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Re: NEWS! magazine & Wiesenthal Ctr. caught faking 'gas vans'!

Postby Hektor » 1 month 6 days ago (Thu May 04, 2023 7:25 pm)

slob wrote:Just came across this bit of nonsense, more propaganda, instilling it into our minds(subliminal programming)?

From 1948, a still from the movie The Search
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The clip with them running away.


Although the movie seems to be more harping on the 'poor suffering children's' narrative. 'gas chambers' are just a subtext. Guess they couldn't push more at the time. And this can have a number of reasons. For starters more folks were asking questions and people may have been fed up with obvious propaganda movies.
Directed by Fred Zinnemann
Writing Credits
Richard Schweizer ... (screen play)
David Wechsler ... (collaborator: on screen play)
Paul Jarrico ... (additional dialogue)
Cast (in credits order) verified as complete
Montgomery Clift ... Ralph Stevenson
Aline MacMahon ... Mrs. Murray
Wendell Corey ... Jerry Fisher
Jarmila Novotna ... Mrs. Malik
Ewart G. Morrison ... Mr. Crookes
etc.
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Produced by
Oscar Düby ... associate producer
Lazar Wechsler ... producer
Music by
Robert Blum ... (musical score)
Costume Design by
Robert Gamma
etc.


Ulterior motives for the movie? Probably. Given that this was produced in occupied Germany, I'd guess this came with approval and encouragement from government. Also consider that there were millions of missing and displaced Germans... Something that potentially could draw attention and could cause a problem, if left unchecked. So rather preoccupy this with some 'concentration camp survivor' stories first, which allows you to control the narrative.

Not sure what hardcore Holocaust movies were there prior to the Holocaust soap opera in the 1970s. But this was 30 years from WW2. Plenty of those that experienced the era were still alive. But those with senior management positions during the war would be in advanced pension age. So chance of them talking back was rather slim.

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Re: NEWS! magazine & Wiesenthal Ctr. caught faking 'gas vans'!

Postby hermod » 1 month 5 days ago (Thu May 04, 2023 8:55 pm)

Hektor wrote:That kind of movie has probably instilled Holocaustian belief into more people than the official atrocity propaganda movies. Simply because it is a drama with a story and it's even in Black and White. Lots of the information is implicit and the member of the audience then draws a conclusion. Since he or she think that's their own conclusion they will defend this more eagerly than if they just were told that they had to believe this. Simply because they think they figured this out via their own cleverness and superior intelligence. That's why Holocaust Belief is usually a mixture of folly, arrogance and false morality. Those confronted with 'Holocaust Denial' often switch to an 'ego-defensive' mode and stop being reachable for rational arguments from empirically verifiable facts. Since it appears that all 'serious scientists' are on their side, they grow more arrogant. Thinking that they are defending innocent victims against fiendish Nazis that dare to insult the memory of those that suffered (essentially martyrs). If you reminds you a bit of Catholicism that's because it is using the same propaganda techniques to 'instill the faith'. Not in Catholicism, but rather into Catholocism. A global cult that has the Holocaust as the foundational myth of their (post-modern) religion.


That's part of the trick. Always was...

"The easiest way to inject a propaganda idea into most people’s minds
is to let it go through the medium of an entertainment picture
when they do not realize that they are being propagandized.
"
- Elmer Davis,
Director of the U.S. Office of War Information (OWI)


The United States Office of War Information (OWI) was a United States government agency created during World War II. The OWI operated from June 1942 until September 1945. Through radio broadcasts, newspapers, posters, photographs, films and other forms of media, the OWI was the connection between the battlefront and civilian communities. The office also established several overseas branches, which launched a large-scale information and propaganda campaign abroad. From 1942 to 1945, the OWI revised or discarded any film scripts reviewed by them that portrayed the United States in a negative light, including anti-war material.[1]

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At the onset of World War II, the American public was in the dark regarding wartime information. One American observer noted: “It all seemed to boil down to three bitter complaints…first, that there was too much information; second, that there wasn’t enough of it; and third, that in any event it was confusing and inconsistent”.[3] Further, the American public confessed a lack of understanding as to why the world was at war, and held great resentment against other Allied Nations.[4] President Roosevelt established the OWI to both meet the demands for news and less confusion, as well as resolve American apathy towards the war. The OWI's creation was not without controversy. The American public, and the United States Congress in particular, were wary of propaganda for several reasons.

