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Canada to "criminalize public denial of the Holocaust"? [Update: now criminalized]

Postby Lamprecht » 1 year 2 months ago (Sat Apr 09, 2022 5:44 pm)

[Update: Canadian law was updated June 2022. It is now a criminal act to publicly engage in "condoning, denying or downplaying the Holocaust" punishable by up to 2 years imprisonment.

Refer to the following post: viewtopic.php?p=106138#p106138

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Note how these bans are rarely ever pushed in isolation. It's always a packaged deal, added to a list of a dozen or more additional changes. Well, technically, at least people will be able to question the Holocaust narrative in their own mind, they just can't talk about it. :roll:
Budget proposes more judges, legal aid, bans of Holocaust denial, foreign acquisition of housing
Thursday, April 07, 2022 @ 5:14 PM
By Cristin Schmitz

The federal government proposes to create 24 new superior court judgeships, invest an additional $60 million in criminal legal aid, and introduce legislative reforms that would ban foreigners’ acquisition of “non-recreational residential property in Canada” for two years, as well as criminalize public denial of the Holocaust.

Those are a few of the justice- and law-related measures proposed in the federal budget introduced in the House of Commons by Deputy Prime Minister and Finance Minister Chrystia Freeland April 7.
[...]
Additional justice-related legislative measures (other than tax-related measures) the government says it plans to propose (see the budget’s Annex 3) include:
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Criminal Code amendments to “prohibit the communication of statements, other than in private conversation, that willfully promote antisemitism by condoning, denying or downplaying the Holocaust.”
[...]
https://www.thelawyersdaily.ca/articles/35117 | https://archive.ph/Qnrf0



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Official list of Revisionist scholars persecuted / imprisoned for questioning the "Holocaust"
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NOTE: I am taking a leave of absence from revisionism to focus on other things. At this point, the ball is in their court to show the alleged massive pits full of human remains at the so-called "extermination camps." After 8 decades they still refuse to do this. I wonder why...

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Re: Canada to "criminalize public denial of the Holocaust"?

Postby Hektor » 1 year 1 month ago (Sun Apr 10, 2022 9:35 am)

Lamprecht wrote:Note how these bans are rarely ever pushed in isolation. It's always a packaged deal, added to a list of a dozen or more additional changes. Well, technically, at least people will be able to question the Holocaust narrative in their own mind, they just can't talk about it. :roll: ....



It's seems to come as package deals / baits and switches. When the isolated issue stands a good chance to be rejected, simply fit it into a basket with eggs, you know will be approved by a majority of those having a vote.

Any "law" against 'Holocaust Denial' is special legislation and as such already suspect. Even if you consider it criminal to debunk people's pet narratives, which naturally it isn't, you'd have to admit that such special legislation is in conflict with constitutional and common law principles. It's kind of like formulating legislation against common law crimes in a way that it only protects certain groups. Or that only certain people are prohibited from doing so. Bear this in mind when people talk about "White Privilege"... Which group/s do really have privilege, if we are looking at the practices?

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Re: Canada to "criminalize public denial of the Holocaust"?

Postby Lamprecht » 1 year 1 month ago (Mon Apr 11, 2022 3:04 pm)

It appears to be a done deal, just a matter of time. I wonder why it's included in the government budget? Very few Canadians are probably aware that it's included at all in the legislation.
Canada set to outlaw Holocaust denial

BY RON KAMPEAS APRIL 11, 2022 11:03 AM

(JTA) — Canada is set to outlaw Holocaust denial, a move that has the backing of the governing Liberal Party government coalition and the opposition Conservative Party.

The CTV reported on Saturday that language adding Holocaust denial to the criminal code is in the must-pass government budget.

Coalition officials cast the change as consistent with existing Canadian laws criminalizing incitement to hatred and promotion of genocide.

“There is no place for antisemitism and Holocaust denial in Canada,” Marco Mendicino, the public safety minister, told CTV.

“That’s why we’ve pledged to prohibit the wilful promotion of antisemitism through condoning, denying or downplaying the Holocaust. The Holocaust was one of the darkest chapters in human history. We must preserve its memory, combat contemporary antisemitism and be unequivocal when we say: never again.”

Irwin Cotler, the veteran human rights activist who is currently Canada’s special envoy on preserving Holocaust remembrance and combating antisemitism, said: “Holocaust denial and distortion constitute a cruel assault on memory, truth, and justice — an antisemitic libel to cover up the worst crime in history — and thereby a cruel and mocking rebuke to Holocaust survivors and their legacy.”

