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Article from "Holocaust Controversies" about Jews Transported to The East

Postby LeónOcta » 3 years 4 months ago (Fri Feb 07, 2020 2:01 pm)

I found a fairly recent article pertaining to "Holocaust Controversies" that talks about Jews who were considered unfit to work and were supposedly transported to the East.
The article link I leave below:

http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot. ... d.html?m=1

I recommend reading it from the original page to have access to the photographs it leaves in its path, and to the appendix, which I had the luxury of not quoting it below.

A simple question to corner any Holocaust denier:

Where did the Jews considered unfit for work by the Nazis and "evacuated to the East" go?


On 15 December 1942, Adolf Eichmann's RSHA department on Jewish matters, office IV B4, submitted as "Secret State Affair" an "operation and situation report on the Final Solution of the European Jewish Question" (not preserved). Himmler was discontent with the elaboration, which he considered "lacking professional accuracy" (image on the left, microfilm quality). He, therefore, ordered on 18 January 1943 his chief statistician Richard Korherr to take over and analyse the data collected at Eichmann's office (BArch NS 19/1577).

On 23 March 1943, Korherr provided a 16 pages long document "The Final Solution of the European Jewish Question" covering the period up to 31 December 1942 to Himmler. On 19 April 1943, he forwarded to Himmler's staff a shorter summary extending the period covered to 31 March 1943. This short version was meant to get incorporated into a larger (not preserved) report on the Final Solution for Adolf Hitler by the RSHA (BArch NS 19/1570, scans, text in German/English).

According to Korherr, about 2.6 Million European Jews had been "evacuated" eastwards by the Nazis. Taking into account double-counting, forced labour selections, and transports not destined to the extermination camps Auschwitz, Belzec, Kulmhof, Sobibor, and Treblinka, the figure of Jews "evacuated to the East" between June 1941 and April 1943 not accounted for by Holocaust deniers amounts to about 2.3 Million (see the appendix for details).

Even with combined forces, the Holocaust deniers Carlo Mattogno, Thomas Kues and Jürgen Graf were not able to tackle the issue. In their inverted comma orgy The "Extermination Camps" of "Aktion Reinhardt" [TECOAR], they waffle about Jews fit for work deported through Europe or direct transports to the East but did not explain the fate of the unfit Jews deported to the extermination camps. Graf eventually admits in the epilogue "that we are unable to produce German wartime documents about the destination and the fate of the deportees" (TECOAR, p. 1503).

It's easy to see why the claim that the Jews were not killed in the extermination camps but resettled further East is a lie: according to contemporary German documents, the mass of the "evacuated" Jews did not show up in the occupied Soviet areas under civilian administration, while the military governed areas were partisan populated/endangered and largely free of Jews (map in Figure 1 above).

Holocaust deniers refer to the Pripet Marshes, located in the North of the Reichskommissariat Ukraine and the South of the Generalkommissariat Weissruthenien as possible resettlement areas (insinuated by Mattogno, Graf and Kues, Sobibor, TECOAR, p. 597ff.; explicitly mentioned by Steffen Werner, Die zweite babylonische Gefangenschaft).

The deportation of hundreds of thousands of Jews into the Pripet Marshes in 1942 would have been incomprehensible. The "evacuated" Jews were largely unfit for work and could not have been employed for heavy work in the area.

The Pripet Marshes were also subjected to severe partisan activity. Himmler was scared already by the concentration of less than 30,000 Jews in the Ghetto of Pinsk, which he considered "as the centre of all gang fighting in the Pripet swamps" and ordered "to immediately dissolve and destroy the Pinsk ghetto" in October 1942 (image on the left, photographed at the exhibition Topographie des Terrors in Berlin).

Another example that partisan areas were as a matter of course cleared of Jews rather than a destination for deportations: on 4 October 1942, the quartermaster of the rear army area 550 (West North-Caucasus region) ordered that "30 Jewish families from the partisan area...are to be deported to Armavir" (NARA, T501/R69). Now if already 30 Jewish families posed a problem for the Nazis - what would 2.3 Million of them be then?