But in the wake of the attack on Pearl Harbor, the need for coordinated and properly disseminated wartime information from the military/administration to the public outweighed the fears associated with American propaganda. President Roosevelt entrusted the OWI to journalist and CBS newsman Elmer Davis, with the mission to take “an active part in winning the war and in laying the foundations for a better postwar world.”[8]

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The OWI Domestic Radio Bureau produced series such as This is Our Enemy (spring 1942), which dealt with Germany, Japan, and Italy; Uncle Sam, which dealt with domestic themes; and Hasten the Day (August 1943), which focussed on the Home Front, the NBC Blue Network's Chaplain Jim. The radio producer Norman Corwin produced several series for the OWI, including An American in England, An American in Russia, and Passport for Adams, which starred Robert Young, Ray Collins, Paul Stewart and Harry Davenport.[10]

The OWI Bureau of Motion Pictures (BMP) worked with the Hollywood movie studios to produce films that advanced American war aims. According to Elmer Davis, "The easiest way to inject a propaganda idea into most people’s minds is to let it go through the medium of an entertainment picture when they do not realize that they are being propagandized."[12] Successful films depicted the Allied armed forces as valiant "Freedom fighters", and advocated for civilian participation, such as conserving fuel or donating food to troops.[13]

By July 1942 OWI administrators realized that the best way to reach American audiences was to present war films in conjunction with feature films. OWI's presence in Hollywood deepened throughout World War II, and by 1943 every major Hollywood studio (except Paramount Pictures) allowed the OWI to examine their film scripts.[14] OWI evaluated whether each film would promote the honor of the Allies' mission.[15]

From 1942 to 1945, the OWI's Bureau of Motion Pictures reviewed 1,652 film scripts and revised or discarded any that portrayed the United States in a negative light, including material that made Americans seem "oblivious to the war or anti-war." Elmer Davis, the head of the OWI, said that "The easiest way to inject a propaganda idea into most people's minds is to let it go through the medium of an entertainment picture when they do not realize they're being propagandized."

The OWI was terminated, effective September 15, 1945, by Executive Order 9608 on August 31, 1945.[43] President Truman cited the OWI for "outstanding contribution to victory", and saw no reason to continue funding the agency post-war.[44] The international offices of the OWI were transferred to the State Department, and the United States Information Service and the Office of Strategic Services/Central Intelligence Agency assumed many of the information gathering, analyzing, and disseminating responsibilities.[45]

Despite its troubled existence, the OWI is widely considered to be influential in the Allied victory and mobilizing American support for the war domestically.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_St ... nformation
"[Austen Chamberlain] has done western civilization a great service by refuting at least one of the slanders against the Germans
because a civilization which leaves war lies unchallenged in an atmosphere of hatred and does not produce courage in its leaders to refute them
is doomed.
"

Deutsche Allgemeine Zeitung, on the public admission by Britain's Foreign Secretary that the WWI corpse-factory story was false, December 4, 1925

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Re: NEWS! magazine & Wiesenthal Ctr. caught faking 'gas vans'!

Postby Hektor » 1 month 5 days ago (Fri May 05, 2023 3:03 am)

hermod wrote:
Hektor wrote:That kind of movie has probably instilled Holocaustian belief .... myth of their (post-modern) religion.


That's part of the trick. Always was...

