the Third Reich Forum / banning deluxe

[Moderator]

To date, I have banned a total of 2 people; one for a mere week, to be reinstated next weekend.

There's a BBS called, strangely enough, the Third Reich Forum. Here is their list of banned individuals. Not only is it quite lengthy, but there are no Revisionists allowed; some debate.

see list and reasons for banning here:
http://www.thirdreichforum.com/phpBB2/v ... php?t=7219

Let's give John Ball and his Webmaster credit for providing a place for a real, open debate.

Regards,

Air-Photo Moderator

[Malle]

The Third Reich Forum has their problems, and we don't!

I think you will always have trouble with neo nazi types floating in. They use a search engine and then are disappointed that it isn't a "Hitler was right" or "revisionist" site.

Like a tavern that attracts rowdies that can't hold their booze, the site will continue to have to boot those who cant stop trying to turn this site into something its not, and hopefully never will be.

Jim

Answer:

With a name like Third Reich Forum what did you expect? Of course neo nazis will come here. Its like calling a bar a "gay bar" and then not expecting homosexuals to come in and drink.

[Dan]

That's true. Thoughtful people like Hebden and Max are never banned there. Here though, half my posts are deleted.

[Moderator]

Sorry Dan, but you're completely in error. I have not deleted '1/2 of your posts', and you cannot support that statement. I do recall deleting a couple of your posts for foul language however. I will do so in the future as well. Please note that you are still posting, eh.

And ofcourse, the 2 men booted here wouldn't be banned at that forum, they are not 'holocaust' Revisionists. Revisionists are not allowed to post at that forum, some debate that is.
Believers in the standard story can post here anytime, assuming they adhere to the guidelines, assuming they can handle scrutiny of their beliefs.

Both guys booted here were warned repeatedly and none of their posts were deleted because of the beliefs they espoused. Reasons for their banishment have been given. One of them will be permitted to post again as of Sunday next, he will have been booted for a whole week, wow.

Thanks, Moderator

[Scott]

Well, Hebden said he was also banned from the TRF. And I was not pleased when Sailor was banned. In the defense of the Third Reich Forum, most of the banned people richly deserved it. But they have over 3000 members, though not all post; this board only has 33. Only two bannings is not a good record so far.

Now, I don't personally like the idea that Holocaust Denial (whatever that is) is banned over there, but what else can be done with all the death threats and the very real attempts to shut a site down? Discussions are still possible.

In any case, banning is not a real solution as I see it; there must be vigorous discussion, and that unfortunately requires vigilant and time-consuming moderation to keep it under control and keep it from degenerating from mindless Is-Too/Is-Not.

Also, Roberto has asked to post here. I am aware that he has a history of not being able to behave, and I certainly understand the reasoning for his exclusion, nor do I really believe that he will be able to behave. But on second thought, it is best to avoid the appearance of unfairness and give him his chance anyway. Some grace for opposition posters may be needed to keep them posting on a Revisionist site. Letting the board die of boredom will just be down the same path as Codoh.

Just my two cents.

[Hannover]

Scott mentioned 'Roberto'; well unfortunately I still have a recent threatening email from him. He must have a lingering resentment from his lack of success at the old CODOH bbs, but that's his problem. His behavior just might be one reason why no one wants him around. As is typical of the Believers, they and their superstitions are their own worst enemies.
Take note again, the so called 'Third Reich Forum' does not permit Revisionists to argue their points. We permit Believers to come here and argue their beliefs. Check the posts and see.

We debate the 'holocau$t' as alleged, with guidelines for debate. Guidelines will definitely keep the trash out, and our limited topic will keep the numbers down. It's quality not quantity, and from what I can see there is no Believer alive who can come here and make a credible argument for the tales of the 'holocau$t'. Again, check the posts, Revisionist prevail in all logical, rational debates. Check the CODOH archives, check the older Forum at Air-Photo, it's no contest.

So, 2 guys banned, 1 for only a week. Big f_____g deal

Get over it lads.

- Hannover

[Sailor]

There was a debate between Mark Weber and Shermer: “Debating the Undebatable: The Weber-Shermer Clash” http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v16/v16n1p22_Weber.html
This debate actually was later continued between Rudolf, Shermer and Kramer (a German chemist very critical of Rudolf). Unfortunately the latter are all in German, they are:
http://vho.org/VffG/1999/1/RudGes1.html
http://vho.org/VffG/1999/2/Shermer173-175.html
http://vho.org/VffG/1999/2/Rudolf176-181.html

Based on these and my own observations I come to the conclusion that a debate between Exterminationists and Revisionists seems to be impossible.
This site being Revisionistic, the Exterminationist may be better off in posting on the TRF and under the protection of the guide lines there. There are also over 120 chat clubs on Yahoo that deal with the Holocaust. So, why not join one of those?

I personally would like to hear the points made by Exterminationists, but if it has to result in personal attacks and insults, forget it.

[Hannover]

Sailor said:

Based on these and my own observations I come to the conclusion that a debate between Exterminationists and Revisionists seems to be impossible.

I have yet to see a Revisionist say he would not debate a Believer, but I have seen that most Believers will not/cannot debate Revisionists. That is the real problem. In a debate where principles of science, logic, rational methodology, and forensics are applied, the Believers lose hands down. Let's face it, they ultimately know it. Their only options are:

- admit that the standard story is wrong

- refuse to debate and hope that Revisionism will go away

- continue with the same propaganda/lies which got them in this position...the 'once you lie, you must continue to lie' syndrome

- deny Revisionists access to mainstream media, which is known to be controlled by judeo-supremacists

- attack Revisionists with smear tactics which have nothing to do with the points Revisionists make

Persistence is the key, thoughts cannot be stopped.

Hannover

[Scott]

I certainly share concerns about threats made by e-mail; however, Hans has not made any threats that I know of. Is his banning permanent? I thought it was only to last for two-weeks.

[Moderator]

Scott:

Per your wishes and honest concern, I will re-activate him. I assume he is the man that was using 3 usernames (alpha,Max,Peptic). I will only re-activate one of those names, or he can register as 'Hans'.

If you have the inside track on him, please send me a note as to which of the 3 names he wants. If not, I'll assume the next 'Hans' to register will be him.

I will re-activate him Sunday evening with Hebden. At that point there will be zero 'bannees' at John Ball's Forum. The guidelines will continue to be observed.

Air-Photo Moderator

[Scott]

Thanks. Hans says that he has used Max and Alpha but not Peptic. That must be someone else. Wonder where Chuck is, btw.

[Dan]

Wonder where Chuck is, btw.

I warned him about drawing a line in the sand about Soap Libel, but he wouldn't listen, and now he's brooding in his cellar.

But he has much to offer, and I hope he is allowed to post here if he wants.

(Which makes me better than him, because he was gleefull that Michael Mills was banned from one of the crap Holohoax forums.)

[Moderator]

Certain info. indicates Peptic was the same guy, but who cares?...amnesty as of Sunday evening.

Anyway, we've all taken our shots in this thread. So let's post examples of their arguments in specific threads/topics and then we can discuss the points.

I'm locking this thread so we don't have too much fun.

Thanks, Moderator