Moreover, during the mass deportations of Jews to Auschwitz, Belzec, Kulmhof, Sobibor, Treblinka, the Generalkommissariat Weissruthenien saw actually a decrease of its Jewish population - already decimated by the Einsatzgruppen shootings in 1941 - from 150,000 to 30,000 Jews by April 1943. So instead of taking up hundreds of thousands of Jews, the authorities worked hard to reduce the Jewish population, including those directly deported from Western parts of Europe. By July 1943, the Reichskommissariat Ostland counted about 72,000 Jews and was ordered to decrease the Jewish population to 50,000. [1]

Likewise, by April 1943, the Reichskommissariat Ukraine was almost free of Jews after the systematic extermination of its remaining Jewish population in 1942 (resulting in the 363,211 Jewish death toll presented by the Higher SS and Police Leader Hans-Adolf Prützmann at the end of 1942).

On 31 December 1942, the Generalkommissar Wolhynien (whose area included a large portion of the Pripet swamps) stated on the "Jewry" that "the cleansing of the area is almost completed" (see also Holocaust Denial & Himmler's Report to Hitler on "Jews executed: 363,211"). By April 1943, the Reichskommissar Ukraine no longer reported on Jews. On 8 July 1943, Adolf Hitler quoted the Gauleiter Erich Koch that "the Jews are all gone". On 25 November 1943, the Hauptmann der Schutzpolizei Josef Ruhr, whose police battalion 306 had been assigned to the Pripet Marshes in the second half of 1942, gave a lecture on the "Battalion's special action to solve the Jewish question. Ukraine free of Jews". [2]

Thus, if deniers' "resettlement" assertion was true, 2.3 Million Jews - mostly unfit for work and useless eaters according to the Nazis - had to be sent to the army rear area. Such a huge population movement into the back of the fighting army - to areas with alarming partisan activity or along the army supply routes - seems incomprehensible both from the Nazis' point of view, who considered the Jews as "dangerous elements", and from that of the military forces. There is also not a shred of evidence for any large scale deportation of unfit Jews and the existence of numerous Jewish camps with the size of Auschwitz in the military-controlled Eastern area (no indication of camps, supplies, guards, survivors, etc.).

The northern military sector around Pskov had been free of Jews by April 1942 and the situation reports of the Befehlshaber im Heeresgebiet Nord from the subsequent months do not mention any Jews or deportation of Jews in the area. Note also that according to the report for August 1942, the Security Police and the army declined the installation of a concentration camp for oil shale works in Slanzy because of lack of guards, materials and workforce. [3]

The Einsatzgruppen had also largely decimated the Jews in the centre military sector. In early 1942, the army counted no more than 22.767 Jews in the military-controlled part of Weissruthenien. More than one year later, by mid-1943, only 1.615 Jews were accommodated in the forced labour camps of Organisation Todt.[4] In addition, the area was heavily populated by partisans. The systematic mass murder of the Jews there was carried out under the pretext of Jews being per definition dangerous elements. Accordingly, it can be ruled out that the Nazis sent a large number of (non-working) Jews into this area.

The southern military sector was also virtually free of Jews according to army reports of areas screened for this posting (i.e. all except those for the oblasts Kharkiv and Zaporizhzhia; the Krim can be discarded as deportation target since heavy fighting was going on until July 1942).

About 1.7 Million mostly unfit Jews allegedly "evacuated" eastwards through Auschwitz, Belzec, Kulmhof, Sobibor, and Treblinka did not show up in the East. There is no trace of them after being sent to these camps.

As follows from a letter by Rudolf Brandt of 10 April 1943, Korherr had originally written in the long version of his statistical report that the "evacuations" to camps in the Warthegau and the Generalgouvernement, i.e. in Kulmhof, Belzec, Sobibor and Treblinka meant "special treatment of Jews", The term "special treatment" was the default euphemism for killings by the German paramilitary forces (see Mattogno's special treatment of evidence, Rebuttal of Mattogno on Auschwitz and Sonderkommando Kulmhof in German Documents - The Extermination of 100,000 Jews). By April 1943, the term was already too widely known that Himmler prohibited its use in such extremely incriminating context and ordered the innocent formulation "transportation" instead.

Indeed, according to Korherr's conclusion, the "evacuated" Jews were "lost" to European Jewry and were counted as "off-going", yet did not go to other continents. They were thus considered as dead - exactly as corroborated by the body of evidence on the extermination camps. Another 633,300 "evacuated" Jews disappeared in the occupied Russian territories. This number corresponds approximately to the mass killings of Jews reported by the Einsatzgruppen to the RSHA (Kruglov, К вопросу о количестве евреев, уничтоженных эйнзатцгруппами в 1941-1943 гг). They were thus shot and gassed by the Einsatzgruppen (on gas vans, see the series Rebuttal of Alvarez on Gas Vans and Mattogno, his Einsatzgruppen book and the Gas Vans).