[b]"The easiest way to inject a propaganda idea into most people’s minds
is to let it go through the medium of an entertainment picture
when they do not realize that they are being propagandized.
"
- Elmer Davis,
Director of the U.S. Office of War Information (OWI)


The United States Office of War Information (OWI) was a United States government agency created during World War II. The OWI operated from June 1942 until September 1945. Through radio broadcasts, newspapers, posters, photographs, films and other forms of media, the OWI was the connection between the battlefront and civilian communities. .....
But in the wake of the attack on Pearl Harbor, the need for coordinated and properly disseminated wartime information from the military/administration to the public outweighed the fears associated with American propaganda. President Roosevelt entrusted the OWI to journalist and CBS newsman Elmer Davis, with the mission to take “an active part in winning the war and in laying the foundations for a better postwar world.”[8]...
The OWI Bureau of Motion Pictures (BMP) worked with the Hollywood movie studios to produce films that advanced American war aims. According to Elmer Davis, "The easiest way to inject a propaganda idea into most people’s minds is to let it go through the medium of an entertainment picture when they do not realize that they are being propagandized."[12] Successful films depicted the Allied armed forces as valiant "Freedom fighters", and advocated for civilian participation, such as conserving fuel or donating food to troops.[13]
....
Despite its troubled existence, the OWI is widely considered to be influential in the Allied victory and mobilizing American support for the war domestically.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_St ... nformation


And boy isn't that true. People will think 'it's propaganda', when it got the stamp of official propaganda (or when it is in propagandistic lingo). And subsequently they will be more skeptical about it. But when it is from a supposedly neutral film-maker and clad in an exiting story, they will absorb this far more uncritically. Same when it is offered as 'education'. When they hear what a teacher says, what's in a school book, or a statement by academics. Then they think that they won't lie to them, that those people do that based on something objective, neutral and 'well researched'. People distrust businessmen, politicians, even journalists nowadays, but when a professor says it in a 'science program', it suddenly is considered unbiased and reliable. Well, it isn't. Those working for universities and schools are employees that will be careful not to say something that is out of line with their colleagues or employers. The funny thing is that publicly funded teachers may be critical of the government in place, but they will be pro-state, pro-excessive spending, pro-taxation, etc. They will also be likely to be in line with their colleagues as their is norming in occupations.

One also notices, when people 'ask for the source'. They judge by the source and think they can dismiss it, when it is not to their liking, then. The question isn't asked, because they want to give credit to the author or find out how to look it up. The question is ask as to reinforce their own bias on the matter. And well, they don't realize that they may have been made biased by people with other agendas, than the truth.

The managers of OWI and other agencies will have known this of course since they are often trained in psychology, sociology and do have common knowledge of people. So expect that they know and apply the 'tricks of the trade'.

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Re: NEWS! magazine & Wiesenthal Ctr. caught faking 'gas vans'!

Postby hermod » 1 month 4 days ago (Fri May 05, 2023 9:24 pm)

Hektor wrote:And boy isn't that true. People will think 'it's propaganda', when it got the stamp of official propaganda (or when it is in propagandistic lingo). And subsequently they will be more skeptical about it. But when it is from a supposedly neutral film-maker and clad in an exiting story, they will absorb this far more uncritically. Same when it is offered as 'education'. When they hear what a teacher says, what's in a school book, or a statement by academics. Then they think that they won't lie to them, that those people do that based on something objective, neutral and 'well researched'. People distrust businessmen, politicians, even journalists nowadays, but when a professor says it in a 'science program', it suddenly is considered unbiased and reliable. Well, it isn't. Those working for universities and schools are employees that will be careful not to say something that is out of line with their colleagues or employers. The funny thing is that publicly funded teachers may be critical of the government in place, but they will be pro-state, pro-excessive spending, pro-taxation, etc. They will also be likely to be in line with their colleagues as their is norming in occupations.

One also notices, when people 'ask for the source'. They judge by the source and think they can dismiss it, when it is not to their liking, then. The question isn't asked, because they want to give credit to the author or find out how to look it up. The question is ask as to reinforce their own bias on the matter. And well, they don't realize that they may have been made biased by people with other agendas, than the truth.

