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Re: Source of "blond hair blue eyes" myth?

Postby Hektor » 1 decade 5 months ago (Sun Dec 30, 2012 9:10 pm)

friedrichjansson wrote:In that case, I would suggest using "racialist" and "ethnonationalist" rather than "racist" and "apartheid," as the latter terms are highly rhetorically charged.

The real official name of Apartheid was separate development. If you read the summary of the former National Party, this really sounds very reasonable. It tried to uplift Blacks without putting the interests of Whites to much at risks. Liberals and Jews (checkout who were the Rivonia Trialists) really hated that.
friedrichjansson wrote:As far as Japan is concerned, it is highly racialist. Naturalization for a non-Japanese is next to impossible. It's difficult even for foreign-born Japanese - they are regarded as culturally alien. But nobody calls Japan racist, because people who say they are anti-racist are really just anti-white. Only whites are ever called racist.
Noticed that as well. Could Japan's ethno-racial homogeneity and closedness be the reasons for the countries success and prosperity?

Take a look at the corruption index and compare the top ten to the bottom ten countries. Then check "how blonde" each of those groups are :D .

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Re: Source of "blond hair blue eyes" myth?

Postby greatmystery » 4 months 1 week ago (Mon Jan 30, 2023 4:05 pm)

This thread inspired my latest article.
https://www.holocaust.claims/general/misconceptions/

Also, I remember stories of kids being seperated in class by eye color and then the non blued eyed kids were told that they would have been targeted by Hitler or something like that. I didn't add this to my article because I have nothing to substantiate it. Does anyone else remember such Holocaust lessons?

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Re: Source of "blond hair blue eyes" myth?

Postby hermod » 4 months 1 week ago (Tue Jan 31, 2023 9:17 pm)

That canard was part of the Holohoax story before the "Holocaust" had even begun...

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"[Austen Chamberlain] has done western civilization a great service by refuting at least one of the slanders against the Germans
because a civilization which leaves war lies unchallenged in an atmosphere of hatred and does not produce courage in its leaders to refute them
is doomed.
"

Deutsche Allgemeine Zeitung, on the public admission by Britain's Foreign Secretary that the WWI corpse-factory story was false, December 4, 1925

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Re: Source of "blond hair blue eyes" myth?

Postby hermod » 4 months 1 week ago (Tue Jan 31, 2023 9:41 pm)

Balsamo wrote:I don't understand the topic.
What is a myth ?


The false belief that an Aryan is necessarily a blue-eyed & blond-haired person is a myth. Aryanism was a pre-Nazi thing and it was not a German thing.

Ironically, the Auschwitz hoax of WW1 --- aka the Corpse-Factory Story --- made a notorious British Aryanist (named Laurence Waddell) claim that the Germans were not Aryans. And as we all know, the Auschwitz hoax of WW2 --- aka the Death-Camp Story --- made antirevisionist historians claim that there is not such a thing as Aryans, that anti-Semitism & White Nationalism turn people into bloodthirsty monsters, and that the state of Israel is not a territorial holdup.

"[Austen Chamberlain] has done western civilization a great service by refuting at least one of the slanders against the Germans
because a civilization which leaves war lies unchallenged in an atmosphere of hatred and does not produce courage in its leaders to refute them
is doomed.
"

Deutsche Allgemeine Zeitung, on the public admission by Britain's Foreign Secretary that the WWI corpse-factory story was false, December 4, 1925

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Re: Source of "blond hair blue eyes" myth?

Postby hermod » 4 months 1 week ago (Tue Jan 31, 2023 9:57 pm)

hermod wrote:That canard was part of the Holohoax story before the "Holocaust" had even begun...

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The Great Dictator:
- We've just discovered the most wonderful poison gas. It will kill everybody

- All right. Later.

[…]

A strike at the arms factory.

- The leader?

- Five of them.

- Have them shot.

- They were.

- How many were going to strike?

- Three thousand of them.

- Have them all shot. I don't want dissatisfied workers.

- These men are skilled craftsmen.

- Let's train others first, then shoot them! Cannot afford to be lenient.

- The rhythm of production will be affected. Rhythm...

- All right, have your rhythm. Spare the strikers and permit them to return to work. But mark them for future reference.

- That's my department. I'll attend to that.

- This way.

- The strike leaders are all brunettes. Not one blond. Troublemakers! Worse than Jews.

- Then wipe them out!

- "Doucement". We'll get rid of the Jews first, then concentrate on the brunettes. We shall never have peace till we have a pure Aryan race. How wonderful! Tomainia, a nation of blue-eyed blonds. Why not a blond Europe, Asia, America?

- And a brunette dictator.