The use of "evacuation" (also "resettlement") to the East was the main cover-up scheme for the genocide of the Jews. The explanation worked up to the gates of the extermination camps, which were run by special forces bound to the highest level of secrecy (see also What's There to Hide? Camouflage and Secrecy of Nazi Extermination Sites). Whether for the Jewish victims themselves or the Jews who stayed back, whether for the local population or the authorities, whether for police forces rounding up and guarding the Jews or train conductors - none did have to officially know any more than the Jews were evacuated to the East (of course, unofficially, the information about the mass murder leaked through by escaped prisoners, outside observers and indiscretion and was all over the place).

In his infamous Posen speech on 4 October 1943, Himmler took up this cover-up scheme when he explained to his leading SS officers frankly that "I am talking about the 'Jewish evacuation': the extermination of the Jewish people".

Holocaust Denial

Most sources in reference [1, 2] have been cited already in Holocaust Controversies' critique of the deniers Mattogno, Graf & Kues, but were ignored in Kues' chapter in TECOAR, which failed to clear up the fate of the Jews. While bothering about small groups of Jews fit for work from Western areas, trainloads of goods and furniture stolen from Dutch Jews arriving in Vilna and mostly Ukrainian and Romanian Jews fit for work doing heavy forced labour along the Durchgangsstraße IV in Ukraine, he totally missed the point that no masses of Jews evacuated from the mentioned Nazi-controlled areas appeared in the Reichskommissariate Ostland and Ukraine.

(And Mattogno? He cared only about irrelevant matters - the way of citing and the present tense in the first two sentences of Koch's statement - instead of addressing the content; TECOAR, p.785).

Fun fact: Steffen Werner suggested in "Die zweite babylonische Gefangenschaft" (1990) that "the Jews were settled in the eastern part of White Ruthenia" and "are still held in a kind of captivity by the Soviet Union today!" Even Jürgen Graf, not exactly the sharpest knife among "Revisionists", had to admit that Werner's explanation has to be regarded "as impossible" - which is obvious since the Soviet Union ceased to exist and the hidden Jews did not turn up.

But also the former (no longer active) denier high-flyer (compared to the rest) Thomas Kues speculated about the lack of "evacuated" Jews after the war that "a large portion of them, together with the surviving deported Western Jews, were kept as prisoners behind the Iron Curtain and most likely deported to and hidden away in northern Russia or Siberia, so that Stalin could consolidate the myth of the extermination of Jews in 'gas chambers'" (TECOAR, p.755).

Apparently, Holocaust deniers prefer to make fools out of themselves by advancing even the most bizarre and nonsensical theories, then to admit the fact that the Nazis mass murdered the Jews.

In the big picture, there was no place where the Jews, who disappeared in the camps Auschwitz, Belzec, Kulmhof, Sobibor, and Treblinka, went to during the period of the Nazi reign and occupation. It is a straightforward refutation of the "Revisionist" transit camp claim and poses an existential challenge to Holocaust denial.

For the most part, deniers try to elude the whole issue by discussing only isolated, cherry-picked regions:

When looking at Auschwitz or Kulmhof, the East is supposed to have absorbed all unfit Jews who got lost in these camps. Talking about the 1.25 Million Jews that disappeared in Belzec, Sobibor and Treblinka, they like to point to the Reichskommissariate Ostland and Ukraine as an unlimited reservoir to take up Jews. The decimation of Jews in the Reichskommissariate Ostland and Ukraine is barely mentioned and going on the military-controlled areas along the Eastern front is avoided like the plague by deniers so not give up their last place of retreat.

But if the Jewish population in all regions is taken into account at the same time, the trick to shift missing Jews from one area under discussion into another only treated as a black box does not work anymore. Then the time has come to place all the cards on the table and be frank.

The Jews "unsuitable for work" vanishing from Auschwitz and Kulmhof did not pop up in the Generalgouvernement cause its Jewish population was eliminated only leaving behind forced labourers. The Jews cleared from the Generalgouvernement were not "resettled" into the partisan populated pripet swamps and the Reichskommissariate Ukraine and Ostland, which were depleted of Jews. The Jews gone from these Reichskommissariate were not exchanged between each other or pushed into the back of the fighting Eastern army and the partisan areas, which was largely free of Jews.