The language echoes a separate law already advanced by a Conservative member of parliament, Kevin Waugh of Saskatchewan. He called the decision a “win for everybody.”

Canada joins a number of European nations, including Germany, that have criminalized Holocaust denial.
https://www.jta.org/2022/04/11/global/c ... ust-denial | http://archive.ph/nUwoU
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NOTE: I am taking a leave of absence from revisionism to focus on other things. At this point, the ball is in their court to show the alleged massive pits full of human remains at the so-called "extermination camps." After 8 decades they still refuse to do this. I wonder why...

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Re: Canada to "criminalize public denial of the Holocaust"?

Postby PrudentRegret » 1 year 1 month ago (Mon Apr 11, 2022 11:12 pm)

Lamprecht wrote:It appears to be a done deal, just a matter of time. I wonder why it's included in the government budget? Very few Canadians are probably aware that it's included at all in the legislation.
https://www.jta.org/2022/04/11/global/c ... ust-denial | http://archive.ph/nUwoU


It means the government probably doesn't have enough seats to Parliament to get it passed in normal procedure. They are basically strong-arming Parliament to pass the law by putting it in the budget. If they don't vote for it, it would trigger an early election which they strongly want to avoid.

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Re: Canada to "criminalize public denial of the Holocaust"?

Postby hermod » 1 year 1 month ago (Mon Apr 11, 2022 11:27 pm)

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Re: Canada to "criminalize public denial of the Holocaust"?

Postby jarno » 1 year 1 month ago (Tue Apr 12, 2022 12:58 pm)

Criminal Code amendments to “prohibit the communication of statements, other than in private conversation, that willfully promote antisemitism by condoning, denying or downplaying the Holocaust.


After reading this description of the legislation I'm struck by it's equivocation of antisemitism with "denying or downplaying" of the Holocaust. Clearly, these are two different things. Also, by preventing "denying or downplaying" of the Holocaust they are also preventing the publication of research within the mainstream press that runs in contradiction to the prevailing view. The ultimate effect of this is to stifle research. And, if I may ask, why would they do such a thing if they were so confident on their position? This leads me to think that they feel the revisionists are gaining traction, and by repressing free inquiry into history, they're desperately trying to hold onto a story that's falling apart.

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Re: Canada to "criminalize public denial of the Holocaust"?

Postby borjastick » 1 year 1 month ago (Wed Apr 13, 2022 1:51 am)

they feel the revisionists are gaining traction, and by repressing free inquiry into history, they're desperately trying to hold onto a story that's falling apart.
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Yes of course they feel and know revisionism is the true path and is the truth, that's why they need to protect the myth of the holocaust because essentially anti-semitism and holocaust investigation are two separate things entirely. Why would knowing more about the holocaust automatically be a jew hatred thing? Because they know that if the truth about the holocaust came out it really would lead to anti-semitism...

The world would react in shock and horror that the greatest event of mass murder the world has ever seen, the most documented event in history, is not true.
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Re: Canada to "criminalize public denial of the Holocaust"?

Postby forasanerworld » 1 year 1 month ago (Wed Apr 13, 2022 9:48 am)

Who was it that said "Without the holocaust there wouldn't be an Israel", whoever it was, what that really meant was that in order to JUSTIFY the invasion and occupation of Palestine by Ze'ev Jabotinsky's "jewish state not a democratic state" was that the founding myth of the Holocaust has to be maintained, at all costs. That of course is NOT to say that a holocaust didnlt occur, I'm increasingly convinced that it did in the most litteral of ways, "a burned offering upon an altar" and they really didn't care who the offerings were.

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Re: Canada to "criminalize public denial of the Holocaust"?

Postby hermod » 1 year 1 month ago (Fri Apr 22, 2022 12:23 am)

borjastick wrote:essentially anti-semitism and holocaust investigation are two separate things entirely. Why would knowing more about the holocaust automatically be a jew hatred thing? Because they know that if the truth about the holocaust came out it really would lead to anti-semitism...

The world would react in shock and horror that the greatest event of mass murder the world has ever seen, the most documented event in history, is not true.


I disagree on that. If the Holocaust was admitted to be nothing but a big propaganda lie, most people wouldn't care about that admission and they would have an opinion on the Jewish question unchanged. Zionist organizations claim that Holocaust revisionism is a form of anti-Semitism because they wouldn't be able to silence Holocaust revisionism without labelling it as 'hate speech'. Democracies, most people believe, don't hinder free speech. So democracies must necessarily portray banned words and opinions as 'hate speech' in order to preserve the illusion of democratic free speech when banning those words and opinions. No democratic censorship possible without a prior hate-speech accusation.
"[Austen Chamberlain] has done western civilization a great service by refuting at least one of the slanders against the Germans
because a civilization which leaves war lies unchallenged in an atmosphere of hatred and does not produce courage in its leaders to refute them
is doomed.
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Deutsche Allgemeine Zeitung, on the public admission by Britain's Foreign Secretary that the WWI corpse-factory story was false, December 4, 1925

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Re: Canada to "criminalize public denial of the Holocaust"?