The managers of OWI and other agencies will have known this of course since they are often trained in psychology, sociology and do have common knowledge of people. So expect that they know and apply the 'tricks of the trade'.


Yes, it's true. Propatainment is terribly efficient. And cinema is almost hypnosis.

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"[Austen Chamberlain] has done western civilization a great service by refuting at least one of the slanders against the Germans
because a civilization which leaves war lies unchallenged in an atmosphere of hatred and does not produce courage in its leaders to refute them
is doomed.
"

Deutsche Allgemeine Zeitung, on the public admission by Britain's Foreign Secretary that the WWI corpse-factory story was false, December 4, 1925

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Re: NEWS! magazine & Wiesenthal Ctr. caught faking 'gas vans'!

Postby Hektor » 1 month 4 days ago (Fri May 05, 2023 11:39 pm)

hermod wrote:
Hektor wrote:And boy isn't that true. People will think 'it's propaganda', when it got the stamp of official propaganda (or when it is in propagandistic lingo). And subsequently they will be more skeptical about it. .... than the truth.

The managers of OWI and other agencies will have known this of course since they are often trained in psychology, sociology and do have common knowledge of people. So expect that they know and apply the 'tricks of the trade'.


Yes, it's true. Propatainment is terribly efficient. And cinema is almost hypnosis.

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Especially, when you have general control about it and can mass-distribute narratives with it. Now the cinema has been replaced with TV first. And it also made for more centralization. Video made for some decentralization, but people stick to brands, so the 'big movies' are still the ones more viewed than others. With the internet anybody can become a producer and provider, but it also went again into centralization with the big social media roleplayers... And they started controlling what content can be shown there. Access to information is still there, but it is of course a distribution issue. The delusion is now that people think they are affirmed by others that are individuals, but since they are already propagandized and indoctrinated it is essentially an echo-chamber. Same message in different colors if you want.

Viewing a movie creates the delusion that one 'can see everything' and that one 'has seen it with ones own eyes'. It's however the selection, editing and commenting of the pictures that creates impressions that can be dead wrong. And even if this is realized by some, the group experience leads to alignment in it.

So yes, who controls the information can influence the thinking of people and give it a direction. With the right expertise one can shape the morality of people. This isn't absolute of course, but direction is given and that can be direction not conducive to the well-being of the audience.

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Re: NEWS! magazine & Wiesenthal Ctr. caught faking 'gas vans'!

Postby hermod » 1 month 4 days ago (Sat May 06, 2023 10:12 am)

Hektor wrote:Especially, when you have general control about it and can mass-distribute narratives with it. Now the cinema has been replaced with TV first. And it also made for more centralization. Video made for some decentralization, but people stick to brands, so the 'big movies' are still the ones more viewed than others. With the internet anybody can become a producer and provider, but it also went again into centralization with the big social media roleplayers... And they started controlling what content can be shown there. Access to information is still there, but it is of course a distribution issue. The delusion is now that people think they are affirmed by others that are individuals, but since they are already propagandized and indoctrinated it is essentially an echo-chamber. Same message in different colors if you want.

Viewing a movie creates the delusion that one 'can see everything' and that one 'has seen it with ones own eyes'. It's however the selection, editing and commenting of the pictures that creates impressions that can be dead wrong. And even if this is realized by some, the group experience leads to alignment in it. [/Center]

Hive mind 2.0 is no different from hive mind 1.0 if I'm asked...

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Hektor wrote:So yes, who controls the information can influence the thinking of people and give it a direction. With the right expertise one can shape the morality of people. This isn't absolute of course, but direction is given and that can be direction not conducive to the well-being of the audience.


Or in other words...
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"[Austen Chamberlain] has done western civilization a great service by refuting at least one of the slanders against the Germans
because a civilization which leaves war lies unchallenged in an atmosphere of hatred and does not produce courage in its leaders to refute them
is doomed.
"

Deutsche Allgemeine Zeitung, on the public admission by Britain's Foreign Secretary that the WWI corpse-factory story was false, December 4, 1925


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