It's game over for Holocaust Denial. Again and again.


References

[1] Protocol of a speech of Eduard Strauch of 10 April 1943, Benz, Einsatz im Reichskommissariat Ostland, p. 235; Memo of 20 August 1943 on a conference of 13 July 1943, NO-1831, Trials of War Criminals Before the Nuernberg Military Tribunals, Volume 13, p. 1021.

[2] Situation report of Generalkommissar Wolhynien of 31 December 1942, Pohl et al., Der deutsche Krieg im Osten 1941-1944: Facetten einer Grenzüberschreitung, p. 184; situation report of Reichskommissar Ukraine, Belzec, Sobibor, Treblinka. Holocaust Denial and Operation Reinhard, p. 266; meeting of Adolf Hitler with Wilhelm Keitel and Kurt Zeitzler of 8 July 1943, Madajczyk, Rozstrzygnięcie przez Hitlera sporu o metody eksploatacji zasobów ludzkich okupowanej Europy Wschodniej, p. 171; notes by Josef Ruhr for a lecture on 25 November 1943, Gerlach, Kalkulierte Morde, p. 715.

[3] Ereignismeldung UdSSR no 189 of 3 April 1942, Mallmann et al., Deutsche Berichte aus dem Osten 1942-1943. Dokumente der Einsatzgruppen in der Sowjetunion III, p. 256; monthly reports of Befehlshaber im Heeresgebiet Nord for July, August & September 1942 (entries on Jews lacking), NARA T501/R14.

[4] Gerlach, Kalkulierte Morde, p. 684 & 688.

[5] Situation report of Befehlshaber Heeresgebiet Don of 7 December 1942 ("Jews have only been sporadically identified in the army area"); Situation report of Oberfeldkommandantur Donez of 24 September 1942 ("Significant numbers of Jews only exist in the Woroschilowgrad area, e.g. in the city of Woroschilowgrad 1038, in Woroschilowsk around 100."); Situation report of Feldkommandantur 503 of 12 January 1943 (entry on Jews lacking); Oberfeldkommandantur 399 of 20 December 1942 (entry on Jews lacking), situation report of Feldkommandantur 239 of 2 December 1942 ("Otherwise [apart from one Jewess], as far as could be determined, Jews have so far not appeared"), situation report of Ortskommandantur 259 of 4 August 1942 ("only two Jews"), situation report of Feldkommandantur 668 of 4 October 1942 ("The Jews identified in the area were evacuated by the SD"), NARA T501/R19.


I know very well that answer of "as there is no evidence that there were gas chambers or mass graves, the fate of those Jews can be anyone but extermination." I know her very well and I think the same. But I would like the issue of these transported Jews to be addressed correctly and precisely:

Is the number of transported Jews really so high?
Were they really transported to the East?
What happened to them?

Sorry for my English and thanks in advance :cheers:

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Re: Article from "Holocaust Controversies" about Jews Transported to The East

Postby Hannover » 3 years 4 months ago (Fri Feb 07, 2020 5:43 pm)

Why ask us when Jews themselves say what happened to them?

They say they were murdered by impossible methods and went to immense mass graves. So there it is.

They also claim that those alleged enormous mass graves exist in precisely known locations.
Yet there are no such human remains, hence the 'holocaust' Big Lie falls apart based upon what Jews themselves say.
ex.:
Alleged location of Treblinka mass graves / remains of 900,000 Jews according to Jews and Treblinka officials, yet no such remains exist.
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There are, however, plenty of examples which further demolish the absurd and impossible storyline, and Jews simply went where Jews are.:

- The “Extermination Camps” of “Aktion Reinhardt”, An Analysis and Refutation of Factitious “Evidence,” Deceptions and Flawed Argumentation of the “Holocaust Controversies” Bloggers[/i]: By Jürgen Graf , Carlo Mattogno , Thomas Kues: https://codoh.com/library/document/3052/?lang=en

- Aktion Reinhardt Camps / Holo. Controversies Debunked Again! : viewtopic.php?f=2&t=8145

- Excavation Result: No Enormous Human Remains as Alleged at Babi Yar ... of course: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11314

