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President of Iran: Holocaust should "be investigated and researched"

Postby Lamprecht » 8 months 2 weeks ago (Mon Sep 19, 2022 8:14 pm)

If the "Holocaust" actually happened as alleged, then exterminationists would support free and open investigations of the event and the sites. Instead, researchers are imprisoned in various countries for publicly questioning the official narrative, the alleged extermination sites are off-limits to investigators, and even in countries where "denial" is legal social media platforms actively censor users that post revisionist content.

What are they so afraid of?

https://www.jta.org/2022/09/19/global/i ... to-be-sure
Iranian president on the Holocaust: ‘There are some signs that it happened,’ research needed to be sure

BY RON KAMPEAS
SEPTEMBER 19, 2022 10:51 AM

(JTA) — Iran’s leadership has returned to Holocaust denial, its leader made clear in an interview with “60 Minutes,” after distancing itself from the phenomenon.

“Historical events should be investigated by researchers and historians,” Ebrahim Raisi, the Iranian president, said in an interview on the CBS News flagship broadcast Sunday when he asked if he believed the Holocaust occurred. “There are some signs that it happened. If so, they should allow it to be investigated and researched.”

The interview aired at the same time that PBS was showing the first installment of a six-hour new documentary, by Ken Burns, about the Holocaust. “The U.S. and the Holocaust” is the latest prominent work to make use of the vast trove of research available to scholars and laymen to show in meticulous detail evidence of the Nazi genocide of European Jewry.

The falsehood that research that would deny the Holocaust is being repressed is a commonplace trope among Holocaust deniers.

How exactly is it a trope? Amazon actively bans revisionist books. YouTube actively bans revisionist videos. Facebook actively bans revisionist posts. They all admit to doing this. Google actively scrubs revisionist content from search results, although I don't think they admit to this. Even on places like Bitchute, revisionist videos are blocked if your IP is in a country where the content is illegal. There is active censorship, it's not hidden. These companies admit to it and Jewish organizations like the ADL demand more.

“Raisi’s call for ‘research’ to determine whether the Holocaust happened is ludicrous and dangerous,” Deborah Lipstadt, the U.S. antisemitism monitor, said in a statement. “His statement is a form of Holocaust denial and a form of antisemitism.”

He literally said there were signs suggesting that it happened but people should be allowed do more research. That's not "Holocaust denial" that's called being open minded. What's truly dangerous is someone that believes that more research is a bad thing.

Raisi, a hard-liner elected last year, was echoing the position peddled by Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the president from 2005 to 2013, who made an ostentatious point of denying the Holocaust. The subsequent government, led from 2013 to 2021 by Hassan Rouhani, a relative moderate, sought to distance itself from Holocaust denial.

Responding to a tweet quoting Raisi, Israeli interim prime minister Yair Lapid offered just two words — “Some signs” alongside four black-and-white photographs showing starved and murdered Holocaust victims. He was one of many people to lampoon the Iranian president’s comments on social media.

[twitter post: https://twitter.com/yairlapid/status/15 ... 9547398145]

So these images are supposed prove that the "Holocaust" happened?
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Jews were arrested. Nobody questions that
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People died of disease in the camps. Nobody questions that
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Women walking to work at Auschwitz labor camp. But we were told all women were gassed on arrival.
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A woman sitting on the ground nursing a child. How is this proof of anything?

Seems to me that more research is exactly what is needed.

Lt. Gen. Aviv Kohavi, the Israeli army chief of staff, visiting Poland, said the tendency of the Iranian regime to deny the Holocaust was one reason Iran should never obtain a nuclear weapon.

“Anyone who lies and denies the painful and solid truth of history easily lies today, and will naturally lie in the future,” Kohavi said Monday while visiting Auschwitz, the Nazi death camp, the Times of Israel reported. “This is another reminder that such people should not be allowed to possess any capacity of any kind for development of weapons of mass destruction.”