Postby borjastick » 1 year 1 month ago (Fri Apr 22, 2022 3:50 am)

hermod wrote:
borjastick wrote:essentially anti-semitism and holocaust investigation are two separate things entirely. Why would knowing more about the holocaust automatically be a jew hatred thing? Because they know that if the truth about the holocaust came out it really would lead to anti-semitism...

The world would react in shock and horror that the greatest event of mass murder the world has ever seen, the most documented event in history, is not true.


I disagree on that. If the Holocaust was admitted to be nothing but a big propaganda lie, most people wouldn't care about that admission and they would have an opinion on the Jewish question unchanged. Zionist organizations claim that Holocaust revisionism is a form of anti-Semitism because they wouldn't be able to silence Holocaust revisionism without labelling it as 'hate speech'. Democracies, most people believe, don't hinder free speech. So democracies must necessarily portray banned words and opinions as 'hate speech' in order to preserve the illusion of democratic free speech when banning those words and opinions. No democratic censorship possible without a prior hate-speech accusation.


So if I understand you correctly you think that if the world woke up tomorrow to the lies about the holocaust, and realised they had been conned, lied to, embezzled and controlled by a bunch of these shysters, there would be no adverse reaction to israel and those behind the scam?
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Re: Canada to "criminalize public denial of the Holocaust"?

Postby hermod » 1 year 1 month ago (Fri Apr 22, 2022 10:29 am)

borjastick wrote:So if I understand you correctly you think that if the world woke up tomorrow to the lies about the holocaust, and realised they had been conned, lied to, embezzled and controlled by a bunch of these shysters, there would be no adverse reaction to israel and those behind the scam?


Yes, that's what I think. Don't overestimate the sheeple. I would be prepared to bet that many Goyim would even congratulate the Jews for "that clever gambit" and similar despicable Jew-worshipping things.
"[Austen Chamberlain] has done western civilization a great service by refuting at least one of the slanders against the Germans
because a civilization which leaves war lies unchallenged in an atmosphere of hatred and does not produce courage in its leaders to refute them
is doomed.
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Deutsche Allgemeine Zeitung, on the public admission by Britain's Foreign Secretary that the WWI corpse-factory story was false, December 4, 1925

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Re: Canada to "criminalize public denial of the Holocaust"?

Postby Hektor » 1 year 1 month ago (Sat Apr 23, 2022 12:48 pm)

borjastick wrote:.....

So if I understand you correctly you think that if the world woke up tomorrow to the lies about the holocaust, and realised they had been conned, lied to, embezzled and controlled by a bunch of these shysters, there would be no adverse reaction to israel and those behind the scam?


I doubt that would follow immediately.
What I'd expect is that they'd loose their grip on public opinion in a bunch of countries... As well as those that have use the Holocaust as justification myth or argument for policy would loose ground as well. Ultimately Israel (the Republic) would have to tread more carefully... Peace in the Middle East could then be the result.

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Re: Canada to "criminalize public denial of the Holocaust"?

Postby AreckoningIscoming » 1 year 1 month ago (Sat Apr 23, 2022 2:07 pm)

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Coming to a US State near you? This short recent video clip details just what is entailed. Relevant links from the video:

https://www.jns.org/georgia-house-of-re ... -semitism/

https://www.holocaustremembrance.com/re ... tisemitism

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"Denying or downplaying the Holocaust" is officially a crime in Canada

Postby Lamprecht » 7 months 3 weeks ago (Thu Oct 13, 2022 7:38 pm)

So from what I can see, on 23 June 2022, "denying or downplaying the Holocaust" officially became a criminal offense in Canada, punishable by up to 2 years imprisonment. Publicly questioning the official "Holocaust" narrative is considered a form of "antisemitism" and sharing/reposting any material disputing the official narrative is a criminal offense unless the purpose of sharing the information was to point it out "for the purpose of removal."
The only defense is if the accused can prove the statements to be true.
Additionally, anything allegedly used to communicate the ideas will be forfeited over. That would be cellphone and computer.