WJC’s Stephen Wise said 1,250,000 – 1,500,000 Polish Jews homeless in Europe, outside of Poland, & alive after WWII: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10191

Influx of 3,000,000 JEWS; Tells Newspaper Executives in Germany That Refugees Have Created Grave Problem: download/file.php?id=2160
https://archive.is/Jw6EM

After the war, many Jews stayed in Europe and many others scattered throughout the world, settling in nearly sixty countries. So it was that in the late 1990s the teams put in charge by Steven Spielberg of gathering survivors’ testimonies had to go to nearly sixty different countries to record the said testimonies on video

Jews Transited through Treblinka, By Panagiotis Heliotis : https://codoh.com/library/document/6649/?lang=en

Jews evacuated to USSR during war
https://archive.is/jA9iI

more Jews evacuated to USSR during war
https://www.jta.org/1944/02/23/archive/ ... r-refugees
exc.:
“Since the outbreak of the war hundreds of thousands of Jews from Poland, Rumania and the Baltic countries have been given shelter in the U.S.S.R., and many of them were permitted to pass through Russia en route to the United States and to Palestine.”

Scholar J. Graf on the illogical canard: ‘Where did Jews go then?’ / & more’: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=8272

- What Happened to Jews Sent to the Aktion Reinhardt Camps?, by John Wear : http://www.unz.com/article/what-happene ... rdt-camps/

- Babi Yar: The [alleged] Einsatzgruppen 'Killings' : http://www.unz.com/article/babi-yar/

- Excavation Result: No Enormous Human Remains as Alleged at Babi Yar ... of course: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11314

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Re: Article from "Holocaust Controversies" about Jews Transported to The East

Postby Lamprecht » 3 years 4 months ago (Fri Feb 07, 2020 10:34 pm)

Ah, the old "Then where did they go?" question

Unfortunately we can never have all of the answers. There are countless historical mysteries. Maybe one day someone will invent a time machine. Until then, we can only speculate. As an exercise Google "unsolved mysteries in history" and spend time looking through the 10 million results.

Those who ask this question claim that millions of Jews went into enormous pits. The pits cannot be shown to exist anywhere close to the quantities alleged, and revisionists accept that thousands (rather than millions) perished in WWII concentration camps. If we are to accept the premise that 95-98% of those transited to these camps (the remainder would be deaths in transit or executions via bullet) didn't die that doesn't tell us exactly where they went. It is an interesting question, and it has been answered "Jews went wherever Jews are" or "somewhere other than the alleged pits" but that is also not very specific. At the same time I am not aware of any revisionist who claims to have so many complete, 7+ decade old travel itineraries for these Jews in war-torn Europe. If they were transited to the east, then after the war they would have been under Soviet control. They also had perfectly functional feet and could theoretically move around using them.

Goebbels in his diary, 27 April 1942:
"I talked to the Führer once more in detail about the Jewish Question. His attitude is unrelenting. He wants, under all circumstances, to push the Jews out (herausdrängen) of Europe. That is right. The Jews have brought so much misery to our continent that the severest punishment meted out to them is still too mild. Himmler is presently implementing a large resettlement (Umseidlung) of Jews from German cities to the eastern ghettos."

Goebbels stated that Jews were being resettled in Eastern ghettos, and laments that it is "too mild" of a policy. In other instances in his diary, particularly in the final months of the war (the AR camps dismantled at this point) Goebbels states that the Jews "are reemerging" and his opinion is that "Anyone in a position to do so should kill these Jews like rats (wie die Ratten totschlagen)." So you would think that he would have endorsed any extermination policy if it existed and I don't see why Goebbels would have been in the dark about such a policy if it was real.
These and other similar Goebbels diary quotes here: viewtopic.php?p=95512#p95512

We can also see many ghettos in the eastern territories that could be candidates for this "large resettlement" he spoke of:
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These places all were under Soviet control after the war. So if there were train records, the Soviets could do with them what they wanted. For all of these massive trainloads of Jews to the AR camps, we should expect (if the extermination claim is true) just as many outbound, empty [of people] train records. We have fewer than 1% of the outbound records for these camps that we should expect so it is not reasonable to speculate about what the other 99%+ contained in them based only on those records. There is a lot of talk of Nazis destroying incriminating documents but very little talk of Soviets (or other allies) destroying exonerating documents. Probably, both sides destroyed documents for their own benefit. After all, the Soviets (notorious document forgers) tried to blame Katyn on the Germans and the USA helped them do it, so destroying exonerating documents is not far fetched. I wouldn't put it past the USA or British either.