So the Israelis deserve to have nuclear weapons because they have never lied about anything? :roll:

In the interview, Raisi also repeated the long-held position of the Iranian government that Israel does not have a right to exist.

Meanwhile, Israel on Sunday issued an advisory citing increasing evidence of Iranian plots against Israelis abroad. “We estimate that in the coming period Iran will continue to work to promote damage to Israeli targets around the world, both in countries near Iran and in Western and European countries,” Israel’s National Security Headquarters said in the advisory.

Ah yes of course, there needs to be more spying on Iranians abroad because they might attack Israelis. :roll:

The simple fact is that Zionists get enraged any time someone suggests free and open discussion on their "Holocaust" narrative because they know it would result in large numbers of people concluding that it is indeed a hoax. This is why they're so desperate to pass even more laws criminalizing free speech.



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"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments, and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance -- that principle is contempt prior to investigation."
— Herbert Spencer


NOTE: I am taking a leave of absence from revisionism to focus on other things. At this point, the ball is in their court to show the alleged massive pits full of human remains at the so-called "extermination camps." After 8 decades they still refuse to do this. I wonder why...

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Re: President of Iran: Holocaust should "be investigated and researched"

Postby hermod » 8 months 2 weeks ago (Wed Sep 21, 2022 6:30 am)

Lamprecht wrote:
“Historical events should be investigated by researchers and historians,” Ebrahim Raisi, the Iranian president, said in an interview on the CBS News flagship broadcast Sunday when he asked if he believed the Holocaust occurred. There are some signs that it happened. If so, they should allow it to be investigated and researched.”


He literally said there were signs suggesting that it happened but people should be allowed do more research. That's not "Holocaust denial" that's called being open minded.


That's what happens when both sides are not allowed to talk freely. Only the confrontation of arguments and counterarguments can resolve complex issues.

When I look though a window, I find that there are some signs that the sun revolves around the earth. But the debate between Geocentric astronomers and Heliocentric astronomers settled the issue otherwise.
"[Austen Chamberlain] has done western civilization a great service by refuting at least one of the slanders against the Germans
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Re: President of Iran: Holocaust should "be investigated and researched"

Postby hermod » 8 months 2 weeks ago (Wed Sep 21, 2022 6:42 am)

Lamprecht wrote:So these images are supposed prove that the "Holocaust" happened?
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Women walking to work at Auschwitz labor camp. But we were told all women were gassed on arrival.


Also debunks the pile of human hair supposed to prove a mass slaughter of Jews there...







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"[Austen Chamberlain] has done western civilization a great service by refuting at least one of the slanders against the Germans
because a civilization which leaves war lies unchallenged in an atmosphere of hatred and does not produce courage in its leaders to refute them
is doomed.
"

Deutsche Allgemeine Zeitung, on the public admission by Britain's Foreign Secretary that the WWI corpse-factory story was false, December 4, 1925

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Re: President of Iran: Holocaust should "be investigated and researched"

Postby Lamprecht » 8 months 2 weeks ago (Wed Sep 21, 2022 7:26 am)

hermod wrote:
Lamprecht wrote:So these images are supposed prove that the "Holocaust" happened?
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Women walking to work at Auschwitz labor camp. But we were told all women were gassed on arrival.


Also debunks the pile of human hair supposed to prove a mass slaughter of Jews there...


Indeed. Any "testimony" that claims Jews were gassed and then their corpses shaved can be dismissed outright on that absurdity alone. There are all sorts of photographs of Jewish prisoners not being gassed with shaved heads. Obviously it was a sanitary measure.

It really is ridiculous that individuals in positions of power can sit there and declare that photographs of disease victims or people being arrested during WWII is proof of a state-sponsored industrial genocide with gas chambers. I discuss this issue at length in my thread here:

The power of the "Denier" label and people's confusion about the "Holocaust" viewtopic.php?t=12923

The average person makes these same mistakes, and charlatans like Lipstadt say that we don't need any more research, and that anyone that says we should is an evil bigot. I wonder if these people know that what they're saying is ridiculous, or they're just so hopelessly high on their own supply.
"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments, and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance -- that principle is contempt prior to investigation."
— Herbert Spencer


NOTE: I am taking a leave of absence from revisionism to focus on other things. At this point, the ball is in their court to show the alleged massive pits full of human remains at the so-called "extermination camps." After 8 decades they still refuse to do this. I wonder why...