The original bill was dropped for another one:
https://www.parl.ca/legisinfo/en/bill/44-1/c-250
C-250
44th Parliament, 1st session
November 22, 2021, to present
An Act to amend the Criminal Code (prohibition — promotion of antisemitism)
Bill type
Private Member’s Bill
Sponsor
Kevin Waugh (Saskatoon—Grasswood)
This bill was not proceeded with on September 20, 2022

Notes
On May 11, 2022, the Speaker of the House of Commons made a statement on the similarities between Bill C-250 and Bill C-19, and under the provisions of Standing Order 94(1), ordered that the status of Bill C-250 remain pending and that it not be called for its second hour of debate.
On September 20, 2022, the Speaker of the House of Commons ordered that the order for the second reading of Bill C-250 be discharged and that the bill be dropped from the Order Paper.

The other bill:
https://www.parl.ca/legisinfo/en/bill/44-1/c-19
C-19
44th Parliament, 1st session
November 22, 2021, to present
An Act to implement certain provisions of the budget tabled in Parliament on April 7, 2022 and other measures
Short title: Budget Implementation Act, 2022, No. 1
Bill type
House Government Bill
Sponsor
Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Finance
This bill received royal assent on June 23, 2022
Statutes of Canada 2022, c. 10

On the about tab, there's a legislative summary PDF: https://lop.parl.ca/staticfiles/PublicW ... -C19-E.pdf

From page 54-55 (59-60 of the PDF):
2.5.21 Division 21: Amendments to the Criminal Code

Clause 332 amends section 319 of the CC108 by adding a new offence that criminalizes the wilful promotion of antisemitism by condoning, denying, or downplaying the Holocaust, except in private conversation. It also adds a definition of the “Holocaust” to section 319(7), which is “the planned and deliberate state-sponsored persecution and annihilation of European Jewry by the Nazis and their collaborators from 1933 to 1945.” 109

Various federal, provincial, and territorial laws across Canada target hate promotion and crimes motivated by hatred, including human rights laws and the CC.110 Canadian courts have examined and largely supported the constitutionality of restricting the right to free expression found in section 2(b) of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms 111 in order to address the harms of hate promotion, so long as this right is minimally impaired, among other things.112 The Supreme Court of Canada has also examined what constitutes “hate” for the purposes of these laws, which among other things centres on the detestation or vilification of an identifiable group of individuals. 113

Recent discussions, forums, and studies have raised concerns about the spread of hatred targeting various groups in Canadian society, including antisemitism.114 Statistics Canada reported that hate crimes against the Jewish population in Canada rose in 2020 and it was the second most targeted group, after the Black population.115

Sections 318 to 320.1 of the CC set out the various criminal offences targeting hate propaganda and procedural considerations that apply when investigating or prosecuting them. These offences include a prohibition against advocating or promoting genocide (section 318(1)); a prohibition against communicating statements in a public place that incite hatred against any identifiable group where such incitement is likely to lead to a breach of the peace (section 319(1)); and a prohibition against communicating, except in private conversation, statements that wilfully promote hatred against an identifiable group (section 319(2)). Spreading hatred against persons based on their Jewish ancestry or religion is therefore covered by these sections, though they do not specifically target the promotion of Holocaust denial.

As with the three offences mentioned above, a person found guilty of committing the new offence in section 319(2.1) may be punished with a sentence of up to two years on indictment and up to two years less a day and/or a fine of up to $5,000 on summary conviction.116

Four defences are included with the new antisemitism offence. Three of these are identical to the first three existing defences that apply to section 319(2), whereas the fourth is specific to the new offence. The Supreme Court has noted that the inclusion of such defences helps protect the right of free expression when criminalizing hate speech and addressing the harms it causes.117 New section 319(3.1) adds that no person shall be convicted under 319(2.1) if they can establish that:

• “the statements communicated were true”;
• they expressed or attempted to establish in good faith “an opinion on a religious subject” or that is “based on a belief in a religious text”;
• “the statements were relevant to any subject of public interest, the discussion of which was for the public benefit, and if on reasonable grounds they believed them to be true”; or
• they intended, in good faith, to point out for the purpose of removal, “matters producing or tending to produce feelings of antisemitism toward Jews.”

Sections 319(4) to 319(6) are amended to add new section 319(2.1) into existing provisions concerning the seizure of items in the execution of search warrants; permitting judicial orders for the forfeiture of “anything” used in the commission of the offence; and, requiring that the consent of the attorney general be obtained to initiate proceedings for these offences.