- Of the world! Why not? Aut Caesar aut nullus. The world's effete, worn out, afraid. No nation would dare oppose you. Dictator of the World! It's your destiny. We'll kill off the Jews, wipe out the brunettes, then will come forth a pure Aryan race. Beautiful blond Aryans. They will love you, they will worship you as a god.

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"[Austen Chamberlain] has done western civilization a great service by refuting at least one of the slanders against the Germans
because a civilization which leaves war lies unchallenged in an atmosphere of hatred and does not produce courage in its leaders to refute them
is doomed.
"

Deutsche Allgemeine Zeitung, on the public admission by Britain's Foreign Secretary that the WWI corpse-factory story was false, December 4, 1925

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Re: Source of "blond hair blue eyes" myth?

Postby greatmystery » 4 months 1 week ago (Wed Feb 01, 2023 11:21 am)

hermod wrote:That canard was part of the Holohoax story before the "Holocaust" had even begun...

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They memed it into reality.

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Re: Source of "blond hair blue eyes" myth?

Postby hermod » 4 months 6 days ago (Wed Feb 01, 2023 5:09 pm)

greatmystery wrote:
hermod wrote:That canard was part of the Holohoax story before the "Holocaust" had even begun...

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They memed it into reality.


Didn't you rather mean "(((They))) finally succeeded in inserting their oft-repeated propaganda theme into history books"?

The antirevisionist conspiracy theory that the Nazis used only genocidal code words & euphemisms, verbal orders within a small circle of very few initiated insiders and some post-facto evidence-obliteration squads in order to preserve the secrecy of a thing one could be told about in any movie theater, is beyond absurdity and ridiculousness... :shock:
"[Austen Chamberlain] has done western civilization a great service by refuting at least one of the slanders against the Germans
because a civilization which leaves war lies unchallenged in an atmosphere of hatred and does not produce courage in its leaders to refute them
is doomed.
"

Deutsche Allgemeine Zeitung, on the public admission by Britain's Foreign Secretary that the WWI corpse-factory story was false, December 4, 1925

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Re: Source of "blond hair blue eyes" myth?

Postby Hektor » 4 months 6 days ago (Wed Feb 01, 2023 10:05 pm)

greatmystery wrote:
hermod wrote:That canard was part of the Holohoax story before the "Holocaust" had even begun...

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They memed it into reality.


At what minutes is that said in the movie?

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Re: Source of "blond hair blue eyes" myth?

Postby hermod » 4 months 6 days ago (Thu Feb 02, 2023 10:19 am)

Hektor wrote:
hermod wrote:That canard was part of the Holohoax story before the "Holocaust" had even begun...

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At what minutes is that said in the movie?


At the 51st and 52nd minutes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHZ46sQkzqU
"[Austen Chamberlain] has done western civilization a great service by refuting at least one of the slanders against the Germans
because a civilization which leaves war lies unchallenged in an atmosphere of hatred and does not produce courage in its leaders to refute them
is doomed.
"

Deutsche Allgemeine Zeitung, on the public admission by Britain's Foreign Secretary that the WWI corpse-factory story was false, December 4, 1925

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Re: Source of "blond hair blue eyes" myth?

Postby Hektor » 4 months 6 days ago (Thu Feb 02, 2023 11:49 am)

hermod wrote:....
At the 51st and 52nd minutes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHZ46sQkzqU



The release that for the movie was October 1940, which came at the Western Campaign that was successful for Germany/Axis. It came out at a stage were there was potential for peace efforts between Allies/Axis. Apparently some folks weren't to eager on this happening.

Movies need to be script-written, planned, produced, edited etc. Bot the scriptwriting and production process take time.
The production actually took place from August 1939 onward:
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/arti ... 20Dictator

This still leaves time for script-writing and planning, which would be at least month before that date.
The cost for production budget was given at US$ 2.000.000 which was a substantial amount of money at the time. How that compares with other movie productions would be interesting to see.

Given the popularity of Chaplin, it can be assumed that it was aimed for maximum audience in the US, but also other English-Speaking countries. My guess is that movies were far more influential at the time, given the novelty and lack of competition of other media. That would impress far stronger on the audience than other media, since it also reaches people that usually don't read or listen to long radio programs.

One may of course asked what the intentions of the sponsor with this elaborate piece of art was.

Theming of the movie is of course:
* Evil, lunatic, ridiculous Nazis. (that want to kill all Jews (and brunettes) and conquer the whole world)
* Poor, innocent, oppressed, heroic Jews.
That's the impression they tried to take. Arguably an educated audience doesn't get its 'facts' and 'information' from entertainment movies. But that underestimates the power of cultural products on the thinking of people. Informally addressed, sublime information is far more powerful on the mind than direct, formal, sober information given to a person. In fact the later tends to go in the one ear and go out at the other even more easily. Information that either shocks or entertains the person is far more likely to be processed longer and deeper. I mean the whole advertising industry works on those premises.