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Re: President of Iran: Holocaust should "be investigated and researched"

Postby hermod » 8 months 2 weeks ago (Wed Sep 21, 2022 8:42 am)

Lamprecht wrote:Indeed. Any "testimony" that claims Jews were gassed and then their corpses shaved can be dismissed outright on that absurdity alone. There are all sorts of photographs of Jewish prisoners not being gassed with shaved heads. Obviously it was a sanitary measure.


A sanitary measure and also a mere war economy measure. During WWII, the collection of human hair for textile purposes was mandatory in France. (I have numerous wartime French newspaper articles about that in my archives. I can post some of them here if anyone wants more info about it.) Nothing sinister in human hair spinning and weaving. Just an anti-waste measure.


Lamprecht wrote:It really is ridiculous that individuals in positions of power can sit there and declare that photographs of disease victims or people being arrested during WWII is proof of a state-sponsored industrial genocide with gas chambers. I discuss this issue at length in my thread here:

The power of the "Denier" label and people's confusion about the "Holocaust" viewtopic.php?t=12923

The average person makes these same mistakes, and charlatans like Lipstadt say that we don't need any more research, and that anyone that says we should is an evil bigot. I wonder if these people know that what they're saying is ridiculous, or they're just so hopelessly high on their own supply.


"When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser." ― Anonymous


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Graham's Hierarchy of Disagreement lists name-calling as the lowest type of argument in a disagreement.


Posturing as if the case was closed is certainly a very efficient strategy. Impressive photographs of disease victims makes it seem as such. Hence the constant use of such graphic propaganda material. One of the favorite tricks of illu-Zionists.

"What the eyes see and the ears hear, the mind believes." - Harry Houdini


Jews don't engage in debates with Holocaust revisionists because "doing so suggests there are two sides of the Holocaust story."

"[Austen Chamberlain] has done western civilization a great service by refuting at least one of the slanders against the Germans
because a civilization which leaves war lies unchallenged in an atmosphere of hatred and does not produce courage in its leaders to refute them
is doomed.
"

Deutsche Allgemeine Zeitung, on the public admission by Britain's Foreign Secretary that the WWI corpse-factory story was false, December 4, 1925

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Re: President of Iran: Holocaust should "be investigated and researched"

Postby Lamprecht » 8 months 2 weeks ago (Wed Sep 21, 2022 10:30 am)

hermod wrote:During WWII, the collection of human hair for textile purposes was mandatory in France. (I have numerous wartime French newspaper articles about that in my archives. I can post some of them here if anyone wants more info about it.) Nothing sinister in human hair spinning and weaving. Just an anti-waste measure.

I would like to see them. I was always a bit confused about why the hair was still around. It was removed for sanitary reasons, but if that was the only reason you would expect it to be discarded or burnt.
Maybe make a thread about human hair uses, the only thread about that I could find is viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11811

Posturing as if the case was closed is certainly a very efficient strategy. Impressive photographs of disease victims makes it seem as such. Hence the constant use of such graphic propaganda material.

These photographs are shown to young children on purpose to generate a strong emotional response. No proper context is given, like the fact that death from disease was common in wars. In the 1800s, the main cause of death for soldiers was disease, not battle. WW1 broke this trend with 1/3 of the deaths from disease. With modern medicine, we don't have to worry about typhus outbreaks.

More on that: viewtopic.php?p=93567
"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments, and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance -- that principle is contempt prior to investigation."
— Herbert Spencer


NOTE: I am taking a leave of absence from revisionism to focus on other things. At this point, the ball is in their court to show the alleged massive pits full of human remains at the so-called "extermination camps." After 8 decades they still refuse to do this. I wonder why...

