type of education, but remained in the social circles that did do manual or technical labor. Reading skills would also be higher given that reading books or newspapers was the main source of information from outside one's own social circle. That has changed drastically meanwhile. Assume that most IQ100plus or even lower attended gymnasia... That the average of the rest is below 100... That the information comes less and less from the social circle, but more and more from movies and social media. And well, assume that those in charge of education are the ones that did break with their (grand-)parents generation quite drastically. The NAZI-whip was used by them as means of infantile/juvenile rebellion.... With those that live through the era in a rather obnoxious position. If they'd try to be objective, they'd be "Nazi Sympathizers"... If they remained silent this would prove "the youngsters" (Who were under the influence of teachers, profs, media aligned with the new Zeitgeist) correct. And views on NS/War were drastically divided as the experiences of Germans may have differed as well. There were the positive experiences of social cohesion... but also negative ones of extreme violence during the war. And then the "confrontation with the Concentration Camp Horrors" later trademarked as "Holocaust".

Those that knew the pre-NS era well, were of course declining in numbers, too. Because that meant you'd have to be born some time before 1900 AND had access to literature, media, education, etc. By 1970 you'd be def. out of positions of power and only have limited influence. So those that understood the Why and What For of NS-Policies would be rather rare and in terms of low numbers and influence rather manageable for those busy driving other agendas. Since the 1970s this was the New Left that was transforming from classical to cultural Marxism, which is the predecessor to present day wokism.

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Re: Pre Hitler National Socialism (?)

Postby Dugong_Terbang » 1 year 2 months ago (Wed Mar 23, 2022 8:52 am)

The reality of the bourgeois position in the German NS almost similar to the American capitalist Neoliberal economy, was its not good for the labours of the Reich ?
A quote by Leon Degrelle Here he compares the German NS economy with the American capitalist Neoliberal economy, it turns out to be very similar, I pick the source from the VHO

How Hitler Consolidated Power in Germany and Launched a Social Revolution by Leon Degrelle
https://web.archive.org/web/20191201141 ... 9-370.html

"Since Hitler, it seems only Ronald Reagan understood this. As President, he realized that restoring prosperity in the United States meant boldly stimulating the economy with credits and drastic tax cuts, rather than waiting for the country to emerge from economic stagnation on its own."
"Hitler always opposed the idea of ​​managing the state economy. He believed in elites. One genius idea," he said, "had more value than a lifetime of hard work in the office."

Just as there are political or intellectual elites, so there are industrial elites. Producers of great ability should not be stifled, hounded by internal revenue services like criminals, or disrespected by the public. On the other hand, it is important for economic development that industrialists are encouraged as much as possible morally and materially.

The most fruitful initiative that Hitler would take since 1933 was on behalf of a private company. He would oversee the quality of their directors, to make sure, and would weed out the incompetent, some of them occasionally, but he also supported the best, those with the sharpest minds, the most imaginative and courageous, even if their political opinions were not. always according to his own opinion."


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