One may ask why people in the US were bothered that much with what was happening in Europe EVEN before world war two. Sure, most were not, but others obviously had this as a priority. People with interest and power in the movie industry. There goal would obviously be a world war with American engagement in it.

It's almost funny how the movie was a cartoon version of people's post war idea about the era. NS-Germany, Second World War and the 'Holocaust'. Notably this was set into stage substantially long before WW2 although this was done during an era, when Hitler was Chancellor of Germany.

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Re: Source of "blond hair blue eyes" myth?

Postby hermod » 4 months 3 days ago (Sat Feb 04, 2023 9:25 pm)

Hektor wrote:
hermod wrote:....
At the 51st and 52nd minutes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHZ46sQkzqU



The release that for the movie was October 1940, which came at the Western Campaign that was successful for Germany/Axis. It came out at a stage were there was potential for peace efforts between Allies/Axis. Apparently some folks weren't to eager on this happening.

Movies need to be script-written, planned, produced, edited etc. Bot the scriptwriting and production process take time.
The production actually took place from August 1939 onward:
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/arti ... 20Dictator

This still leaves time for script-writing and planning, which would be at least month before that date.
The cost for production budget was given at US$ 2.000.000 which was a substantial amount of money at the time. How that compares with other movie productions would be interesting to see.


Hard to know exactly when the Great Dictator sentences about the extermination of Jews and brunettes were written. But they were certainly written more than one year before the Wannsee Conference.


Hektor wrote:Given the popularity of Chaplin, it can be assumed that it was aimed for maximum audience in the US, but also other English-Speaking countries. My guess is that movies were far more influential at the time, given the novelty and lack of competition of other media. That would impress far stronger on the audience than other media, since it also reaches people that usually don't read or listen to long radio programs.

One may of course asked what the intentions of the sponsor with this elaborate piece of art was.

Theming of the movie is of course:
* Evil, lunatic, ridiculous Nazis. (that want to kill all Jews (and brunettes) and conquer the whole world)
* Poor, innocent, oppressed, heroic Jews.
That's the impression they tried to take. Arguably an educated audience doesn't get its 'facts' and 'information' from entertainment movies. But that underestimates the power of cultural products on the thinking of people. Informally addressed, sublime information is far more powerful on the mind than direct, formal, sober information given to a person. In fact the later tends to go in the one ear and go out at the other even more easily. Information that either shocks or entertains the person is far more likely to be processed longer and deeper. I mean the whole advertising industry works on those premises.


The Polish ambassador to the USA at that time, Jerzy Potocki, reported an extensive Jewish campaign of anti-Nazi propaganda already based on concentration camp stories. But that was not new. The whole Holohoax narrative could already be found in Samuel Untermyer's August 1933 anti-Nazi speech.





Hektor wrote:One may ask why people in the US were bothered that much with what was happening in Europe EVEN before world war two. Sure, most were not, but others obviously had this as a priority. People with interest and power in the movie industry. There goal would obviously be a world war with American engagement in it.

It's almost funny how the movie was a cartoon version of people's post war idea about the era. NS-Germany, Second World War and the 'Holocaust'. Notably this was set into stage substantially long before WW2 although this was done during an era, when Hitler was Chancellor of Germany.


The "future world war" and the inescapable US involvement had been 'foreseen' (announced) in 1930 (!!) by the notorious Top Zionist Rabbi Stephen "Six Million Holocausted Jews"(*) Wise...



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"[Austen Chamberlain] has done western civilization a great service by refuting at least one of the slanders against the Germans
because a civilization which leaves war lies unchallenged in an atmosphere of hatred and does not produce courage in its leaders to refute them
is doomed.
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Deutsche Allgemeine Zeitung, on the public admission by Britain's Foreign Secretary that the WWI corpse-factory story was false, December 4, 1925

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Re: Source of "blond hair blue eyes" myth?

Postby Hektor » 4 months 3 days ago (Sun Feb 05, 2023 4:29 am)

hermod wrote:....
Hard to know exactly when the Great Dictator sentences about the extermination of Jews and brunettes were written. But they were certainly written more than one year before the Wannsee Conference.
....


That's for sure. There must have been a script PRIOR to September 1939. It is of course possible that there were adaptations in the course of production. But I don't think so and assume that the part with 'killing the Jews and Brunettes' was already in the early script. The placement in the movie also indicates this. It's a mixture between ridicule and demonization against "The Nazis" and Axis in general.

And the Jews are the poor heroic victims.

The other issue is staging movie clips outside Germany (on extra stage sets), but with the intention to make it appear as if those were original clips from Germany (Also by mixing this with original clips from Germany). That indicates organized malicious intent to smear NS-Germany in the minds of American or other audiences outside Germany.

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Re: Source of "blond hair blue eyes" myth?