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Re: President of Iran: Holocaust should "be investigated and researched"

Postby hermod » 8 months 2 weeks ago (Thu Sep 22, 2022 6:23 am)

Lamprecht wrote:
hermod wrote:During WWII, the collection of human hair for textile purposes was mandatory in France. (I have numerous wartime French newspaper articles about that in my archives. I can post some of them here if anyone wants more info about it.) Nothing sinister in human hair spinning and weaving. Just an anti-waste measure.

I would like to see them. I was always a bit confused about why the hair was still around. It was removed for sanitary reasons, but if that was the only reason you would expect it to be discarded or burnt.
Maybe make a thread about human hair uses, the only thread about that I could find is viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11811


OK, I'll make a thread about human hair uses during WWII.

if that was the only reason you would expect it to be discarded or burnt


The long (i.e. female) hair were turned into clothes. When everything is lacking, nothing can be permitted to go to waste.
"[Austen Chamberlain] has done western civilization a great service by refuting at least one of the slanders against the Germans
because a civilization which leaves war lies unchallenged in an atmosphere of hatred and does not produce courage in its leaders to refute them
is doomed.
"

Deutsche Allgemeine Zeitung, on the public admission by Britain's Foreign Secretary that the WWI corpse-factory story was false, December 4, 1925

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Re: President of Iran: Holocaust should "be investigated and researched"

Postby phdnm » 8 months 2 weeks ago (Thu Sep 22, 2022 12:52 pm)



EU denounces Iranian president’s words on holocaust «It is an insult to the victims»

21 sept. 2022

The European Union has responded Tuesday to the words of Iranian President Ebrahim Raisi, who called for more research on the Holocaust, stating that the statements represent an insult to the memory of the victims.

«The EU is appalled by these statements by the (Iranian) president, we are committed to combating anti-Semitism and any attempt to deny, justify or trivialize the Holocaust,» EU foreign affairs spokesman Peter Stano stressed at a press conference from Brussels.

In this sense, he stressed that there is «much evidence» of the tragedy of the Holocaust, «what it meant and how it took place», so he considered Raisi’s words an «insult to the memory of the people who died a tragic death in the Holocaust».

The chief spokesman of the European Commission, Eric Mamer, wanted to join the complaint to insist that the persecution of the Jews by Nazi Germany is «a historical fact, documented and proven». «There can be no doubt that these terrible events took place and cast a shadow over Europe and the whole world,» he reflected.

In this way, the EU has replied to the statements of Raisi, who in an interview to the U.S. television network CBS said that «there are some signs that the Holocaust took place», but called for more research by «historians».

These words had the quick response of the Israeli authorities, whose Prime Minister, Yair Lapid, published several photographs of the Holocaust on his account on the social network Twitter along with the text «some signs».



Why are questions not allowed? In are normal society you can question even so called facts. If you defend so called facts, there would be no fear or punishment for questioning them.

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Re: President of Iran: Holocaust should "be investigated and researched"

Postby hermod » 8 months 2 weeks ago (Thu Sep 22, 2022 8:28 pm)

Visibly, the Holohoax is as crucial to the implementers of the Great Replacement in White countries as it is to the implementers of the Great Replacement in Palestine. The sight of the insipid servile EU officials repeating their Holocaust profession of faith like automatons was hilarious.

Tellingly, the early implementers of the Great Replacement in Palestine claimed for many decades that the exposure of their real scheme was a crazy conspiracy theory.



"[Austen Chamberlain] has done western civilization a great service by refuting at least one of the slanders against the Germans
because a civilization which leaves war lies unchallenged in an atmosphere of hatred and does not produce courage in its leaders to refute them
is doomed.
"

Deutsche Allgemeine Zeitung, on the public admission by Britain's Foreign Secretary that the WWI corpse-factory story was false, December 4, 1925


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