From the Canadian government:
Criminal Code (R.S.C., 1985, c. C-46) (Act current to 2022-09-22 and last amended on 2022-06-23)
https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/act ... n-319.html

Public incitement of hatred

319 (1) Every one who, by communicating statements in any public place, incites hatred against any identifiable group where such incitement is likely to lead to a breach of the peace is guilty of

(a) an indictable offence and is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years; or

(b) an offence punishable on summary conviction.

Wilful promotion of hatred

(2) Every one who, by communicating statements, other than in private conversation, wilfully promotes hatred against any identifiable group is guilty of

(a) an indictable offence and is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years; or

(b) an offence punishable on summary conviction.

Wilful promotion of antisemitism

(2.1) Everyone who, by communicating statements, other than in private conversation, wilfully promotes antisemitism by condoning, denying or downplaying the Holocaust

(a) is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years; or

(b) is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction.

Defences

(3) No person shall be convicted of an offence under subsection (2)

(a) if he establishes that the statements communicated were true;

(b) if, in good faith, the person expressed or attempted to establish by an argument an opinion on a religious subject or an opinion based on a belief in a religious text;

(c) if the statements were relevant to any subject of public interest, the discussion of which was for the public benefit, and if on reasonable grounds he believed them to be true; or

(d) if, in good faith, he intended to point out, for the purpose of removal, matters producing or tending to produce feelings of hatred toward an identifiable group in Canada.

Defences — subsection (2.1)

(3.1) No person shall be convicted of an offence under subsection (2.1)

(a) if they establish that the statements communicated were true;

(b) if, in good faith, they expressed or attempted to establish by an argument an opinion on a religious subject or an opinion based on a belief in a religious text;

(c) if the statements were relevant to any subject of public interest, the discussion of which was for the public benefit, and if on reasonable grounds they believed them to be true; or

(d) if, in good faith, they intended to point out, for the purpose of removal, matters producing or tending to produce feelings of antisemitism toward Jews.


Forfeiture

(4) If a person is convicted of an offence under subsection (1), (2) or (2.1) or section 318, anything by means of or in relation to which the offence was committed, on such conviction, may, in addition to any other punishment imposed, be ordered by the presiding provincial court judge or judge to be forfeited to Her Majesty in right of the province in which that person is convicted, for disposal as the Attorney General may direct.

Exemption from seizure of communication facilities

(5) Subsections 199(6) and (7) apply, with any modifications that the circumstances require, to subsection (1), (2) or (2.1) or section 318.

Consent

(6) No proceeding for an offence under subsection (2) or (2.1) shall be instituted without the consent of the Attorney General.

Definitions

(7) In this section,

communicating includes communicating by telephone, broadcasting or other audible or visible means; (communiquer)

Holocaust means the planned and deliberate state-sponsored persecution and annihilation of European Jewry by the Nazis and their collaborators from 1933 to 1945; (Holocauste)

identifiable group has the same meaning as in section 318; (groupe identifiable)

public place includes any place to which the public have access as of right or by invitation, express or implied; (endroit public)

statements includes words spoken or written or recorded electronically or electro-magnetically or otherwise, and gestures, signs or other visible representations. (déclarations)

R.S., 1985, c. C-46, s. 319R.S., 1985, c. 27 (1st Supp.), s. 2032004, c. 14, s. 22022, c. 10, s. 332

I wasn't able to find any news articles announcing this change, so inform any Canadian friends you have about this new change to the criminal code.
"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments, and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance -- that principle is contempt prior to investigation."
— Herbert Spencer


NOTE: I am taking a leave of absence from revisionism to focus on other things. At this point, the ball is in their court to show the alleged massive pits full of human remains at the so-called "extermination camps." After 8 decades they still refuse to do this. I wonder why...

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Re: Canada to "criminalize public denial of the Holocaust"?

Postby hermod » 7 months 3 weeks ago (Thu Oct 13, 2022 9:00 pm)

The Canadians finally saved from public debate on the big taboo, i.e. from the suggestion that "there are two sides to the Holocaust story." :twisted:



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The first hard blow to the Holo-truth in Canada was the abrogation of the medieval law against "the spreading of false news" because that law had publicly exposed the biggest holes in the Holohoax hocus-pocus during the 1st Zündel Trial in 1985. That's why the press barons agreed not to report the 2nd Zündel Trial in 1988.

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"[Austen Chamberlain] has done western civilization a great service by refuting at least one of the slanders against the Germans
because a civilization which leaves war lies unchallenged in an atmosphere of hatred and does not produce courage in its leaders to refute them
is doomed.
"

Deutsche Allgemeine Zeitung, on the public admission by Britain's Foreign Secretary that the WWI corpse-factory story was false, December 4, 1925


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