Postby hermod » 4 months 1 day ago (Mon Feb 06, 2023 6:45 pm)

Hektor wrote:That's for sure. There must have been a script PRIOR to September 1939. It is of course possible that there were adaptations in the course of production. But I don't think so and assume that the part with 'killing the Jews and Brunettes' was already in the early script. The placement in the movie also indicates this. It's a mixture between ridicule and demonization against "The Nazis" and Axis in general.


That part of the script was "revealed" by the Jewish press during the very first month of WWII and attributed to a minor Nazi official named Hans Ziegler (through a reference to a nonexistent book allegedly written by him)...







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because a civilization which leaves war lies unchallenged in an atmosphere of hatred and does not produce courage in its leaders to refute them
is doomed.
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Re: Source of "blond hair blue eyes" myth?

Postby Hektor » 4 months 1 day ago (Tue Feb 07, 2023 7:49 am)

"Hans Ziegler" also appears as name in other contexts.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/search/advance ... By=dateAsc


The issue is of course that the 6 million tale is peddled before it is alleged to have happened afterwards.
But don't think this will lead Holocaustians to reconsider their stance. They simply will claim that this was 'affirmed' after the war. That the prophets were right and in their eyes it increases the credibility of both the prophets and letter historians. I was reminded of this during the covid-scam as the mechanics of the myth were remarkably similar, while tit was a totally different subject.

If they were confronted with this type of evidence on any other subject, they would most certainly dismiss it. But since they are indoctrinated via media and the educational system with the Holocaust Myth on a frequent basis and have swallowed it hook, line and sinker, they interpret anything in line with the Holocaust Cult. Now a cult has usually an expressively religious character were people make claims based on the supernatural, a deity a faith system. They don't necessarily claim that this all can be empirically proven or has to be logical. The Holocaustians do however claim that the contents of their beliefs is 'proven, real, history'. In fact according to them it is the 'best documented genocide in human history'. But don't ask them for empirical, forensic, physical evidence and whether what is claimed is logically sound, plausible, feasible or even possible. "You are cruel to the victims, to ask such a thing". And when ask for the 'documentary evidence' they show stuff that is either fishy or so vague that it is actually hard to arrive at their conclusions. Pointing out that this isn't real evidence and hence the claim of 'best documented genocide' is false, they will claim that this was of course a top secret program and hence the "Nazis made all evidence" vanish. That the existing verifiable documents and forensic data is in line with the Revisionist thesis, doesn't impress them at all. Apparently Revisionists that try a sober, rational, skeptical approach lack compassion, empathy, respect and consideration for the victims and only want to 'rehabilitate Hitler' so that people would willingly implement National Socialism again in Germany and elsewhere. I wonder what they find so attractive with National Socialism that they think that everybody would want it, "if it wasn't for the Holocaust". The other trick is that facts and figures do not matter for them, as soon as they are challenged to proof them or have to answer 'how do they know questions'. Then "If only one Jew was gassed", this would "have cause the same guilt" or something like that. It is really insane dealing with those people... On the one hand one wants to laugh like when some cultists do something really foolish.... and are dead serious and sanctimonious about it. But they will get quickly angry with you, make is if you are a terrible person that doesn't have compassion, respect and pity with the victims.... That's cruel, because it laughs about stuff that is preposterous on its face. Sometimes it even seems as if the Holocausties get more proud and ardent, the more ridiculous a story they defend.
To overplay this lots of suggestive innuendo is added. Piles of shoes, photos of people that were deported and 'never seen again'. And of course the imagery of 'evil Nazis' as well as Satan incarnate Adolf Hitler. The term "NAZI" also is to invoke some fear with them. That it isn't the name of the party, movement and obviously some sort of nick-name. they don't care about. Also no thought about why this is still the term of preference, even in academic circles, that should know better.

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Re: Source of "blond hair blue eyes" myth?

Postby hermod » 4 months 1 day ago (Tue Feb 07, 2023 11:17 am)

Hektor wrote:The issue is of course that the 6 million tale is peddled before it is alleged to have happened afterwards.
But don't think this will lead Holocaustians to reconsider their stance. They simply will claim that this was 'affirmed' after the war. That the prophets were right and in their eyes it increases the credibility of both the prophets and letter historians.


Yes, I know. There is no amount of [alleged] amazing coincidences the normies can't take and brush aside in order to save their favorite conspiracy theory and hence the main founding myth of their current moral standards. Always an astonishing lesson in denialism.
"[Austen Chamberlain] has done western civilization a great service by refuting at least one of the slanders against the Germans
because a civilization which leaves war lies unchallenged in an atmosphere of hatred and does not produce courage in its leaders to refute them
is doomed.
"

Deutsche Allgemeine Zeitung, on the public admission by Britain's Foreign Secretary that the WWI corpse-factory story was false, December 4, 1925


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