There is another factor regarding the USSR, and that is their almost complete cut-off with the Western World; and there wasn't just a language barrier. A good example to illustrate this point is Robert Robinson, a Black American who went to the USSR to get a job during the great depression. The US Embassy cancelled his American passport so he became a Soviet citizen. He tried to leave the USSR to visit his sick mother in Jamaica and at this point he realized that the USSR was essentially a prison. He wrote a book about his experiences in the USSR and USA about the people that helped him escape and such things as racism he experienced.

I wanted to make a thread about a specific concept and probably will at a later date, and that concept is known as:
Falsifiability
Falsifiability means that for any hypothesis to have credence, it must be inherently disprovable.

In the case of
"These specific Jews who went to [specific location] 70+ years ago with [specific location 2] as an intermediate step"
it would be very difficult to prove if there are no relevant records and they were able to move around. But if that changes to
"They went to [specific location] and never left, and remain there to this day in some form"
it is now an easily testable theory. And that is precisely what is asserted by the "Holocaust" narrative. But the alleged pits are not shown to us. All we are given is pathetic excuses -- all the while those who speak out in Poland, Germany, France, etc are fined and imprisoned for it.

So when asked "Then where did they go?" it is perfectly valid to say "I do not know" - but it is invalid for someone to conclude "therefore, they are in these enormous pits, and no I don't have to show you the pits!"
First, they must show the alleged pits. Until then, they merely have a theory with an artificially contrived consensus based on legal [and social] penalties for those who publicly question it. It can be falsified in the same manner that it can be shown to be correct. They refuse to do such a thing despite having the resources and technology to do so. Therefore, their case is considerably weakened.

It can only be after these thorough archaeological excavations that the truth about these camps will be revealed, whether it is resettled "into mass graves" or "somewhere else." The image below is what we are told actually exists, today, under a layer of soil.

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And if the investigations show that they did go "somewhere else" we can try to find out where. But we are unlikely to find new evidence 7+ decades after the fact (unless it was hidden rather than destroyed).
And in such a case, "Jews went wherever Jews are" still is not specific, but it would be perfectly accurate and valid. And I doubt many people would be interested in a more comprehensive answer after the "gassed and burned and dumped into huge pits" theory is completely discredited. Millions of pounds of physical evidence cannot vanish, unlike documents.

So if anyone has the right to ask the question "where did they go then?" it is the revisionists. The exterminationists claim to know where the 1.5+ million Treblinka 2, Sobibor, and Belzec victims went. Ask them to show you and they might provide a map with shapes on it they call "mass graves". Perfect, so they know exactly where they went down to the meter? Then they can show us a pit full of burnt human remains. If they can't do that, why believe them?



Just imagine being charged with murder in a court of law, and the prosecution states that the victims are buried in precisely known locations. Your lawyer asks 'show us these buried remains' and the prosecution says 'no, we don't have to. If the victims aren't there, then where did they go?' :lol: :roll:
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NOTE: I am taking a leave of absence from revisionism to focus on other things. At this point, the ball is in their court to show the alleged massive pits full of human remains at the so-called "extermination camps." After 8 decades they still refuse to do this. I wonder why...

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Re: Article from "Holocaust Controversies" about Jews Transported to The East

Postby borjastick » 3 years 4 months ago (Sat Feb 08, 2020 3:33 am)

Yeah as usual Holocaust Controversies try to blind, obscure and obfuscate with reams of chit chat while all the time ignoring the elephant in the room.

As I have always said the holocaust is a very large but very simple subject matter. If these 2m plus jews existed, and that is a question worthy of consideration, then they went somewhere. They were either murdered in the claimed gas chambers at Auschwitz in which case there would be massive evidence for same and mass graves etc, or they were sent elsewhere. If they were sent elsewhere then they would have been in the vast open areas of eastern Europe during a time of great war upheaval and then post war restrictions as the communist bloc evolved into the USSR etc.

It really isn't too difficult. There are no remains, mass graves or piles of human remains and there wasn't the capacity and fuel to have burned them all. Plus of course there was the time implication, another thing HC and those who 'believe' wish to ignore. The cremation of such numbers would have taken years.
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